[Shogun]

It's now gone from war plans to not war plans but classified, from classified to not classified but sensitive, now to controlled unclassified whatever the hell that is. It's not a nothing burger but it is time to learn from it and move on. But of course the Dems won't because it's all they got; they can't talk about their policies because the vast majority of the population hates them.

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

That's fine I was just trying to explain how the classifications work. DoDM 5200.45 is the governing guideline for classifications if you're interested.

I'm not a Democrat so the what-aboutisms don't really mean anything to me and they shouldn't really have anything to do with this situation. For what it's worth I'm a GWOT veteran and I don't think you'll find many if any of us that will say things like Benghazi or the Afghanistan withdrawal were no big deal. This is definitely not a nothing burger though and the administration should take this one on the chin and fix it. The initial leaks weren't really a problem for me, but this one is the one that is a problem. These are details that should have been at least at the Secret level, and the "We are currently clean on OPSEC" comment when an unauthorized person was in the chat group is just amazing.
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[Hoot Gibson]

It's now gone from war plans to not war plans but classified, from classified to not classified but sensitive, now to controlled unclassified whatever the hell that is. It's not a nothing burger but it is time to learn from it and move on. But of course the Dems won't because it's all they got; they can't talk about their policies because the vast majority of the population hates them.

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

Also, there has to be a better way to control who is in the chat than "Hey, somebody tag JG."

There is a better way. In Teams, you can create a team, and then select its members. Nobody who is not a member can access the chats or documents that the team uploads to the server. As long as you do not discuss classified information or upload classified documents, there is no security issue. Everything is encrypted.

If there is "spillage" of classified material onto devices or servers connected to the NIPR network, then those devices are usually wiped clean and reimaged. The rules are simple, don't open classified documents, don't delete them, and don't copy them. Report the spillage and let someone else deal with with the issue.

I've had spillage reported to me a couple of times and I was very careful to report the incidents up through the chain of command and avoid opening any files containing classified material. It's no fun to lose all your data from your laptop as part of a spillage cleanup.

[Shogun]

It's now gone from war plans to not war plans but classified, from classified to not classified but sensitive, now to controlled unclassified whatever the hell that is. It's not a nothing burger but it is time to learn from it and move on. But of course the Dems won't because it's all they got; they can't talk about their policies because the vast majority of the population hates them.

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

Also, there has to be a better way to control who is in the chat than "Hey, somebody tag JG."

There is a better way. In Teams, you can create a team, and then select its members. Nobody who is not a member can access the chats or documents that the team uploads to the server. As long as you do not discuss classified information or upload classified documents, there is no security issue. Everything is encrypted.

If there is "spillage" of classified material onto devices or servers connected to the NIPR network, then those devices are usually wiped clean and reimaged. The rules are simple, don't open classified documents, don't delete them, and don't copy them. Report the spillage and let someone else deal with with the issue.

I've had spillage reported to me a couple of times and I was very careful to report the incidents up through the chain of command and avoid opening any files containing classified material. It's no fun to lose all your data from your laptop as part of a spillage cleanup.

Yeah I've been in a few briefings where some poor bastard will walk into the SCIF forgetting that their cellphone is in their pocket. By the time they realize, it's too late and their phone gets destroyed. Also had to deal with a troop who thought it was a good idea to plug his cellphone into his NIPR computer's USB port to charge it. 5 minutes later Cyber is calling and everyone in the office's day is ruined.

[TD Hounds]

It's now gone from war plans to not war plans but classified, from classified to not classified but sensitive, now to controlled unclassified whatever the hell that is. It's not a nothing burger but it is time to learn from it and move on. But of course the Dems won't because it's all they got; they can't talk about their policies because the vast majority of the population hates them.

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

Also, there has to be a better way to control who is in the chat than "Hey, somebody tag JG."

There is a better way. In Teams, you can create a team, and then select its members. Nobody who is not a member can access the chats or documents that the team uploads to the server. As long as you do not discuss classified information or upload classified documents, there is no security issue. Everything is encrypted.

If there is "spillage" of classified material onto devices or servers connected to the NIPR network, then those devices are usually wiped clean and reimaged. The rules are simple, don't open classified documents, don't delete them, and don't copy them. Report the spillage and let someone else deal with with the issue.

I've had spillage reported to me a couple of times and I was very careful to report the incidents up through the chain of command and avoid opening any files containing classified material. It's no fun to lose all your data from your laptop as part of a spillage cleanup.

Yeah I've been in a few briefings where some poor bastard will walk into the SCIF forgetting that their cellphone is in their pocket. By the time they realize, it's too late and their phone gets destroyed. Also had to deal with a troop who thought it was a good idea to plug his cellphone into his NIPR computer's USB port to charge it. 5 minutes later Cyber is calling and everyone in the office's day is ruined.

Thank You and Hoot for your continued service to our country, not sure either of you hear that as much as you should…

[Hoot Gibson]

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

Also, there has to be a better way to control who is in the chat than "Hey, somebody tag JG."

There is a better way. In Teams, you can create a team, and then select its members. Nobody who is not a member can access the chats or documents that the team uploads to the server. As long as you do not discuss classified information or upload classified documents, there is no security issue. Everything is encrypted.

If there is "spillage" of classified material onto devices or servers connected to the NIPR network, then those devices are usually wiped clean and reimaged. The rules are simple, don't open classified documents, don't delete them, and don't copy them. Report the spillage and let someone else deal with with the issue.

I've had spillage reported to me a couple of times and I was very careful to report the incidents up through the chain of command and avoid opening any files containing classified material. It's no fun to lose all your data from your laptop as part of a spillage cleanup.

