[MonsterMan]

Monsterman, I would love to hear how the basketball team can be organized like the football program. Iam taking in your comment that something is wrong at the middle school level. Maybe I am taking it wrong. Eddie and Avery are both wonderful coaches. As far as the organization I know of at lest 2 of elementary coaches coach both sports. So I am terribly confused. Please enlighten me. By the way congrats Magoffin on big win. Coach Kenzie keep your head up. Most of the true fans of JC think you are doing an outstanding job. Wide open is this district!!

Results tell the story. The football program was the joke of the mountins and now we are known as a state contender. New faces and involment by the head coach and staff in the lower levels and look what happened.

Two questions:
1) Do you think the middle school sends the high school the best players in the school and are they prepared to play?
2) Has the performance of JC this season been acceptable with the talent we have on that team?

Being one of us and a nice guy are great attributes, but we are all judged on our performace period. We have to take a hard look at what JC has and where we are at. I do not think the basketball program is where is should be. Just my opinion and I welcome anyone who does not think so.

You are correct, the season is young and this team could acccomplish great things and I hope they do!

[Mr.Mister]

Mike Castle would be my choice!!!

You have to be joking all of us... Pray for him, but he doeen't have the health to!! He wasn't even lobbying for it when the job was open

[All_Sport#1]

No way this should have happened. Didn't get to this one, wish I had. What happened? Let's go eagles, I'm ready for another regional championship.
Was everyone playing? :confused:

your gonna have to win districts first...lmao

ohh, and cody who???

[magic man]

All i know is that magoffin won end of story, central got out played out hustled and out coached thats all there is to it.
congrats magoffin glad to finally see you all play like yuns are sopose to keep it up

[All_Sport#1]

All i know is that magoffin won end of story, central got out played out hustled and out coached thats all there is to it.
congrats magoffin glad to finally see you all play like yuns are sopose to keep it up

couldnt agree with you more on t hat one...jc came out with hot heads thinkin they had it in the palm of their hand...!!!, congrats magoffin you owned them:thumpsup:

[bballs]

Too bad for JC's loss, they sure needed a win. Magoffin out played them. At least all the players had a chair to sit on instead of a cooler or the bleachers behind the coaching staff of 8 members. Maybe this is a problem. It appears to be mass confusion for these players as at times all these coaches are screaming out different things. Now lets not completely blame the coaches because some of JC's players are playing a different style of ball called MINE ALL MINE!!! Maybe if this team would begin to play as a team and each player had the same rules we would see a different outcome. Too much TALENT to waste a season like this. It would appear that Mckenzie better take charge and let his staff and a few players know whose team this really is or this will end up being a long one.

[The Fan]

Too bad for JC's loss, they sure needed a win. Magoffin out played them. At least all the players had a chair to sit on instead of a cooler or the bleachers behind the coaching staff of 8 members. Maybe this is a problem. It appears to be mass confusion for these players as at times all these coaches are screaming out different things.

does that Ward guy know anything ?

[TheCarter3]

that game was the biggest fluke ive ever seen in my life..everyone on centrals team played horrible and everyone on magoffins team played the best they could play...and it still took a buzzer beater to beat jc...magoffin is horrible..u all no it just as well as i do

[Mr.Mister]

At least all the players had a chair to sit on instead of a cooler or the bleachers behind the coaching staff of 8 members. Maybe this is a problem. It appears to be mass confusion for these players as at times all these coaches are screaming out different things. Now lets not completely blame the coaches because some of JC's players are playing a different style of ball called MINE ALL MINE!!! Maybe if this team would begin to play as a team and each player had the same rules we would see a different outcome. Too much TALENT to waste a season like this. It would appear that Mckenzie better take charge and let his staff and a few players know whose team this really is or this will end up being a long one.

