[PC_You_Know]

I think we should keep the 16 as well...I was saying have the coaches vote on the top 8 teams and seed from that, then use a blind draw with the other 8 teams to get your match ups.

Oh yeah that sounds really fair, coaches can't be biased at all can they? Coach gets fired from school A and now works for school B. You think he's gonna vote school B ahead of his no matter how good they are? I think not.

[Benchwarmer]

I agree...I think it's kind of ridiculous the way the sweet 16 is set up. Very rarely do the two best teams in the state tournament actually meet.

If not Lexcath upsetting Scott Co in the region tournament last year, Sc and Holmes would've met in the second round after being the top 2 teams in the state all year.

This is why the state tournament should be seeded. JMO though.

How about we don't let teams from the 13th, 14th, and 15th play in the Sweet 16. Would that satisfy you?

[kywldcat01]

Oh yeah that sounds really fair, coaches can't be biased at all can they? Coach gets fired from school A and now works for school B. You think he's gonna vote school B ahead of his no matter how good they are? I think not.

You take a vote from EVERY COACH in the state and then use the media as well since they're who comes up with the AP poll.

Thus, you have a wide variety of opinions to truly get the seeds right. How is that not fair?

With that many people voting, you're bound to get the teams in the right places.

[kywldcat01]

How about we don't let teams from the 13th, 14th, and 15th play in the Sweet 16. Would that satisfy you?

What the heck does this have to do with my post? Nobody ever said that those teams shouldn't be included. I think you're simply trying to start something with an immature and childish post like the one above.

A 15th or 16th region team has made it to the second round the past 3 years I believe and the 13th won a state championship in 05 with South Laurel.

[NYY10]

Id say too much work is involved in that.

They'll be keeping it like it is for a while

[kywldcat01]

Id say too much work is involved in that.

They'll be keeping it like it is for a while

I agree...I just think it'd be nice to see a different method used than the blind draw.

[NYY10]

I agree...I just think it'd be nice to see a different method used than the blind draw.

oh yea. I'd love to see them do it with Seeds. but I say it would put too much work on them, and they dont want that lol.

[MVP2]

I agree...I just think it'd be nice to see a different method used than the blind draw.

I kinda like the way it is, I think its fair everyone chance are the same just the luck of a draw. I also see your point though, seeding and having the best two teams on different sides but aye thats why the games are played so even with that method still no guarantee that the best two would still play each other for the title. I think its fine the way it is.

[kywldcat01]

oh yea. I'd love to see them do it with Seeds. but I say it would put too much work on them, and they dont want that lol.

Yea the KHSAA isn't going to do any extra work if they don't have to.

[Benchwarmer]

What the heck does this have to do with my post? Nobody ever said that those teams shouldn't be included. I think you're simply trying to start something with an immature and childish post like the one above.

A 15th or 16th region team has made it to the second round the past 3 years I believe and the 13th won a state championship in 05 with South Laurel.

Childish and immature you are.

[letthebighogroot]

Here it is Valley drum beaters........A cake walk to Saturday, maybe with this easy draw some of you can lose that HUGE chip on your shoulder and finally be able to actually validate yourselves.... JMO.

[Benchwarmer]

Who brought up seeding the sweet 16 this is about stupid. Why seed the Sweet 16 when District and Regional play is not even seeded?

[More Cowbell]

Here it is Valley drum beaters........A cake walk to Saturday, maybe with this easy draw some of you can lose that HUGE chip on your shoulder and finally be able to actually validate yourselves.... JMO.

Disagree. It's the Sweet Sixteen, there is no such thing as a cake walk. If SV makes it, they could face a pretty good Paducah Tilghman team in the first round.

Then, if they get past the first game, a potential matchup looms with possibly McCreary Central or West Jessamine in the second round, either of which would be a tough game. So if SV makes it to Saturday, they will have to earn it.

Now, did the 15th get a better draw than, say, getting the 7th, 9th, or 11th in the first round ? Of course they did. I think any team would prefer to avoid Holmes, Scott Co., or whoever emerges from the 7th as long as possible. But to call SV's draw a cakewalk is unfair to the other regions in that part of the bracket.

[Lleyton21]

Disagree. It's the Sweet Sixteen, there is no such thing as a cake walk. If SV makes it, they could face a pretty good Paducah Tilghman team in the first round.

Then, if they get past the first game, a potential matchup looms with possibly McCreary Central or West Jessamine in the second round, either of which would be a tough game. So if SV makes it to Saturday, they will have to earn it.

Now, did the 15th get a better draw than, say, getting the 7th, 9th, or 11th in the first round ? Of course they did. I think any team would prefer to avoid Holmes, Scott Co., or whoever emerges from the 7th as long as possible. But to call SV's draw a cakewalk is unfair to the other regions in that part of the bracket.

well said:Thumbs:

[jalfzou]

Re: "It's the Sweet Sixteen, there is no such thing as a cake walk."

