[kybaseball]

Me too.

Me three.

[justabballfan]

If valley can get their big men on the boards, I see Valley by 10.:flame:

I agree with the REALVILLE if this game happens I don't think SV will get a smell, Elliot Co. will win this game easy, but keep dreaming.

[NYY10]

If Valley can get 100 percent back from Justice, No Showboating and some boards from there big men, then they can take it!!
Can't Wait!!!

[TheRealVille]

I agree with the REALVILLE if this game happens I don't think SV will get a smell, Elliot Co. will win this game easy, but keep dreaming.

Maybe after tonight(staying after the Paintsville game to watch SV) I will have more to base my opinion on. Haven't saw SV since last year at 15th region. THAT SV can't beat EC. They will have to have gotten much better.

[NYY10]

Maybe after tonight(staying after the Paintsville game to watch SV) I will have more to base my opinion on. Haven't saw SV since last year at 15th region. THAT SV can't beat EC. They will have to have gotten much better.

IMO, with justice at 100%, they really are. But thats only when Justice is at 100%

[bigman77]

Who have you been watching? Get off the SV fan stuff. They are not even in the same class as EC. SV isn't even ranked in the top 25. EC is #1. EC beat the #8 team in the state and slept the whole first half. I was there.

I have been watching Valley play. If they can get their big men out of the slump I see them beating EC. Who have you been watching? You said you haven't even see Valley play this year.

[trufan]

I would have to go with Valley in this one if they were to play EC, and one of those two will win the All A.

[justabballfan]

I have been watching Valley play. If they can get their big men out of the slump I see them beating EC. Who have you been watching? You said you haven't even see Valley play this year.

What are you thinking (BIGMAN77) I've watched SV play a couple times to, so obviously you're making them out to be alot better than what I've seen. Honestly I don't think they can beat Elliot on the're best day no matter what they're big men do. :igiveup:

[TheRealVille]

What are you thinking (BIGMAN77) I've watched SV play a couple times to, so obviously you're making them out to be alot better than what I've seen. Honestly I don't think they can beat Elliot on the're best day no matter what they're big men do. :igiveup:

I've watched EC a couple of times this year against some good schools. I've watched SV tonight. SV played a great game against BL but, EC is a 10-15 point better team. JMO and I've got no dog in either hunt to be biased either way.

[More Cowbell]

How is Shelby Valley even eligible to play in the All "A"? No way they are single A in any sport. The ALL A used to mean something when it was actually for the small schools.

Touchstone Energy counts enrollment from grades 10-12. The KHSAA counts grades 9-12. That is how some schools can be 2A in one sport but still be invited to the All A in basketball. But I also think if the enrollment figures for schools like Shelby Valley was compared to schools like Pikeville and Betsy Layne, I think you would be surprised.

BBOF is right on this one. SV is below the enrollment cutoff to compete in the All-A Classic. The organizers of this tournament choose to use a different way of determining who is class "A" than what the KHSAA does. That is why a school may be over the KHSAA's clas A cutoff point in football, but below the All-A Classic's cutoff point.

And slingblade, the All-A is still for the small schools, including Shelby Valley. Like BBOF said, if you looked at enrollment figures, you would see that Valley is a lot closer to a school like Pikeville than you might think. SV was not eligible for the All-A the first few years of its existence, but the enrollment at the school has been in a steady decline for a while now. I expect SV will remain eligible for the All-A for a long time, unless Touchstone changes the cutoff point.

[More Cowbell]

Who have you been watching? Get off the SV fan stuff. They are not even in the same class as EC. SV isn't even ranked in the top 25. EC is #1. EC beat the #8 team in the state and slept the whole first half. I was there.

I can only hope that your statement about EC being in a different class than SV was purely based on Elisha's recent injury. Because when healthy, SV is very much in EC's class, as one of the best teams in the state. And based on the last couple games, it certainly appears that SV is almost all the way back to the team we all saw in December. That team can absolutely hang with Elliott.

