TopCat Wrote:Speaking of Pulaski (I do consider Pulaski in the mountains.) I think they and Corbin have done a good job of still playing Mountain football but out of spread formations. Tricking everyone into thinking they are throwing it everywhere. Whoever takes the Bell job has been set up to fail IMO. Talent is down b/c of some decisions made downtown with lower levels and of course the movement of population from our area. Bell is 1 of the few County schools left that don't have a Middle school. That is a problem also!!! It is just a bad situation.
I do NOT consider Pulaski County a mountain team. I have been there many times, it is 'flat land', you can barely see a small hill there! That being said, in order for a school to have a successful football team, a coach has to have the support of everyone involved starting with the Administration ending with the water boy! Even Bear Bryant, could not have pulled off what he did without the whole school system behind him, it's just a given! :rockon:
Bulldogs4Ever Wrote:Have you guys ever coached football at Perry County Central? Not exactly the easiest place to win at football. Just ask Tom Larkey who is a Hall of Fame coach. Bert always had competitive teams there. Just lacking the players and support. Also when the guy took over at Madison Central, the program there was at rock bottom. He was playing teams like Trinity and St. X. Whose gonna beat those teams especially at a basketball school like Madison Central? NOBODY. Bell County could only be so lucky to get a coach like him. The guy is an excellent coach. Especially at the High School level. The shape Bell is in, they better hope they can get him. Im sure Haddix hopes and prays Browne don't go to Bell.
Will he top the 10 win season Bell County had this past season?:dontthink
Fly Like a Duck Wrote:Great post.
There are two misconceptions.
1) Spread teams can't run the ball.
-When you watch the Texas Techs, Hawai'i, Washington State's (even OK St when playing other powet 5 conferences), there is much validity to that. But, when you look at Baylor, Georgia Southern, TCU, and many othes; that theory is shot. Charleston Southern and New Mexico both have superior rushing attacks.
2) You can't throw the ball out of old school/under center attacks.
-Most choose NOT to do this. P.A.P is a given out of things like the flexbone, wishbone, wing t, etc., but all of those present the same 3 step, 5 step and screen (screen game is so underrated in these) can be every bit as effective and deadly out of these offenses.
-you can also go "spread" in these schemed from a Gun standpoint and/or even under center.
-Ever seen Wishbone and/or Wing-T teams align properly with their splits? Im talking 2 feet (center to guard), 3 feet (guard to tackle), 4 feet (tackle to te) and in some cases, 3, 4 and 5 feet? Then back down to 1ft or less across the board when called for? It can and should be done like that if taught properly. These offenses shouldn't mean "bunched up like sardines w/no passing game".
Old school/"conventional" (which is actually unconventional these days) can be every much of a legitimate passing game+spread concepts (in particular with alignment) just like "Spread" teams can be power rushing attacks.
People on both ends of those pectrums look through the world with blinders on.
wishbone is a thing of beauty when executed properly
insideinfo Wrote:That's just Douggie being clueless.
Why dont you list all his accomplishments?:lame:
pjdoug Wrote:wishbone is a thing of beauty when executed properly
It is & I'm not even talking about the Triple Option based bone. But, that is, also.
Here's a thought Bell County TG, RG, and the rest of u genius's in Bell Co. Hire from within and keep this DISASTER from getting any worse.
Why do you have to hire within? Why not hire a guy that has no ties to the area but just wants to come in and coach ball? Just curious why does it have to always be within or one of the Hilton clan? Sometimes change is needed from opposite ends. Whomever they hire will need support not heartache.
Nobody ever had a problem with Pulaski being a part of the "mountains" until they started winning and taking that illustrious and mythical king of the moubrains title prestige away from others.
[quote=RunItUpTheGut]Nobody ever had a problem with Pulaski being a part of the "mountains" until they started winning and taking that illustrious and mythical king of the moubrains title prestige away from others.
This is a Bell Co. topic. If you want to talk about Pulaski who then start a thread.
Because, if you have someone in house that you know can do just as good of a job as anyone you would get from the outside, not to mention the guy that you bring in will have no emotional or physical ties to those kids history or the county. Given those facts, they will prove themselves with this decision 3 years from now or sooner. You will see so will they. Good luck to ya
russellpride Wrote:Why do you have to hire within? Why not hire a guy that has no ties to the area but just wants to come in and coach ball? Just curious why does it have to always be within or one of the Hilton clan? Sometimes change is needed from opposite ends. Whomever they hire will need support not heartache.
I've always wondered this. The amount of coaches who are really good is extremely small. Chances are, you have a better shot of finding someone who can win by expanding your search to include others. Having a connection to kids is great, but anybody can have that if they put forth effort at it.
I know plenty of programs who are at least decently successful, or at the very least are at a peak in their history, and I can't think of many people who are on those staff's whom I would want to take over that program.
It's entirely possible that a good coach is currently in Bell County. It's entirely possible that there isn't one. Limiting your search to a specific group doesn't help anyone. At that goes for more than just football.
Finis Wrote:Hearing now that McPeek is the favorite. Shows how little our hiring committee knows. This guy was pretty much banished from the state. Here is some refreshers below. This whole fiasco continues to amaze me. Shows the ineptness that we continue to demonstrate as a school system. Why fire someone when you can't get someone worth a plug nickle to replace them??? Just shows they have no idea.
http://khsaa.org/110113-fairview-high-sc...ason-play/
http://www.dailyindependent.com/news/loc...e5ff4.html
http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/arc...65832.html
So if this is true not even going to give the guy a chance? Just throw him to wolves 1st year? No support? And just call everyone idiots? While I'm sure the things that happened at Fairview were regretful for McPeek. I'm from the Ashland area and watched his teams play. They were well coached, played hard, and genuinely loved one another. If this is true then I would say welcome a 2nd chance and see what the guy can do IMO. I understand the frustration but from reading on google he got a job coaching at a top program in the state of Georgia so he must know whats up.
http://www.wsaz.com/home/headlines/Repor...58961.html
offers little more insight into the Fairview situation. Personally while yes McPeek was the HC this man (Musick) was the one doing the dirty work. With this and the OEA report that came out most people in the Ashland area pretty much know who was behind most of it and it wasn't McPeek.
The Outsider Wrote:McPeek was able to bring in some talent to fariview, usually from out of state.
It'll be hard for him to fit in at Bell then, where they've never brought in a player from outside the district.
The Outsider Wrote:McPeek was able to bring in some talent to fariview, usually from out of state.
[quote=Redwolf]It'll be hard for him to fit in at Bell then, where they've never brought in a player from outside the district.[/QUOTE
Ok so like I said if true just everyone don't support him? the kids? Boycott it? No football?
McPeek was the head coach for the 2nd most corrupt program in KHSAA history. Plausible deniability is garbage.
russellpride Wrote:[quote=Redwolf]It'll be hard for him to fit in at Bell then, where they've never brought in a player from outside the district.[/QUOTE
Ok so like I said if true just everyone don't support him? the kids? Boycott it? No football?
Yes possibly. When considering the situation. The former Coach was let go for a whole lot less. This would be the worst move they could make. Don't care if he is Bear Bryant, you don't bring someone with that baggage.
I feel like McPeek has interviewed for every Kentucky opening under the sun. Whether or not he personally did anything illegal at Fairview, the baggage is enormous. I'm surprised he gets as many interviews as he does. Probably a good coach, but you're taking a huge risk. Would be no surprise to me for Bell administrators to take that risk.
Bell posters on here will be bashing anyone that is mentioned or hired, because it is not them being hired.
Wildcat18 Wrote:I feel like McPeek has interviewed for every Kentucky opening under the sun. Whether or not he personally did anything illegal at Fairview, the baggage is enormous. I'm surprised he gets as many interviews as he does. Probably a good coach, but you're taking a huge risk. Would be no surprise to me for Bell administrators to take that risk.
America is land of 2nd chances, why so many eastern kentucky people don't feel that way is what is enormous. He made some mistakes sure but he didn't do anything against the law to get him in trouble. Heck Bobby Petrino is back at Louisville and he was banging his young secretary and got caught wrecking a motorcycle at Arkansas. :please::please:
I've said it before Bell County will not get a good quality coach. They have 2 options 1) Hire someone on staff (theres really no quality coaches to choose from that are proven) and keep some players and assistants. 2) you have to hire someone from the outside and since no quality coach is just going to leave where they are to come to Bell you're going to end up with someone like Mcpeek. Sorry but thats just the way it is.
First comes Nate then comes Gary next is the investigation sad but true
anotherfootballnut Wrote:First comes Nate then comes Gary next is the investigation sad but true
That is the scary part.
russellpride Wrote:America is land of 2nd chances, why so many eastern kentucky people don't feel that way is what is enormous. He made some mistakes sure but he didn't do anything against the law to get him in trouble. Heck Bobby Petrino is back at Louisville and he was banging his young secretary and got caught wrecking a motorcycle at Arkansas. :please::please:
I wouldn't allow my children to play for Bobby Petrino. Morally, he doesn't do it the right way.
McPeek was at Fairview from 2008 to 2013. 14 games forfeited in 2012 and 4 forfeited in 2013. It wasn't his first rodeo at that time, there was some experience by being at the end of a 5 year tenure. There is very little one can say to convince me that he knew absolutely nothing about the ineligible player in question. Repeating a grade is something you know and recognize as a head coach, especially at a small 1A school. Of course, that's just my personal opinion and I'm not the AD at Bell County High School. With all that said, I'm sure he is a nice dude and a good coach. Just the baggage thing worries me.
Wildcat18 Wrote:I feel like McPeek has interviewed for every Kentucky opening under the sun. Whether or not he personally did anything illegal at Fairview, the baggage is enormous. I'm surprised he gets as many interviews as he does. Probably a good coach, but you're taking a huge risk. Would be no surprise to me for Bell administrators to take that risk.
anotherfootballnut Wrote:First comes Nate then comes Gary next is the investigation sad but true
Buddy you enjoy misery and grinding down on people. #getalife
So basically bell is still no closer to getting a new coach.
russellpride Wrote:Buddy you enjoy misery and grinding down on people. #getalife
My comments weren't made to be offensive toward anyone. The facts are there. Dot your I's and cross your T's and you have nothing to worry about. Even if you screw up, don't lie about it.