You apparently have never been apart of a winning program because people want to be associated with champions. Granted Magoffin Co. wanted it worse and granted they got it... Still JC has one of the best basketball programs in the 15th region without a doubt. And you also seemingly have never been apart of a coaching staff before. Even though a head coach my see everything that goes on he can't have the same exact duty as to pick out on everything, tell it to each player, call the plays, ect... Assistant coaches are there for a reason. An assistant that sits there like a mute is as useless as them not even being there. When any coach talks they don’t say it to hear themselves speak. To you it may seem as a problem but to people who are apart of a great program, it's not.

[Eagle Pride 90`]

Monsterman, I would love to hear how the basketball team can be organized like the football program. Iam taking in your comment that something is wrong at the middle school level. Maybe I am taking it wrong. Eddie and Avery are both wonderful coaches. As far as the organization I know of at lest 2 of elementary coaches coach both sports. So I am terribly confused. Please enlighten me. By the way congrats Magoffin on big win. Coach Kenzie keep your head up. Most of the true fans of JC think you are doing an outstanding job. Wide open is this district!!

The way the Avery handles the middle school basketball team is a complete joke. I think tommy does a good job and has the passion and commitment to do a good job for a long time if left alone and supported. He will be fighting an uphill battle when it comes to players as long as Avery is allowed to coach the middle school. If you think I am hiding behind a computer screen send me a private message and I will tell you exactley who I am.

[UnderArmour24]

I didnt see this one coming at all. Way to come out and fight Magoffin.

[IRISH4]

couldnt agree with you more on t hat one...jc came out with hot heads thinkin they had it in the palm of their hand...!!!, congrats magoffin you owned them:thumpsup:

I wouldn't call a last second shot victory "owning" anyone...also about the "having to win districts first" you don't have to in order to win the regional title...there has been several instances of the district runner-up winning the regional crown. I actually think JC has done that once in the past.

[Eagle_Fan442]

Yeah, the way Matney handled it is that he no longer plays football, and he is rapidly wearing very thin on the baseball coach's patience. Your right a kid should not be able to disrupt an entire program. There comes a time when it's best to just say adios and good luck.

if we are thinking of the same kid...that kid..chose not to play football...his choice....sometimes ya have to get down to a kids way of thinking before they can be coachable.

[Eagle_Fan442]

Yeah I know it was his choice. But he was left with not much else but that choice now wasn't he?

Get down to a kids way of thinking. Einstein and the whole group that built the atomic bomb couldn't even begin to figure that one's way of thinking out.

No.. that wasn't his only choice....No disrespect here but you sure are one to give up on a child pretty easily. I truly hope you are not a teacher or a coach.

[MonsterMan]

I think this shows what I stated earlier, Tommy may be a great coach but the JC system is just not producing results. Maybe a rethinkning of the system and a few new faces would help. IMO, Tommy just needs two asst coaches on the bench and they should be new faces who are there to support him. In the end it will be Tommy who will get the blame and the system they have now is just not working for him.

[Mr.Mister]

Why is everyone bashing on centrals program and their coach. It was one bad game and everyone acts like it is the end of Johnson Central. This game made Magoffin Countys season, but I don't think it will break Centrals. The program is top notch without a doubt, and one unlucky night won't change much. The Eagles are still 7-3, 2-1 in district... So all this talk of how the program is so awful and how a a new coaching staff will make things better is bogus. Johnson Central were region champs 06'-07' Tommy an assistant coach and runners up last year with Tommy as head coach.

[OutsideLogic]

The big problem with JC right now is the guard play. JC doesn't have shooters. MC did a good job of collapsing on the interior players and forcing JC to shoot from the outside. I don't know how many 3's they hit or how many 18 foot jumpers they hit but it wasn't many. The one key ingredient missing right now is that consistent rise up and knock down the 3 ball shooter. Dale, when he has his feet set can shoot the eyes out of it, Whitaker when not facing pressure can knock down the three but no one can create their own on the perimeter for this team. Coach McKenzie has done an outstanding job so far, he does have some attitudes that he has had to deal with but for a young coach, he has done a pretty good job. The younger groups are where part of the problem lies. There are too many coaches that are not worried about building good fundamental players to build the high school program but instead they are only interested in winning. AAU needs to make a big comeback in Johnson County. Look at any of the successful high PROGRAMS (not teams but programs) and it starts with people that have a passion for the high school program coaching in the AAU circuit. I know that alot of people will not agree with what I have to say but I think that off season is one big problem with younger kids and getting better. One of those problems is also video games. Kids just don't get out on their own and become better players anymore because it is easier to sit and play video games.