Now, I agree that Elliott would be the definite favorite. They might even be the best team in the state, period. But with Elisha healthy, SV is good enough to keep it close and hopefully have a chance to win it.

[TheRealVille]

I can only hope that your statement about EC being in a different class than SV was purely based on Elisha's recent injury. Because when healthy, SV is very much in EC's class, as one of the best teams in the state. And based on the last couple games, it certainly appears that SV is almost all the way back to the team we all saw in December. That team can absolutely hang with Elliott.

Now, I agree that Elliott would be the definite favorite. They might even be the best team in the state, period. But with Elisha healthy, SV is good enough to keep it close and hopefully have a chance to win it.

I think the range between EC and SV is about the same as the range between SV and everybody else in the 15th. A win isn't impossible, but unlikely.

[More Cowbell]

I think the range between EC and SV is about the same as the range between SV and everybody else in the 15th. A win isn't impossible, but unlikely.

I disagree. When healthy, SV is at least 15-20 points better than the next best team in the region, and even more than the rest. No way is Elliott that much better than Valley.

I would say if there was such an entity to place odds on the game, I would say EC would be favored by 5-6 points. Which means that Elliott should win if they played their "A" game, regardless of how SV played. But if EC was off just a bit, and SV played like they have been lately, then the Wildcats may just walk away with the win.

[InstantOffense]

I think the range between EC and SV is about the same as the range between SV and everybody else in the 15th. A win isn't impossible, but unlikely.

I hate to say this, but you definitely have some kind of hatred toward Valley... SV can beat the next best team in the region by 30 points. Elliott wouldn't beat SV that badly if they played 50 times. I think if they both play at their best it would be about a 5 point game. It seems like you never want to give SV the credit they deserve. I am realistic, I don't think that SV is a better team but they are certainly in the same class. SV beat Henry Clay 73-37. That is by far their worst loss of the season and they have played alot of really strong teams. Ask Henry Clay how good SV can be at their best.

[InstantOffense]

Also if I were picking right now I would take Elliott to win the state title.

[More Cowbell]

SV can beat the next best team in the region by 30 points. Elliott wouldn't beat SV that badly if they played 50 times. I think if they both play at their best it would be about a 5 point game. It seems like you never want to give SV the credit they deserve. I am realistic, I don't think that SV is a better team but they are certainly in the same class. SV beat Henry Clay 73-37. That is by far their worst loss of the season and they have played alot of really strong teams. Ask Henry Clay how good SV can be at their best.

Good post, and I agree with both points you made. I think even the most passionate SV fans, if they are being realistic, would have to agree that Elliott is the better team. But they aren't head and shoulders above Valley, and the gap is not as wide as some would believe.

[InstantOffense]

Good post, and I agree with both points you made. I think even the most passionate SV fans, if they are being realistic, would have to agree that Elliott is the better team. But they aren't head and shoulders above Valley, and the gap is not as wide as some would believe.

I have seen Valley play essentially every game in the last 11 years and during that time I have traveled across the state to watch other good teams across the state. From the time they were youngsters in AAU this Valley group has always competed and beat the best teams in the state of Kentucky. They are still capable of that when they play their best basketball. I think if SV and Elliott played 10 times Valley would probably win twice, but the margin would never be more than 10 or 12 points when they lost.

[More Cowbell]

I have seen Valley play essentially every game in the last 11 years and during that time I have traveled across the state to watch other good teams across the state. From the time they were youngsters in AAU this Valley group has always competed and beat the best teams in the state of Kentucky. They are still capable of that when they play their best basketball. I think if SV and Elliott played 10 times Valley would probably win twice, but the margin would never be more than 10 or 12 points when they lost.

Do you really think SV would only win twice out of 10 times? I always figured it would be more like 4 (at least 3) out of 10.

[InstantOffense]

I was being modest. I would like to think they would win more... I just didn't want to get accused of being a homer.