I agree 100 percent. Everyone thought the top bracket last year was nowhere near the lower bracket, then L'ville Central comes out of nowhere and darn near wins the whole enchilada. What are the odds of Region 2 (Christian County) vs. Region 9 (Holmes) in the first round for a second year in a row, with the winner probably facing the winner of Scott County vs. LexCath yet another year? Probably 200-1. (CC and Holmes might be two of the best four teams in the state.) When they draw the seeds, they ought to do something to avoid what I just described. The KHSAA ought to work harder to develop a better system to ensure different districts square off every year. I'd rather see that than seeding the top 8 teams in the Sweet 16.

[kywldcat01]

Who brought up seeding the sweet 16 this is about stupid. Why seed the Sweet 16 when District and Regional play is not even seeded?

Umm actually districts are seeded...that's why you play everyone in your district.

Region isn't technically seeded but every district champ faces a district runner up, so in a way it's seeded on a 1-2 basis.

Obviously some districts have the two best teams in the region in their district so district champs get "punished" with a tough first round opponent in the region tourney.

[Aslan]

Some districts still draw.

[Benchwarmer]

Umm actually districts are seeded...that's why you play everyone in your district.

Region isn't technically seeded but every district champ faces a district runner up, so in a way it's seeded on a 1-2 basis.

Obviously some districts have the two best teams in the region in their district so district champs get "punished" with a tough first round opponent in the region tourney.

Umm district teams are not seeded unless voted for by district teams. Several District draw which could lead to a weak region if the two best teams draw each other

[NYY10]

Anybody Know where a Bracket could be found at.
or
The Dates and Times of the each game?

[monster_energy]

good draw for valley imo

[mahb7878]

WOW!!! Top Bracket is loaded... As a Holmes fan I am a little disappointed, but oh well, it was the same track they had to take last year.... Lets get out of the 9th first and then all you have to do is win 4, regardless who you play.

[Lleyton21]

Re: "It's the Sweet Sixteen, there is no such thing as a cake walk."

I agree 100 percent. Everyone thought the top bracket last year was nowhere near the lower bracket, then L'ville Central comes out of nowhere and darn near wins the whole enchilada. What are the odds of Region 2 (Christian County) vs. Region 9 (Holmes) in the first round for a second year in a row, with the winner probably facing the winner of Scott County vs. LexCath yet another year? Probably 200-1. (CC and Holmes might be two of the best four teams in the state.) When they draw the seeds, they ought to do something to avoid what I just described. The KHSAA ought to work harder to develop a better system to ensure different districts square off every year. I'd rather see that than seeding the top 8 teams in the Sweet 16.

so your idea is this:
for example, if region 1 plays region 2 this year, then next year they can play any region EXCEPT each other? this would be possible, but tricky to make work since every region will have a condition on who they can draw...

[letthebighogroot]

Disagree. It's the Sweet Sixteen, there is no such thing as a cake walk. If SV makes it, they could face a pretty good Paducah Tilghman team in the first round.

Then, if they get past the first game, a potential matchup looms with possibly McCreary Central or West Jessamine in the second round, either of which would be a tough game. So if SV makes it to Saturday, they will have to earn it.

Now, did the 15th get a better draw than, say, getting the 7th, 9th, or 11th in the first round ? Of course they did. I think any team would prefer to avoid Holmes, Scott Co., or whoever emerges from the 7th as long as possible. But to call SV's draw a cakewalk is unfair to the other regions in that part of the bracket.

Like I said, hopefully you and others will be able to lose the chip. As far as being fair to the other Regions..... What exactly does being fair and the truth have in common ? Of the teams you named only one is currently ranked, and that is near the bottom. Would all be a major step up opposed to the typical Valley opponent ? No doubt. So yeah, they will have to show up and play, but they got probably the best draw a decent team from this area has gotten in a long, long time. I'll call it a cakewalk, you are free to call it whatever you wish.:Thumbs:

[5timechamp]

I agree that is should be seeded. The problem is without every team playing each other you either have to go by polls which is a poor choice (IMO). The other option would be to make a committee of people made up from around the state that obviously keep up with Ky basketball and let them seed it. You still would have human error and politics but so does the NCAA. Teams would still have to compete for the district and regions and then seed the final 16 teams left standing. Could we all agree that the #1 seed this year would be the 7th region champ.

[jalfzou]

so your idea is this:
for example, if region 1 plays region 2 this year, then next year they can play any region EXCEPT each other? this would be possible, but tricky to make work since every region will have a condition on who they can draw...

