[brown_ind1977]

So umm tell me brown what happends when u get a cocky pirate? they sink with the ship! Oh and cuppett777 please tell me u was there for the 06 year scrimage at Belfry what was the final score of that one do u remember umm 42-0 is what it looked like to me so dodged the bullet ther didnt ya buddy!:moon:

LOL, Let them come cocky, Let them come undefeated, Let them leave Crying!

Can't wait will be a great game. Mean no disrespect to belfry. They do have a great team but don't count your eggs till they hatch. By the way the egg's are at the nest on november 7. (LOL).

[Matman]

Why the only good team that they beat has been Perry. Only won by 4.Lawrence 0-5,East ridge0-5 Magoffin 2-3 Dont know anything about fairland oh. The only team that they have beat dont have a lossing record is perry. So if i was Sheldon Clark i would be very happy and not say to much. Becuase you might make them see that they have messed up IMO :confused:

You can say the same thing about Prestonsburg. They have beat one good team. So that arguement is a bunch of bs. SC feilds good teams year in and year out. By the way failand is a good team and even better at home. Very hard team to beat at home.

[cuppett777]

mr.brown i didnt say jc wont beat belfry, i said until your team is to be on top you got to beat them 1st,and when the games counted most jc hasnt beat belfry, and like last year,you guys thought jc would row the pirates that didnt happen either,but this year may be different we will see,best of luck to your team,so dont get upset,we are just talking are own ideals,we are not playing

[brown_ind1977]

mr.brown i didnt say jc wont beat belfry, i said until your team is to be on top you got to beat them 1st,and when the games counted most jc hasnt beat belfry, and like last year,you guys thought jc would row the pirates that didnt happen either,but this year may be different we will see,best of luck to your team,[B]so dont get upset,we are just talking are own ideals,we are not playing

Me up set no! I agree, we are not playing. That group of kids last year over archived and that's the reason this is a better team than last year IMO. When you lose 4 starting offensive line men you are not suppose to go 8-2 regular season and deep into the playoffs. Good luck like i said game of the year IMO.

[Bobcat_Dad]

I was there and other than 2 pass plays and a long kick off return to set bell county on the 1 yard line or so. Bell county got shut down they could not run against JC. No The starts never come out at the half and it was set up similar to a game. The bell county coach's were mad, (why) because they just give up over 400 yards in rushing lol. Bell got there buts handed to them plain and simple. Lucky for them that it don't count IMO!

What you don't realize is that is a scrimage and no game planning goes into it. Also Bell played very few kids many snaps both ways and played a bunch of kids that are JV kids only, early in the SCRIMAGE. 3 hour bus ride, 15 minute warm-up and who gives a crap about Johnson central can kind of skew your opinion of a team.


Obviously people that are much wiser about Football make up the polls than you and maybe I. :Thumbs:

[bucslover68]

So umm tell me brown what happends when u get a cocky pirate? they sink with the ship! Oh and cuppett777 please tell me u was there for the 06 year scrimage at Belfry what was the final score of that one do u remember umm 42-0 is what it looked like to me so dodged the bullet ther didnt ya buddy!:moon:

I have kind of held my tongue and fingers to lay off some of the JC fans. Scrimmages do not count. Matney looks at each contest, be it a game or a scrimmage, as the most important thing going on in the world at that time. That is fine. Coaches prepare differently. Maybe JC would have won in 06, but they did not play. They did play last year and JC got the holy crap beat out of them. It was never a game except for a couple of big pass plays. The three-headed monster of Grim, and Dillon and Richardson was beheaded. Belfry had 3 backs of their own that were flat out better than JC. Now, that was last year. This year will be decided on the field. As I have said in other posts, Matney will bill this game as life or death. I honestly believe JC will be a favorite and deservedly so. I believe right now they are better than Belfry. I don't think Belfry is as stout up front as they were last year. But what gets me is the total lack of respect JC fans are giving the Pirates. Believe me, Belfry repects and wishes JC the best, but remeber that Belfry is The Program in these parts. JC is not. They have improved so much since Matney has arrived and I believe they will continue to do so. They may very well beat Belfry this year and if they do they will deserve it, but Belfry does not measure their success by the JC game. They measure it by how they end the year: usually at least in the final four, a place JC has found how many times in their history??? A little dose of humility would help you Central folks until you actually accomplish something other than beating Ashland or Montgomery County in the playoffs. Getting blasted by Cov Cath and Lincoln County should be a lesson that maybe your program is not quite at the statewide level that you think you are.

