Pikeville's Ben Howard Resigns

Xerxes · 12-16-2009, 02:43 PM

the watcher Wrote:We tried that with Jackson and Copley and we know how that turned out...Not hating on them, both were good men, they just didn't know how Pikeville works. So I say they keep the HC job for someone who remembers what Pikeville is about

We wish you the best.

NEXT · 12-16-2009, 02:46 PM

the watcher Wrote:We tried that with Jackson and Copley and we know how that turned out...Not hating on them, both were good men, they just didn't know how Pikeville works. So I say they keep the HC job for someone who remembers what Pikeville is about

From an outsider looking in, Pikeville needs someone to come in who doesn't are about names of players or whose daddy and mommy are unhappy......they need a football coach.

15thregionclass · 12-16-2009, 02:54 PM

NEXT Wrote:From an outsider looking in, Pikeville needs someone to come in who doesn't are about names of players or whose daddy and mommy are unhappy......they need a football coach.

As soon as a coach does this (above) the parents go to Adm. and complain then they get rid of the coach. You are right though, that is what the program needs. Today though, the program being without a coach (and the school without a teacher) is on the shoulders of Ben Howard 100%.

BoondockSaint · 12-16-2009, 02:57 PM

the watcher Wrote:We tried that with Jackson and Copley and we know how that turned out...Not hating on them, both were good men, they just didn't know how Pikeville works. So I say they keep the HC job for someone who remembers what Pikeville is about

Not saying you're wrong, but I think Pikeville needs someone who could care less what happened 20 years ago & build the program into something these kids can be proud of now.

They need a football coach who knows the game, and who is given a realistic chance to be successful. By realistic, I mean by not being compared to Hillard Howard or having his teams compared to any of Pikeville's past teams. They need the kind of guy who can get the most out of what he has to work with, and thats all that should be expected out of any coach. Pikeville isn't going to have the same kinds of players it had 20 years ago, nor is any other school. Kids just aren't made that way nowadays.

Back to Ben, I wish him the best of luck.

***Westside*** · 12-16-2009, 02:57 PM

I think that it is sad that some people seem to be happy with these developments. I was a freshman in 1987 playing up US 23 a few miles when Pikeville's reign began as state champs. Pikeville beat us by over 60 points one year, but I always rooted for them in the state championship. Pikeville football brought a positive image to Eastern Kentucky nationally which is very rare. I don't understand some people enjoying other people's heart ache. Ben is very young and has his whole life ahead of him. I don't know why he resigned and don't care. That is his business not mine. I wish Ben and Pikeville much luck and success in the future.

the watcher · 12-16-2009, 03:05 PM

NEXT Wrote:From an outsider looking in, Pikeville needs someone to come in who doesn't are about names of players or whose daddy and mommy are unhappy......they need a football coach.

I very much agree with this statement, mommies and daddies with big pockets need to keep there mouth shut if there kid dosent get to play or take them some where else to play, Pikeville dosen't need parents telling the coach who to play or how to coach, that is a big factor ruining the program as well, and I know a few of those particular parents will be reading this thread shortly, so with that being said,
PLEASE, for the love of god, if you care about the program in the slightest bit and your kid dosent get to play beause you've babied them there whole life and told them how good they are when they really arent good,PLEASE don't complain to the coaches or administration about it, write about it in a journal or scream it out loud at your house for all I care but don't drag the program down because your kid sucks

Oh, and btw I heard a different story as to why Ben has resigned, but im not about to post it on here.... If you wish to know what i've heard PM me, and let me say before you do, I have absolutley zero proof that this be the truth behind it, but it makes alot more sense as to why he resigned, and for those outside and inside of the program who will speculate on what it could be, it's nothing horrible or anything out of this world, so please don't start crazy rumors about it, Ben is a good man like his Father

HD28 · 12-16-2009, 03:16 PM

the watcher Wrote:I very much agree with this statement, mommies and daddies with big pockets need to keep there mouth shut if there kid dosent get to play or take them some where else to play, Pikeville dosen't need parents telling the coach who to play or how to coach, that is a big factor ruining the program as well, and I know a few of those particular parents will be reading this thread shortly, so with that being said,
PLEASE, for the love of god, if you care about the program in the slightest bit and your kid dosent get to play beause you've babied them there whole life and told them how good they are when they really arent good,PLEASE don't complain to the coaches or administration about it, write about it in a journal or scream it out loud at your house for all I care but don't drag the program down because your kid sucks

Oh, and btw I heard a different story as to why Ben has resigned, but im not about to post it on here.... If you wish to know what i've heard PM me, and let me say before you do, I have absolutley zero proof that this be the truth behind it, but it makes alot more sense as to why he resigned, and for those outside and inside of the program who will speculate on what it could be, it's nothing horrible or anything out of this world, so please don't start crazy rumors about it, Ben is a good man like his Father

Admittedly, I do not know much about the Pikeville football situation. However, this post is very impressive in the fact that it could possibly be the longest run-on sentence I have ever seen!:Thumbs:

easyM · 12-16-2009, 03:34 PM

Where is Comfort Eagle when you need him?

the watcher · 12-16-2009, 03:52 PM

HD28 Wrote:Admittedly, I do not know much about the Pikeville football situation. However, this post is very impressive in the fact that it could possibly be the longest run-on sentence I have ever seen!:Thumbs:

:thanks: lol Sorry about that though, I didn't know my english skills were being critiqued

15thregionclass · 12-16-2009, 04:10 PM

the watcher Wrote::thanks: lol Sorry about that though, I didn't know my english skills were being critiqued

You will have to admit that was funny though.

clueless · 12-16-2009, 04:15 PM

I would like to congratulate Ben on his decision to leave the Pikeville program. This just proves that he is smart enough to know that he deserves a better situation than what he has endured this year.....and to realize that the current administration and leaders of the community are not willing to stand behind his decisions nor to support his ideas to put the program back on top. Raising the grading scale to ensure that certain players are ineligible so that someone else's child can have a position is just an example of what has went on. As far as hiring a coach that graduated from PHS and that knows the history......that's kind of funny. People seem to forget that a lot of those young men that played for Hillard during Pikeville's "glory days" were not even from Pikeville. It just seems like a lot of these posts are "clannish". Hillard wasn't Pikeville born and raised..... He just knew what it took to win and he also knew how to treat people. One more thing....he was not lazy as one of your most likely candidates has been labeled.

Phoenix Panther · (This post was last modified: 12-16-2009, 07:36 PM by EKUAlum05.)

Watcher:

This program doesn't have a problem with parents, players or kids that don't get to play.

or because your kid sucks...

gotcha2 · 12-16-2009, 04:22 PM

NEXT Wrote:From an outsider looking in, Pikeville needs someone to come in who doesn't care about names of players or whose daddy and mommy are unhappy......they need a football coach.

I think you may be right. A coach who knows the game of football and knows what he is doing. Not someone expected to follow the lead of the "boosters". "Boosters" are there to support the team and the coach and not to run the team and the coach. We hear remarks all the time about "little Johnny" looking in the stands for his parents instead of looking to the coach for instruction. But sometimes we see coaches looking/listening to the parents/boosters about playing time, positions etc...

**bac2369** · 12-16-2009, 09:16 PM

From seeing some of the replys in this thread and some of the opinions and what not. I really dont see too many coach who will take this job if there going to run them out after one year of play.There is talent coming up and Ben Howard was the right guy for it. But apparantly Pikeville is like Notre Dame in College Football ( Except Notre Dame is a college Team) they just will not except a good team or good season. It has to be 4th round or better. If something doesnt straight up over there then there football program may be in jeopardy.

**ComfortEagle** · 12-16-2009, 10:09 PM

bac2369 Wrote:From seeing some of the replys in this thread and some of the opinions and what not. I really dont see too many coach who will take this job if there going to run them out after one year of play.There is talent coming up and Ben Howard was the right guy for it. But apparantly Pikeville is like Notre Dame in College Football ( Except Notre Dame is a college Team) they just will not except a good team or good season. It has to be 4th round or better. If something doesnt straight up over there then there football program may be in jeopardy.

If I am off-base then someone correct me, but I don't think Howard leaving Pikeville had anything to do with the record on the field.

~~Mr.Kimball~~ · 12-16-2009, 10:19 PM

HD28 Wrote:Admittedly, I do not know much about the Pikeville football situation. However, this post is very impressive in the fact that it could possibly be the longest run-on sentence I have ever seen!:Thumbs:

Since when has never not knowing anything about something ever stopped you from rambling on about it?:biggrin:

finepoint · 12-16-2009, 10:38 PM

clueless Wrote:I would like to congratulate Ben on his decision to leave the Pikeville program. This just proves that he is smart enough to know that he deserves a better situation than what he has endured this year.....and to realize that the current administration and leaders of the community are not willing to stand behind his decisions nor to support his ideas to put the program back on top. Raising the grading scale to ensure that certain players are ineligible so that someone else's child can have a position is just an example of what has went on. As far as hiring a coach that graduated from PHS and that knows the history......that's kind of funny. People seem to forget that a lot of those young men that played for Hillard during Pikeville's "glory days" were not even from Pikeville. It just seems like a lot of these posts are "clannish". Hillard wasn't Pikeville born and raised..... He just knew what it took to win and he also knew how to treat people. One more thing....he was not lazy as one of your most likely candidates has been labeled.

your name says it all. COngratulating him for the decisions he made is one of the most terrible things I have ever heard. I am going to assume you don't have any clue what went on, and that you think he was let go because of his coaching. Yes, the decisions he made led to him being let go, but that is another story. Good luck with your future Ben.

**Panther Thunder** · 12-16-2009, 10:59 PM

bac2369 Wrote:From seeing some of the replys in this thread and some of the opinions and what not. I really dont see too many coach who will take this job if there going to run them out after one year of play.There is talent coming up and Ben Howard was the right guy for it. But apparantly Pikeville is like Notre Dame in College Football ( Except Notre Dame is a college Team) they just will not except a good team or good season. It has to be 4th round or better. If something doesnt straight up over there then there football program may be in jeopardy.

Go back to figuring out how to Hazard can keep doing less with more. You have no clue what is going on.

**Panther Thunder** · 12-16-2009, 11:01 PM

finepoint Wrote:your name says it all. COngratulating him for the decisions he made is one of the most terrible things I have ever heard. I am going to assume you don't have any clue what went on, and that you think he was let go because of his coaching. Yes, the decisions he made led to him being let go, but that is another story. Good luck with your future Ben.

:Thumbs:

Hilbily · 12-16-2009, 11:14 PM

Man i don't log on for a couple weeks and look! I wonder whom is in charge at Pikeville? This many new faces in such a short period of time is absolutley intolerable!

previouspanther64 · 12-16-2009, 11:17 PM

Musketeer Wrote:Keeping or replacing a coach should not be based on one game or even one season.

I agree and in this case Ben Howard shouldn't have even been the coach of the 2009 panthers they should have gave copkley atleast another year but i guess that is how pikeville works if the people making the donations dont like the coach then the coach has to go or the donations go.

Hustle · 12-16-2009, 11:23 PM

You're exactly right! But that is never going to happen at Pikeville.

previouspanther64 · 12-16-2009, 11:23 PM

NEXT Wrote:He left Letcher to come home and coach......his dad is sill HC there.

Someone brought up the loss to Harlan......Pikeville is not very good and has not been very good for the last 3 years........its going to take 3-4 years to rebuild that place, IF it can be done at all.

This is true they havent been great for three years but Pikeville has never lost to Harlan(up until this year) under HC Howard and probably never had this close to a losing season in the last 20 years or in pikeville history for that matter
6 and 6 i mean come on somthing was wrong and it wasnt the talant or the kids

inspiron · 12-16-2009, 11:29 PM

Mike Copley took an average team to the Regional championship last year and they fired him. :please:

previouspanther64 · 12-16-2009, 11:35 PM

the watcher Wrote:We tried that with Jackson and Copley and we know how that turned out...Not hating on them, both were good men, they just didn't know how Pikeville works. So I say they keep the HC job for someone who remembers what Pikeville is about

Both had descent seasons and kids worked hard for them, and it was still a school were players from all over the county came to play. Now after this year no transfers for football from the county and not a descent season.

Hustle · 12-16-2009, 11:47 PM

Why would he resign? The last I read, everything was going great and the program was "headed in the right direction." If some of the Pikeville faithful could let us in on the situation, it would help. Where's Jetpilot, Hail Pikeville, and some of the others that are always on Pikeville threads telling us what's going on with the Panthers. This is a Pikeville Football thread, you guys seemed to be more than happy with the way things were going not to long ago.:please:

**Panther Thunder** · 12-16-2009, 11:50 PM

Hustle Wrote:Why would he resign? The last I read, everything was going great and the program was "headed in the right direction." If some of the Pikeville faithful could let us in on the situation, it would help. Where's Jetpilot, Hail Pikeville, and some of the others that are always on Pikeville threads telling us what's going on with the Panthers. This is a Pikeville Football thread, you guys seemed to be more than happy with the way things were going not to long ago.:please:

They are probably trying to handle this with some class. There if not a definite answer yet, but if it is what it seems, then it does not need to be discussed here. This has nothing to do with on the field results.

Hustle · 12-17-2009, 12:08 AM

Some of us would like to figure out why Pikeville keeps losing coaches. Was it for personal reasons? Was it his teaching? Was it not what he expected? Was he forced out? Did the adminastration use the "he was not a good enough teacher" excuse that they used on MacNamee and Copley?

**Panther Thunder** · (This post was last modified: 12-17-2009, 12:31 AM by BlackcatAlum.)

Hustle Wrote:What are you talking about? I never said anything out of the way. Quit being so defensive. Some of us would like to figure out why Pikeville keeps losing coaches. Was it for personal reasons? Was it his teaching? Was it not what he expected? Was he forced out? Did the adminastration use the "he was not a good enough teacher" excuse that they used on MacNamee and Copley?

If it is meant for the public to find out, then I am sure we will. All I know for sure is that is was not for on the field reasons. Copley, I am assuming was not the guy they wanted in the first place, but had no other options.

Hustle · 12-17-2009, 12:19 AM

Panther Thunder Wrote:They are probably trying to handle this with some class. There if not a definite answer yet, but if it is what it seems, then it does not need to be discussed here. This has nothing to do with on the field results.

If it's what I'm thinking now, then you're right, it doesen't need to be mentioned on this thread. The administration should have there butts kicked for allowing this to happen.