[HCS]

Cumberland won the region in basketball in Creech's senior year of 2003. I don't think they won any playoff games in football. He was the leader of some pretty good teams, but they had no defense and not much of a running game, which usually means a short stay in the playoffs.
What it comes down to is this, to me. Creech was probably going to be the next coach at some point, and most didn't think Larkey would stay as long as he did. It's unfortunate the way it happened for a legend like Larkey, but Creech was probably going to get his shot eventually. He's great with the players, did a good job with the JV program and seems to be a guy with tremendous character.

[rojas]

You know, I read something on facebook the other day about football. This guy said that there are only 3 outcomes in a passing play, and 2 of them are bad. I never thought about that before.

Anyway, Eddie was a QB in high school, so I'm guessing he knows about a forward pass.

That was a quote from Woody Hayes, former legendary coach at Ohio State.

[Granny Bear]

No disrespect Granny but Lynn Camp won the Region in 2003. Eddie was the starting QB at Cumberland from 2000-2002. They lost in the first round to Paintsville during each of those 3 years by an average score of 57-14. As a first year coach there will be kinks that has to get worked out but the main thing is everyone needs to rally around the program again. What's done is done, some may like it some may not, but it is time to move on and wish Coach Creech the best.

No offense taken Dale. In 2003, I was following 2 biological grandchildren and 4 adopted grandchildren in their sporting events. I don't even remember very much from that year!!

So does anybody know who any of his assistants/def. coordinator are gonna be?

I'm not sure that he has announced yet, so this is totally talk, but I hear that the staff will include John Reynolds, Chad Wood, Jacob Saylor, Brett Johnson and as trainer, Jerry Edwards. Personally, if I were head coach, I would choose every one of these men.

That was a quote from Woody Hayes, former legendary coach at Ohio State.

Seee, you guys challenge ME, but you won't challenge Wood Hayes!!!!!
nicker:

[Joker's Wild]

Those are the same names of assistants I've heard. I think Denny Farmer and Scott Caldwell have also been asked. I think those are all good choices, but there is a problem with it. It leaves one of the 3 feeder programs (New Harlan) looking for coaches again.

[FarristownFlyer]

I'll say this from experience, Madison Southern did something similar several years ago and it DID NOT WORK OUT!!! The coaches they hired were great guys who knew football, but struggled to handle the "other" areas that comes with the job. It was a less than successful 3 or 4 years and it took a new coach who had no ties to the area and an All-American RB to turn things around...I don't see any All-Americans in Harlan. Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but its the truth.

[E's Army]

Creech was a very good high school quarterback. Congrats to him and I hope he can get things turned around.

[Demarcus ware]

I'll say this from experience, Madison Southern did something similar several years ago and it DID NOT WORK OUT!!! The coaches they hired were great guys who knew football, but struggled to handle the "other" areas that comes with the job. It was a less than successful 3 or 4 years and it took a new coach who had no ties to the area and an All-American RB to turn things around...I don't see any All-Americans in Harlan. Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but its the truth.

I think it was more the All-American than anything for MS. But either way every case is different and I think after a season or so HC will be just fine. If not, lesson learned and I'll be the first to admit it. But everyone just needs to relax and give the man a chance to see. Gotta start somewhere. .

[wiznut]

I'll say this from experience, Madison Southern did something similar several years ago and it DID NOT WORK OUT!!! The coaches they hired were great guys who knew football, but struggled to handle the "other" areas that comes with the job. It was a less than successful 3 or 4 years and it took a new coach who had no ties to the area and an All-American RB to turn things around...I don't see any All-Americans in Harlan. Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but its the truth.

Ms was all harris, and even them you guys sucked, there was no turnaround. southern is a joke. Harlan will be fine

[FarristownFlyer]

Ms was all harris, and even them you guys sucked, there was no turnaround. southern is a joke. Harlan will be fine

This year will be a .500 year but after that you'll be eating those words!...Southern isn't a joke...you are for being a TROLL.

[Demarcus ware]

This year will be a .500 year but after that you'll be eating those words!...Southern isn't a joke...you are for being a TROLL.

I agree and I know coach Clark. He helped my 11y/o turn into a beast. He will have MS going even after the Harris era...

[I Rule The World]

Theres a teacher at Cumberland Elementary named Cody Bailey who coached offensive line at Leslie Co. for a while. Great Coach, enthusiastic, just couldnt get a job in Leslie co. (None were available) He would be a great addition to the staff,,

[Cellking]

That drives me crazy on 3 things in a pass. Complete, incomplete, or interception. Only 4 things in a run. Gain, No gain (loss of down) fumble or loss of yds. 3 of them bad. LOL To each his own.

[goBIGblue82]

That drives me crazy on 3 things in a pass. Complete, incomplete, or interception. Only 4 things in a run. Gain, No gain (loss of down) fumble or loss of yds. 3 of them bad. LOL To each his own.

As I said for every outcome in a pass play their is an equal counterpart for a run play.

[Gitback Coach]

That drives me crazy on 3 things in a pass. Complete, incomplete, or interception. Only 4 things in a run. Gain, No gain (loss of down) fumble or loss of yds. 3 of them bad. LOL To each his own.

I've always thought those old sayings (like most) are a bit oversimplified. What about a completed screen pass for a loss of 2? What about running off-tackle for a first down, but holding is called? What about throwing an interception but stripping the returner and recovering his fumble for an overall gain of 20? And of course, there's the ever-popular running sweep for no gain but getting hit out-of-bounds and thus gaining 15 yards.