[brown_ind1977]

What you don't realize is that is a scrimage and no game planning goes into it. Also Bell played very few kids many snaps both ways and played a bunch of kids that are JV kids only, early in the SCRIMAGE. 3 hour bus ride, 15 minute warm-up and who gives a crap about Johnson central can kind of skew your opinion of a team.


Obviously people that are much wiser about Football make up the polls than you and maybe I. :Thumbs:

Look who are you trying to convince, I hope not me I was there, and if you were you know just like everybody else. It does not bother me a bit that they are ranked 3rd. Its just JCHS, do they even belong in the top 10. All I can say if you know football you know you don't scrimmage and tell your Kids not to try. Do you not think coach's don't talk about how some other team got it handed to them at a scrimmage. Maybe we should not have kept score. hum! You are a smart person I'm sure, and it's alright to route for your team but you have to know what happened if you were there. Don't worry were not on your schedule this year (lol).

[cuppett777]

very well said buclover,i am in tn now,but still wont let anyone talk bad about the pirates , i got a stepson who plays on the 8th grade team..blake newsome

[bucslover68]

very well said buclover,i am in tn now,but still wont let anyone talk bad about the pirates , i got a stepson who plays on the 8th grade team..blake newsome

I love going back and forth with some of these fans. It is fun, I hope no one takes it too serious. I have heard of your stepson and i know he is supposed to be a good one. Keep supporting the Big Red and hopefully you can make it to Pond Creek for a game.

[bucslover68]

Me up set no! I agree, we are not playing. That group of kids last year over archived and that's the reason this is a better team than last year IMO. When you lose 4 starting offensive line men you are not suppose to go 8-2 regular season and deep into the playoffs. Good luck like i said game of the year IMO.

Hey brown, I think you are right about last year's JC team overachieving. I definitely believe this year's team can be and is better. Last year at the Pikeville and Lexington Catholic game, (We were there because Belfry and SV was postponed a night due to that car wreck that hurt the two SV kids), a JC fan said last year's team was better than 06 and i just knew that wasn't true. I feel that team in 06 was the best JC has had, and IMO this year's team can top that.

[brown_ind1977]

I have kind of held my tongue and fingers to lay off some of the JC fans. Scrimmages do not count. Matney looks at each contest, be it a game or a scrimmage, as the most important thing going on in the world at that time. That is fine. Coaches prepare differently. Maybe JC would have won in 06, but they did not play. They did play last year and JC got the holy crap beat out of them. It was never a game except for a couple of big pass plays. The three-headed monster of Grim, and Dillon and Richardson was beheaded. Belfry had 3 backs of their own that were flat out better than JC. Now, that was last year. This year will be decided on the field. As I have said in other posts, Matney will bill this game as life or death. I honestly believe JC will be a favorite and deservedly so. I believe right now they are better than Belfry. I don't think Belfry is as stout up front as they were last year. But what gets me is the total lack of respect JC fans are giving the Pirates. Believe me, Belfry repects and wishes JC the best, but remeber that Belfry is The Program in these parts. JC is not. They have improved so much since Matney has arrived and I believe they will continue to do so. They may very well beat Belfry this year and if they do they will deserve it, but Belfry does not measure their success by the JC game. They measure it by how they end the year: usually at least in the final four, a place JC has found how many times in their history??? A little dose of humility would help you Central folks until you actually accomplish something other than beating Ashland or Montgomery County in the playoffs. Getting blasted by Cov Cath and Lincoln County should be a lesson that maybe your program is not quite at the statewide level that you think you are.

Yep you got us last year. Like I said last year team is over achievers this year is different. That's why we play the game good luck both teams. JCHS wants to beat everyone not just Paintsville or belfry, its about the hardware believe that.