[OutsideLogic]

Why is everyone bashing on centrals program and their coach. It was one bad game and everyone acts like it is the end of Johnson Central. This game made Magoffin Countys season, but I don't think it will break Centrals. The program is top notch without a doubt, and one unlucky night won't change much. The Eagles are still 7-3, 2-1 in district... So all this talk of how the program is so awful and how a a new coaching staff will make things better is bogus. Johnson Central were region champs 06'-07' Tommy an assistant coach and runners up last year with Tommy as head coach.

A whole lot of truth to what you have said, hey is the Tarheel nation ready to throw in the towel, they got beat by a team that wasn't supposed to win. I do think it was 05-06 when Central won the region though. They didn't make the regional tournament in 06-07.

[MonsterMan]

The big problem with JC right now is the guard play. JC doesn't have shooters. MC did a good job of collapsing on the interior players and forcing JC to shoot from the outside. I don't know how many 3's they hit or how many 18 foot jumpers they hit but it wasn't many. The one key ingredient missing right now is that consistent rise up and knock down the 3 ball shooter. Dale, when he has his feet set can shoot the eyes out of it, Whitaker when not facing pressure can knock down the three but no one can create their own on the perimeter for this team. Coach McKenzie has done an outstanding job so far, he does have some attitudes that he has had to deal with but for a young coach, he has done a pretty good job. The younger groups are where part of the problem lies. There are too many coaches that are not worried about building good fundamental players to build the high school program but instead they are only interested in winning. AAU needs to make a big comeback in Johnson County. Look at any of the successful high PROGRAMS (not teams but programs) and it starts with people that have a passion for the high school program coaching in the AAU circuit. I know that alot of people will not agree with what I have to say but I think that off season is one big problem with younger kids and getting better. One of those problems is also video games. Kids just don't get out on their own and become better players anymore because it is easier to sit and play video games.

Great post! I agree, the problem is we are not converting young raw talent into good fundamental high school team players, case closed. We are too worried about winning awards at the grade school and middle school and not teaching fundamantals. Alot of great kids who could have helped the high school fall through the cracks. I am a JC fan, but I will make the following comment, other schools have built great programs on the kids we have not handled properly and this has started at the lower levels.

JC fans care as this is a long thread that started with the game with MC and most seem to agree. Any coach at JC that is sucessful will have to have a better feeder system to reach the potetial we have.

[LC Class of 2010]

LOL wow..unbelieveable..JC is beginning to fall apart..did not see this loss coming at all :lmao:

[Eagle Eye]

LOL wow..unbelieveable..JC is beginning to fall apart..did not see this loss coming at all :lmao:

Falling apart?? You wish.....sorry we didn't fall apart before we gave you a big L!:lmao:

[MonsterMan]

LOL wow..unbelieveable..JC is beginning to fall apart..did not see this loss coming at all :lmao:

This long thread shows JC fans are interested and want nothing but the best for thier programs. This is something you should try at LC! You will find out how much we are falling apart when you come back to JC! A little contraversy never hurt anybody.

[bballs]

You apparently have never been apart of a winning program because people want to be associated with champions. Granted Magoffin Co. wanted it worse and granted they got it... Still JC has one of the best basketball programs in the 15th region without a doubt. And you also seemingly have never been apart of a coaching staff before. Even though a head coach my see everything that goes on he can't have the same exact duty as to pick out on everything, tell it to each player, call the plays, ect... Assistant coaches are there for a reason. An assistant that sits there like a mute is as useless as them not even being there. When any coach talks they don’t say it to hear themselves speak. To you it may seem as a problem but to people who are apart of a great program, it's not.