Bottom line: footballs bounce funny sometimes. Call what works, and if it doesn't work, call something else.

[goBIGblue82]

That drives me crazy on 3 things in a pass. Complete, incomplete, or interception. Only 4 things in a run. Gain, No gain (loss of down) fumble or loss of yds. 3 of them bad. LOL To each his own.

Complete Pass = Run for gain, incomplete pass = Run for no gain, Sack = Run for loss, Interception = Fumble, Touchdown = touchdown, penalty = penalty. Pass or run there are the same risks/rewards, coaches just have to assess the game situation and what the strengths weaknesses are of the defense.

[Cardfan1]

I thought the successor of coach Frazier at Middlesboro had it rough last year after that situation but with all that's been mentioned on here this job and the complications surrounding it (firing of a great coach, difficult admin, drop in population, new coach quit mid year etc) will be a BEAR!

That doesn't count the schedule that without being released has
Bell
Whitley
Letcher
Perry
North laurel
Johnson
Belfry.
:Sad04:
1-6 ...2-5 at best

There will be people with three and four faces instead of two in the community.
Good luck but this may have turned into the toughest job in the state from a coaches standpoint.

[The Eagle has landed]

I'll say this from experience, Madison Southern did something similar several years ago and it DID NOT WORK OUT!!! The coaches they hired were great guys who knew football, but struggled to handle the "other" areas that comes with the job. It was a less than successful 3 or 4 years and it took a new coach who had no ties to the area and an All-American RB to turn things around...I don't see any All-Americans in Harlan. Not trying to be Debbie Downer, but its the truth.

Come on FF Brumly knew football and yes it took a kid driving over from Richmond everyday for them to win games and when he was hurt they didn't win. Facts not fiction so before you crown your coach a football god see what he does next year without the fastest kid in the state playing against inferior athletes!

[The Eagle has landed]

All you all talking pass the ball you better have a kid that CAN PASS before you go throwing all over the place and there aint a lot of high school kids that can pass. But you will always have a kid that can carry the football.

[Sportsfanatic2015]

Saying the Coach at Madison Southern couldn't win without Harris is like saying Phil Jackson couldn't win without Michael Jordan or Kolby Bryant. Anyone want to say he can't Coach? He had them and won. Don't make him a Good or Bad because he had them.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I didn't put two and two together and realize that this was the same guy that won region at Cumberland back in the day. I watched those games. Region was at Whitley that year. Guy pretty much single handedly won region.

[RunItUpTheGut]

sack = incomplete pass!

Try again!!

A sack is a run goober.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I've always thought those old sayings (like most) are a bit oversimplified. What about a completed screen pass for a loss of 2? What about running off-tackle for a first down, but holding is called? What about throwing an interception but stripping the returner and recovering his fumble for an overall gain of 20? And of course, there's the ever-popular running sweep for no gain but getting hit out-of-bounds and thus gaining 15 yards.

Bottom line: footballs bounce funny sometimes. Call what works, and if it doesn't work, call something else.

Yea, that's pretty much what I said in not so many words.

[sports lover]

I talked to someone from the county that I think would know what is going on. He said that Creech for sure had Jacob Saylor, Brett Johnson, Scott Caldwell, Chad Wood. That is 4 out of 7 paid assistant's he can hire. The man told me that he can split some of those paid positions to get more positions. I will say this, I am a Dragon for life but HC couldn't of hired a better coach and better yet a better man for the job. We where hoping for a different hire for selfish reasons to try and get some county kids but HC nailed it.

[HCS]

I didn't put two and two together and realize that this was the same guy that won region at Cumberland back in the day. I watched those games. Region was at Whitley that year. Guy pretty much single handedly won region.

Yes, that was him.
Your memory is improving.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Yes, that was him.
Your memory is improving.

My brain struggles after talking to you HC folks. Its not use to working at only 35% :biggrin:

[panther nation]

Good hire for HC. Future is looking bright!!! inglepar

[Granny Bear]

That drives me crazy on 3 things in a pass. Complete, incomplete, or interception. Only 4 things in a run. Gain, No gain (loss of down) fumble or loss of yds. 3 of them bad. LOL To each his own.

You're humilitating Woody Hayes, not me!!
nicker:

I thought the successor of coach Frazier at Middlesboro had it rough last year after that situation but with all that's been mentioned on here this job and the complications surrounding it (firing of a great coach, difficult admin, drop in population, new coach quit mid year etc) will be a BEAR!

That doesn't count the schedule that without being released has
Bell
Whitley
Letcher
Perry
North laurel
Johnson
Belfry.
:Sad04:
1-6 ...2-5 at best

There will be people with three and four faces instead of two in the community.
Good luck but this may have turned into the toughest job in the state from a coaches standpoint.

Maybe we just need to take next year off!!

A sack is a run goober.

You're the ONLY one who picked up on that. Perhaps your brain really IS running at 35%!! I'm impressed.

[Hogsnot]

congrats to H C and to coach Creech.

[pjdoug]

First of all nobody knows why he quit. Do you? No you dont. How do you know he wont be a good coach and have success? Get off run left larkeys jock long enough to give the man a chance. If you dont want to support the team then dont im sure nobody really cares. everyone wants to compare him to ole' run left but as far as everyone can tell ole run left wasnt fired for this guy. Do you know why run left was fired? Nope we dont. But heres the thing I bet back in the day someone was saying who is this larkey guy. Everyone starts somewhere, might as well see what the man can do. Ole run left is gone. Get over it.

:Clap:

[pjdoug]

As long as he knows the forward pass is a legal play, it will be an improvement.

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