[bucslover68]

Yep you got us last year. Like I said last year team is over achievers this year is different. That's why we play the game good luck both teams. JCHS wants to beat everyone not just Paintsville or belfry, its about the hardware believe that.

You are right brother. Out of all the schools that get to play football in this state, really there are only a handfull that can even smell getting a shot at a championship. We should be glad that we are at two schools that have a real shot at doing something special year in and year out.

[blackcat]

Bell County would smash Pburg.

Based on what?

[bucslover68]

Based on what?

Hey blackcat, don't you just love these in depth responses backed up by a great argument.

[BIGREDDAWG]

No way is this even close!! First, JC should be ranked above Belfry. Second, I don't think Hazard should be 5th.

My rankings:

1. Johnson Central
2. Bell County
3. Ashland
4. Whitley County
5. Belfry
6. Prestonsburg
7. Russell
8. Letcher Co. Central
9. Knox Central
10. Sheldon Clark

Also Hazard, Corbin, Pikeville, Paintsville and some other teams are good as well but just not good enough to make the top 10 for all of the mountains.

Corbin beat Knox Central convincingly this season. Why does Knox trump Corbin?

[BellCoBobcat]

Shew im sick and tired of hearin that scrimages dont count if they dont count why keep score and why even do it?????? The way u all put it is we will play half speed and not try to score so we can say this dont count right? Thats a joke! You play a scrimage just as hard as u play a game i dont care who u are! End of story JC out played Bell that night....

Nothing will convince you....Dudley Hilton looks at scrimmages differently. They have never been about winning or losing. They are scrimmages! They are for for trying new/different players at positions etc. Dudley doesn't even show much of his offense until district play in the first games. Regardless...Bell's #2 and #3 RB's were out with injury. Both are ruthless defenders as well. Bell's defense was #1 last year in 4-A in the state and their varsity this year has only allowed two td's. Simpson is defensive captain and four year starter..Carton had 145 yds. Friday night in TN while Greer was out with injury. Those two guys out that night made a huge difference. Also Bell's All-state kicker, Merrick was injured and did not play most of the game. Johnson Central has a good team. So does Bell, but please don't continue to bring up the scrimmage as a win. In fact, the FANS are the ones around the mountains that keep score at most scrimmages. They don't count for anything...they are practice!

[brown_ind1977]

JCHS should be #1 in the mountain top ten, at least we can play belfry this year and figure that one out.I doubt that JC or Belfry fans or players will come up with a bunch of excuses.

[brown_ind1977]

Nothing will convince you....Dudley Hilton looks at scrimmages differently. They have never been about winning or losing. They are scrimmages! They are for for trying new/different players at positions etc. Dudley doesn't even show much of his offense until district play in the first games. Regardless...Bell's #2 and #3 RB's were out with injury. Both are ruthless defenders as well. Bell's defense was #1 last year in 4-A in the state and their varsity this year has only allowed two td's. Simpson is defensive captain and four year starter..Carton had 145 yds. Friday night in TN while Greer was out with injury. Those two guys out that night made a huge difference. Also Bell's All-state kicker, Merrick was injured and did not play most of the game. Johnson Central has a good team. So does Bell, but please don't continue to bring up the scrimmage as a win. In fact, the FANS are the ones around the mountains that keep score at most scrimmages. They don't count for anything...they are practice!

What i hear from you is blah, blah blah, blah. If you would have left with more points then it would be different.That's fine you guys defend your scrimmage excuses, and all of are players wasn't playin. I was there and anyone that was knows what happened. JCHS is the better of the 2 teams and you know it. Simply put.

[oneijoe]

Bell County would smash Pburg.

Nope...not this year.

Bell Co. should have taken the home/away series P-burg tried to set up with the Bobcats after the game in 2004. The 2005 and 2006 Blackcats weren't very good.

As it is, Bell Co. has never beaten P-burg...

[BellCoBobcat]

What i hear from you is blah, blah blah, blah. If you would have left with more points then it would be different.That's fine you guys defend your scrimmage excuses, and all of are players wasn't playin. I was there and anyone that was knows what happened. JCHS is the better of the 2 teams and you know it. Simply put.

No, I don't know it. Games are games. Scrimmages are scrimmages. It amazes me that we are even having this debate. I got on this site to try and bring some balance, because no Bell Co. fans were ever represented. It doesn't appear to do any good. You have to consider injuries to key starters that are now playing well. You have to factor in the long, hot 3 1/2 hour ride after school, I believe, and in 90+ degree heat on hot buses. I know for a fact that some were sick when they arrived. They were not given adequate time to warm up...something about a time change or misunderstanding....but the players were surprised to find that JC and all their fans were expecting a game! Obviously, you look at rationale facts as excuses...so we end this half of the discussion. Let the season be the judge.

[Poseidon]

These rankings are based on opinion and record. If these ranking had any base in fact Breathitt and Prestonsburg would be ranked next to each other because they are basically mirror images of one another and played to a virtual tie this season.

[blackcat]

Hey blackcat, don't you just love these in depth responses backed up by a great argument.

Exactly what I was thinking

[blackcat]

These rankings are based on opinion and record. If these ranking had any base in fact Breathitt and Prestonsburg would be ranked next to each other because they are basically mirror images of one another and played to a virtual tie this season.

I disagree, no doubt Breathitt has a great team, but a healthy Prestonsburg takes 8 out of 10 IMO.

[Poseidon]

I disagree, no doubt Breathitt has a great team, but a healthy Prestonsburg takes 8 out of 10 IMO.

I respect your opinion and you may be right, but I disagree and think Breathitt would beat Prestonsburg 5-10 times with the current teams. There is not much of a difference in the two teams as far as strengths......

[Bobcat_Dad]

What i hear from you is blah, blah blah, blah.

Real mature response.


That is the great thing about these message boards Brown you never know who you are talking too. I can assure the Bell staff or players did not take the scrimage at JCHS very serious. It was practice only. What does a team like Bell co. get from saying we won a scrimage. They were more excited about the pool in the locker room than the game.

[Mr.Kimball]

Real mature response.


That is the great thing about these message boards Brown you never know who you are talking too. I can assure the Bell staff or players did not take the scrimage at JCHS very serious. It was practice only. What does a team like Bell co. get from saying we won a scrimage. They were more excited about the pool in the locker room than the game.

Gee, and just think of all that time and effort they wasted keeping all those stats for something that wasn't being taken seriously. Looked like Hylton was taking it pretty serious to me. Regardless of how you want to make all of the excuses, they were flat worn out every which way but loose the whole session. Nobody had to even keep a score to recognize that fact.

[brown_ind1977]

Gee, and just think of all that time and effort they wasted keeping all those stats for something that wasn't being taken seriously. Looked like Hylton was taking it pretty serious to me. Regardless of how you want to make all of the excuses, they were flat worn out every which way but loose the whole session. Nobody had to even keep a score to recognize that fact.

Could not have said it better my self!

[brown_ind1977]

Real mature response.


That is the great thing about these message boards Brown you never know who you are talking too. I can assure the Bell staff or players did not take the scrimage at JCHS very serious. It was practice only. What does a team like Bell co. get from saying we won a scrimage. They were more excited about the pool in the locker room than the game.

It don't matter to me who knows who I am, I'll give you my address and we can sit, stand what ever comes to your mind and talk about it.

[cj2561]

No way is this even close!! First, JC should be ranked above Belfry. Second, I don't think Hazard should be 5th.

My rankings:

1. Johnson Central
2. Bell County
3. Ashland
4. Whitley County
5. Belfry
6. Prestonsburg
7. Russell
8. Letcher Co. Central
9. Knox Central
10. Sheldon Clark

Also Hazard, Corbin, Pikeville, Paintsville and some other teams are good as well but just not good enough to make the top 10 for all of the mountains.

Ashland and Russell is not the mountain. Johnson Central is not a 1/ Until johnson Central beat Belfry, they will stay at #3, Hazard will beat them in a few weeks.

[oleACfan]

Is anyone else looking forward to Belfry/JC???