[TheRealVille]

I have seen Valley play essentially every game in the last 11 years and during that time I have traveled across the state to watch other good teams across the state. From the time they were youngsters in AAU this Valley group has always competed and beat the best teams in the state of Kentucky. They are still capable of that when they play their best basketball. I think if SV and Elliott played 10 times Valley would probably win twice, but the margin would never be more than 10 or 12 points when they lost.

This is exactly my thinking. EC is a 10-15 point better team.

[TheRealVille]

I hate to say this, but you definitely have some kind of hatred toward Valley... SV can beat the next best team in the region by 30 points. Elliott wouldn't beat SV that badly if they played 50 times. I think if they both play at their best it would be about a 5 point game. It seems like you never want to give SV the credit they deserve. I am realistic, I don't think that SV is a better team but they are certainly in the same class. SV beat Henry Clay 73-37. That is by far their worst loss of the season and they have played alot of really strong teams. Ask Henry Clay how good SV can be at their best.

Definitely no hatred. SV is a 15th team. I just think EC is a 10-15 point better team after watching both play. The SV last night, just as a spectator, don't even compare to the EC team I have watched as of late. Maybe the margin isn't as far as SV to the rest of the 15th but IMHO, it is 10-15 points.

[NYY10]

I think the range between EC and SV is about the same as the range between SV and everybody else in the 15th. A win isn't impossible, but unlikely.

HAHA, are you really being serious, EC might just be a little better then Valley, but there not as good as you are making them out to be, We all Know you hate Valley for some reason so get over it!!!

[NYY10]

Do you really think SV would only win twice out of 10 times? I always figured it would be more like 4 (at least 3) out of 10.

I would say they spilt, but if not then Valley would have at least 4

[InstantOffense]

Definitely no hatred. SV is a 15th team. I just think EC is a 10-15 point better team after watching both play. The SV last night, just as a spectator, don't even compare to the EC team I have watched as of late. Maybe the margin isn't as far as SV to the rest of the 15th but IMHO, it is 10-15 points.

Considering Anderson County played them to 4 points and West Carter played them within 12 I would venture to say that Valley would easily stay within 10. Do you also think West Carter would beat Shelby Valley? Once again I think Elliott is a great team, but when did they become these world beaters that you make them out to be?

[central fan]

it would be great if they were both beat out in the first round...lmao

[TheRealVille]

it would be great if they were both beat out in the first round...lmao

That would make it tons easier on the rest of the field.

[More Cowbell]

Considering Anderson County played them to 4 points and West Carter played them within 12 I would venture to say that Valley would easily stay within 10. Do you also think West Carter would beat Shelby Valley? Once again I think Elliott is a great team, but when did they become these world beaters that you make them out to be?

Another good post. I would think that SV is easily better than West Carter, and I also would say that they are almost as good, if not as good, as Anderson Co. I think there's no doubt SV stays within 10 points of Elliott, and I say the margin would be more like 5-6 points, assuming both teams bring their "A" game.

[Big_Blue_Fan23]

if cordia can get by hazard in the 14 region then i really think they will go all the way to win the all a

[letthebighogroot]

Considering Anderson County played them to 4 points and West Carter played them within 12 I would venture to say that Valley would easily stay within 10. Do you also think West Carter would beat Shelby Valley? Once again I think Elliott is a great team, but when did they become these world beaters that you make them out to be?

First, Penny is better way better than any player on either team! And his teammates aren't bad either, JTown beat them by 2, and Scott Co. battled them single digits until the 4th, when they pulled away to win by 15. As for West Carter.............All I will say is..........Go to Olive Hill and play! You'll see! But I don't disagree with Valley and Elliott being a dogfight, just the basis you use.

[valleyfan09]

Don'T care who SV starts if they play Elliot Co. really don't think the way they"ve played lately it matters Elliot wins this game easily.

valley will beat elliot easily with elisha 100%