Man, I am sorry to have hit a nerve there. I was not going to respond but Now after reading through your entire post here goes. Champions ??? of what. One of the best teams in the 15th remains to be seen wouldn't you say? I have been around awhile and yes I have been on the winning side a few times and also been the part of a coaching staff too. Suprised?? I stated facts. At times some players ARE sitting on coolers or in the bleachers behind the team. There are to many assistants and it does appear to be a state of confusion. Now either two things are possible: The coaches are not getting together or JC has no talent or they might just be UNLUCKY. You pick. If coach M needs this much help he is sorry or maybe he thinks a staff this big looks GOOD. Once again you pick. And lastly A GREAT PROGRAM WINS and looks good doing so. So as of now I I tend to disagree with everything you have stated. Hopefully JC will come around when it counts or maybe they will just get lucky again. You Pick.

[smokey.blue]

Congrats Hornets!!
I don't understand why there are 3 pages of responses to this game. It doesn't mean Central is "falling apart". I don't believe one game is going to determine the rest of a teams season.

As previously stated, Magoffin took the Eagles by suprise, and won a hard fought game!

[BballFan63]

You apparently have never been apart of a winning program because people want to be associated with champions. Granted Magoffin Co. wanted it worse and granted they got it... Still JC has one of the best basketball programs in the 15th region without a doubt. And you also seemingly have never been apart of a coaching staff before. Even though a head coach my see everything that goes on he can't have the same exact duty as to pick out on everything, tell it to each player, call the plays, ect... Assistant coaches are there for a reason. An assistant that sits there like a mute is as useless as them not even being there. When any coach talks they don’t say it to hear themselves speak. To you it may seem as a problem but to people who are apart of a great program, it's not.

I've been part of this school for a loooooonnnngggg time, and I think it's ridiculous that we have that many assistant coaches on the bench for the boys. RIDICULOUS!

[EKY Sportster]

For those who want to talk about JC's drama instead of the thread topic, well quiet simply put JC should be a district leader in every sport every year because of their size. But sometimes it takes awhile to iron out the kinks.

Bottom line, MC won this game, and it isn't the first time they have pulled out the upset over a heavily favored JC team.

[BballFan63]

For those who want to talk about JC's drama instead of the thread topic, well quiet simply put JC should be a district leader in every sport every year because of their size. But sometimes it takes awhile to iron out the kinks.

Bottom line, MC won this game, and it isn't the first time they have pulled out the upset over a heavily favored JC team.

But haven't you noticed by now that most people love to talk about JCs drama -they thrive on it. It must be great to be part of a school that doesn't have drama. Yeah right.

[MonsterMan]

For those who want to talk about JC's drama instead of the thread topic, well quiet simply put JC should be a district leader in every sport every year because of their size. But sometimes it takes awhile to iron out the kinks.

Bottom line, MC won this game, and it isn't the first time they have pulled out the upset over a heavily favored JC team.

You are correct, MC came out and beat JC because they wanted it more and they should be congratulated. That is what the thread is about.

The drama would end if JC wins and wins with class. We are a school big enough to do both on a regular basis. The system is just not in place to iron out the kinks, Tommy needs better support. Lets hope they work it out and JC gets back on track.

[The Fan]

You are correct, MC came out and beat JC because they wanted it more and they should be congratulated. That is what the thread is about.

The drama would end if JC wins and wins with class. We are a school big enough to do both on a regular basis. The system is just not in place to iron out the kinks, Tommy needs better support. Lets hope they work it out and JC gets back on track.

well said

[candyman]

that game was the biggest fluke ive ever seen in my life..everyone on centrals team played horrible and everyone on magoffins team played the best they could play...and it still took a buzzer beater to beat jc...magoffin is horrible..u all no it just as well as i do

looks like jc is pretty horrible too....:lmao: