[TheRealThing]

Was he born out of this country?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/pol....html?_r=1

Read about it for yourself in the NY Times

[TheRealVille]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/pol....html?_r=1

Read about it for yourself in the NY Times

By all proof, McCain was not born in the US, and Obama was. Go figure.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

We can argue forever about Bucky's country of origin. We will never know for sure. However, we can certainly conclude from his birth, upbringing, the political beliefs of his family, the political beliefs of his mentors, his associates all through life, his socialist beliefs, and his adversion to traditional Judeo-Christian tenets upon which this country was founded that his beliefs are unlike and contrary to the beliefs of all of our past presidents as well as the founding fathers. He is different, he is dangerous, and due to the ignorance of the American electorate, he will get by with it.

I find it odd that so much time is spent by the media pushing the line that we don't really know Romney. The fact is that few know the real Bucky. And, those few are keeping their mouths shut.

[WideRight05]

Just curious what would happen if it was proven that he wasn't born in the states.
Im a conspiracy guy....

Could we imprison him, etc....

Probably not. If he hasn't been imprisoned for some of the other stuff he has done, he wouldn't be imprisoned for that.

"The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree...and think 25 to life would be appropriate." - Jay Leno

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Probably not. If he hasn't been imprisoned for some of the other stuff he has done, he wouldn't be imprisoned for that.

"The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree...and think 25 to life would be appropriate." - Jay Leno

If the Buckaroo were in prison, he would be right at home with one of his main constituencies.

[Granny Bear]

If the Buckaroo were in prison, he would be right at home with one of his main constituencies.

To whom are you referring?

[TheRealThing]

By all proof, McCain was not born in the US, and Obama was. Go figure.

QUOTE---
"Mr. McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a Navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that Mr. McCain meets the requirement and note that the question was researched for his first presidential bid in 1999 and reviewed again this time around."

I'd think you might be joking if I didn't know how much you'd like to come up with some line of rationale to make Obama look better than he actually is. And in this case, trying to put Obama, who arguably, and going by his actions and statements in support of the Muslim world, seems much more concerned about what the arab world thinks of his presidency than what Americans may think. But, making the argument that Obama is somehow on comparable patriotic footing with a decorated and revered war hero in the person of John McCain is laughable. Obama's father even listed Kenya as his birthplace on the birth certificate, how are they getting around that one?

I'd like to see a social roster of the two's friends. Let's see, for Obama we'd have folks like Bill Ayers, Van Jones, the Reverand Jeremiah Wright, George Soros etc. etc. (but, why belabor the point with an endless list of notable insurrectionists, right?) Then we have John McCain. Who does he hang with? His family, other senators, governors and equally suspicious types no doubt.

There is a great gulf fixed between the origins and underlying motivations of those two men. Seriously, how many federal buildings and marxist meetiings would you suppose that McCain and his friends have ever been involved with? This is the farthest stretch to try to make Obama look good yet, LOL.

[TheRealVille]

QUOTE---
"Mr. McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a Navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that Mr. McCain meets the requirement and note that the question was researched for his first presidential bid in 1999 and reviewed again this time around."

I'd think you might be joking if I didn't know how much you'd like to come up with some line of rationale to make Obama look better than he actually is. And in this case, trying to put Obama, who arguably, and going by his actions and statements in support of the Muslim world, seems much more concerned about what the arab world thinks of his presidency than what Americans may think. But, making the argument that Obama is somehow on comparable patriotic footing with a decorated and revered war hero in the person of John McCain is laughable. Obama's father even listed Kenya as his birthplace on the birth certificate, how are they getting around that one?

I'd like to see a social roster of the two's friends. Let's see, for Obama we'd have folks like Bill Ayers, Van Jones, the Reverand Jeremiah Wright, George Soros etc. etc. (but, why belabor the point with an endless list of notable insurrectionists, right?) Then we have John McCain. Who does he hang with? His family, other senators, governors and equally suspicious types no doubt.

There is a great gulf fixed between the origins and underlying motivations of those two men. Seriously, how many federal buildings and marxist meetiings would you suppose that McCain and his friends have ever been involved with? This is the farthest stretch to try to make Obama look good yet, LOL.