I'm sure there are a few ways one could tinker with the draw to eliminate same-region match-ups in the first round of the Sweet 16. If 1 played 2 in the first round in '09, then there would be a redraw for one region if it's 1 vs. 2 in '10. Or, if this happened two years in a row, you could put one region in one bracket and the other in the other bracket and redraw for both. But this likely will never happen because it would open up the KHSAA to accusations of stacking the deck for Team A or Team B. Of course, the problem only rears its head if Christian County and Holmes both win their regions two years in a row. That's certainly not a given when you look at how Holmes had to claw its way out of the 9th last year just to get to Rupp. Holmes' win over Boone County in the finals of the 9th was every bit the nailbiter as the championship tilt vs. L'ville Central.

[More Cowbell]

Like I said, hopefully you and others will be able to lose the chip. As far as being fair to the other Regions..... What exactly does being fair and the truth have in common ? Of the teams you named only one is currently ranked, and that is near the bottom. Would all be a major step up opposed to the typical Valley opponent ? No doubt. So yeah, they will have to show up and play, but they got probably the best draw a decent team from this area has gotten in a long, long time. I'll call it a cakewalk, you are free to call it whatever you wish.:Thumbs:

Fine, I'll word it a different way. To say Valley got a cakewalk would be UNTRUE. Every team down at the Sweet Sixteen will be a strong opponent, or else they wouldn't be there. There won't be a team in the tournament that you can have a bad game against and still expect to win. That's what I would consider a cakewalk, and Valley will certainly find no pushovers down at Rupp.

I will agree with one part of your statement, it's definitely the best draw the 15th region has gotten in a long time. But I would consider SV to be somewhat better than "decent", as you say.

And as for the chip on my shoulder, sorry, you must have me confused with someone else. Why would I or any other Valley fan have a chip on their shoulder? After all, our team just gone done winning their second straight All-A state title... :Thumbs:

[dortonite]

Fine, I'll word it a different way. To say Valley got a cakewalk would be UNTRUE. Every team down at the Sweet Sixteen will be a strong opponent, or else they wouldn't be there. There won't be a team in the tournament that you can have a bad game against and still expect to win. That's what I would consider a cakewalk, and Valley will certainly find no pushovers down at Rupp.

I will agree with one part of your statement, it's definitely the best draw the 15th region has gotten in a long time. But I would consider SV to be somewhat better than "decent", as you say.

And as for the chip on my shoulder, sorry, you must have me confused with someone else. Why would I or any other Valley fan have a chip on their shoulder? After all, our team just gone done winning their second straight All-A state title... :Thumbs:

Very good post. Someone else said on another thread:Championships aren't made in December! They sure are made in January and two in a row! Go Wildcats! Go Elisha!

I wonder how many steals Elisha Justice, Mr Basketball candidate from Shelby Valley got today in his quest for the state record for steals by a player in a career?

[NYY10]

Fine, I'll word it a different way. To say Valley got a cakewalk would be UNTRUE. Every team down at the Sweet Sixteen will be a strong opponent, or else they wouldn't be there. There won't be a team in the tournament that you can have a bad game against and still expect to win. That's what I would consider a cakewalk, and Valley will certainly find no pushovers down at Rupp.

I will agree with one part of your statement, it's definitely the best draw the 15th region has gotten in a long time. But I would consider SV to be somewhat better than "decent", as you say.

And as for the chip on my shoulder, sorry, you must have me confused with someone else. Why would I or any other Valley fan have a chip on their shoulder? After all, our team just gone done winning their second straight All-A state title... :Thumbs:

great post!!:Thumbs:

[Bleeding Blue]

It looks to me like Valley could possibly be bringing another hardware back to the mountains this season..If they are at the top of their game and firing on all cylinders..We will be seeing them in the finals..Or atleast we hope so..That would be the first time a team has ever done that..And Valley has that potential.

[Scotty doesn't know]

Fine, I'll word it a different way. To say Valley got a cakewalk would be UNTRUE. Every team down at the Sweet Sixteen will be a strong opponent, or else they wouldn't be there. There won't be a team in the tournament that you can have a bad game against and still expect to win. That's what I would consider a cakewalk, and Valley will certainly find no pushovers down at Rupp.

I will agree with one part of your statement, it's definitely the best draw the 15th region has gotten in a long time. But I would consider SV to be somewhat better than "decent", as you say.

And as for the chip on my shoulder, sorry, you must have me confused with someone else. Why would I or any other Valley fan have a chip on their shoulder? After all, our team just gone done winning their second straight All-A state title... :Thumbs:

Thank you for setting the record straight. Im freakin tired of these kind of mountain basketball fans always calling us out for being proud to have our team as a state contender. No it is not a cakewalk when you can be knocked out for having one bad game.