Only someone with your tiny brain could conceive that as what I said. You brought up the question as to whether Obama was born in the US. He has a long form birth certificate from Hawaii. He is as much an American citizen as McCain, who wasn't born in the US. You are comparable to the woman that McCain jerked the microphone from.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

To whom are you referring?

To Bucky Kardashian, resident of the White House, of course.

He gets enormous fame for accomplishing nothing. Thus, he must be a Kardashian.

[Granny Bear]

^^
Ohh, I KNOW that one; I was asking about the constituent in prison...
sorry

[TheRealThing]

Only someone with your tiny brain could conceive that as what I said. You brought up the question as to whether Obama was born in the US. He has a long form birth certificate from Hawaii. He is as much an American citizen as McCain, who wasn't born in the US. You are comparable to the woman that McCain jerked the microphone from.

No, I said others have issues with the validity of the certificate and I posted one of dozens of links I could have referenced to support that point. I even bolded the words many others so that folks like you who tend to drift off point, could maybe keep up. Maybe you wouldn't care to bring that jumbo cranial cavity to bear on the substance of my post. If Obama senior was born in Kenya as the document the Obama administration released as his original birth certificate indicates, how is it then that little Obama II considered a "natural born citizen?" Is that not a reasonable question to ask considering your willingness to call into question John McCain's citizenship? At least he was vetted by congress.

[TheRealVille]

No, I said others have issues with the validity of the certificate and I posted one of dozens of links I could have referenced to support that point. I even bolded the words many others so that folks like you who tend to drift off point, could maybe keep up. Maybe you wouldn't care to bring that jumbo cranial cavity to bear on the substance of my post. If Obama senior was born in Kenya as the document the Obama administration released as his original birth certificate indicates, how is it then that little Obama II considered a "natural born citizen?" Is that not a reasonable question to ask considering your willingness to call into question John McCain's citizenship? At least he was vetted by congress.

His mother.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

His mother.

Are you referring to the hippie with the Communist-Socialist beliefs that she so ably passed along to her son?

[TheRealThing]

His mother.

LOL, I don't think that's quite it. I would have thought the article about John McCain might have tipped you off, oh well. You are a naturally born US Citizen if; one, you are born to two naturally born citizens who happen to be out of country, as in the instance of John McCain's birth or, if the person in question has been born on American soil, in one of the 50 states, (57 if you're from the same planet as Obama). Hence the dilemma for Obama, if he was born outside the US even though his Mom, (anybody seen her lately?) is in fact a US citizen, because as I mentioned, both parents must be naturally born, if little Barack the 2nd was born off shore somewhere for him to be granted natural born status. The country of his father's birth as listed on the birth certificate, is Kenya. Therefore, both of Barack's parents are not naturally born US citizens.

[TheRealVille]

LOL, I don't think that's quite it. I would have thought the article about John McCain might have tipped you off, oh well. You are a naturally born US Citizen if; one, you are born to two naturally born citizens who happen to be out of country, as in the instance of John McCain's birth or, if the person in question has been born on American soil, in one of the 50 states, (57 if you're from the same planet as Obama). Hence the dilemma for Obama, if he was born outside the US even though his Mom, (anybody seen her lately?) is in fact a US citizen, because as I mentioned, both parents must be naturally born, if little Barack the 2nd was born off shore somewhere for him to be granted natural born status. The country of his father's birth as listed on the birth certificate, is Kenya. Therefore, both of Barack's parents are not naturally born US citizens.

It's a moot point. He has a birth certificate from a state in the US. If his mom is an american citizen, and he was born in the US, he is an American. I thought you were above this. You lower my respect for you with each post nowadays, TRT.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

^^
Ohh, I KNOW that one; I was asking about the constituent in prison...
sorry

I believe that might be one of his various and sundry half brothers or semi uncles.

[TheRealThing]

It's a moot point. He has a birth certificate from a state in the US. If his mom is an american citizen, and he was born in the US, he is an American. I thought you were above this. You lower my respect for you with each post nowadays, TRT.

Whatever you say. The questions raised are from sources with way more horsepower than you've got RV. I don't trust him because he distorts, manipulates and on several occassions has lied outright. He can't even get his story straight between the two books he has written about his own life experiences which are full of contradictions.

If he was born in the US it wouldn't have made any difference if his Mom was American or not, so your post in which you state his mother gives him natural born status is incorrect. The challenge is that his grandmother says he was born in Kenya. No doubt she's part of the vast right wing conspiracy too.