Yeah I've been in a few briefings where some poor bastard will walk into the SCIF forgetting that their cellphone is in their pocket. By the time they realize, it's too late and their phone gets destroyed. Also had to deal with a troop who thought it was a good idea to plug his cellphone into his NIPR computer's USB port to charge it. 5 minutes later Cyber is calling and everyone in the office's day is ruined.

Thank You and Hoot for your continued service to our country, not sure either of you hear that as much as you should…

Just to be clear, I have not served in our military. I have had the privilege of actively working in support of our men and women in uniform for the past 15 years, but I am in no more danger  of dying in battle than anybody else who lives near Washington, DC.

I have nothing but respect for those who have been deployed to war zones and for those who are willing to deploy on a moment's notice.

[TheRealThing]

I served during the Vietnam War Era in Spain, Italy, Germany, Thailand, Korea, and Vietnam, among others. I have a West Pointer friend who rather recently retired from the Army, and who tells me the state of readiness of the US Armed Services has deteriorated substantially from its once lofty heights.

Somewhere between the 'woke' and the braindead mommas boys lies what is left of the US battle tested  fighting force. Pete Hegseth is a good man and a good soldier who has been been nominated and confirmed to his cabinet post in order to try and-right-the-ship. And though capable, he has a big job to do. His detractors, whether they be the trolls who frequent this forum to find their imagined relevance or DC Democrats; (shocker) are being completely dishonest for purely political purposes. 

Military readiness to them means in time of war we will just email Xi an order for nuclear subs, tanks and aircraft carriers. Oh and let's not forget ammunition. But hey, not to worry. If China's fleet shows up on our doorstep we'll just send out Bill Maher Whoopie Goldberg and General Milley to talk to them.

[Shogun]

I served during the Vietnam War Era in Spain, Italy, Germany, Thailand, Korea, and Vietnam, among others. I have a West Pointer friend who rather recently retired from the Army, and who tells me the state of readiness of the US Armed Services has deteriorated substantially from its once lofty heights.

Somewhere between the 'woke' and the braindead mommas boys lies what is left of the US battle tested  fighting force. Pete Hegseth is a good man and a good soldier who has been been nominated and confirmed to his cabinet post in order to try and-right-the-ship. And though capable, he has a big job to do. His detractors, whether they be the trolls who frequent this forum to find their imagined relevance or DC Democrats; (shocker) are being completely dishonest for purely political purposes. 

Military readiness to them means in time of war we will just email Xi an order for nuclear subs, tanks and aircraft carriers. Oh and let's not forget ammunition. But hey, not to worry. If China's fleet shows up on our doorstep we'll just send out Bill Maher Whoopie Goldberg and General Milley to talk to them.

I'm not a Hegseth detractor. Much like with Trump, while I may disagree with some of their political views, I want what is best for our country and will support them if they feel they are making the decisions necessary to do so.

My issue with this situation, aside from the potential for confidential information to find its way into the hands of our adversaries, is the double standard. You served, so you know well that if an enlisted person or even a CGO had done this, heads would roll. I'm not calling for Hegseth's resignation, but for this administration you can't push for harsher penalties on the handling of classified material as 45 to try to nab Hillary, and then act like what happened this go around is no big deal as 47. The whole administration would have been better off if they had just admitted that they made a mistake on this one and that they were going to ensure no classified discussions would take place through unauthorized channels moving forward. While the situation and platform were different, we just sent an enlisted airman away for 15 years for sharing classified information on Discord. Acting like Signal-gate is no big deal leaves cases like Teixeira's up for interpretation. They aren't, the rules are clearly stated and he deserves the 15 years he's getting.

[jetpilot]

I'm glad Hegseth isn't going anywhere. He has a big job fixing the military that was turned into a world laughingstock by the last administration.
Also nobody fired for Afghanistan, Benghazi and 100 other fiascoes.
Also Teixeira not a good comparison. (Another) conservative prosecuted by the Biden DOJ. If he got 15 years why didn't Hillary get 100 years for having the illegal server that every county on Earth hacked, + deleting 33,000 emails and destroying hard drives?

[Shogun]

I'm glad Hegseth isn't going anywhere. He has a big job fixing the military that was turned into a world laughingstock by the last administration.
Also nobody fired for Afghanistan, Benghazi and 100 other fiascoes.
Also Teixeira not a good comparison. (Another) conservative prosecuted by the Biden DOJ. If he got 15 years why didn't Hillary get 100 years for having the illegal server that every county on Earth hacked, + deleting 33,000 emails and destroying hard drives?

Nah, Teixeira needed to be made example of. Best case he set the intelligence community back a few years, worst case he actually got people killed in Ukraine by disseminating information on troop movements. With a perpetually online society and the increasing desire for people today to chase "internet clout", a message needed to be sent to the entire US military that these are the consequences for failing to protect national secrets. Whether you are Edward Snowden and feel like (right or wrong) you are doing the moral thing, or Teixeira and just looking for some likes in a chat room, you should face the same consequences for violating your oath to defend the United States and protect national intelligence.

Again, the "what about so-and-so" arguments don't really mean anything to me. Yes Hillary should have had to answer for the emails and servers, but everyone in that Signal group had a responsibility as custodians of classified information and should have to answer for their failures to protect that information as well. These rules are clearly written, there should be no doubt as to right and wrong, but because of the politics of it all it muddies everything up on the legal side.

[jetpilot]

I'm glad Hegseth isn't going anywhere. He has a big job fixing the military that was turned into a world laughingstock by the last administration.
Also nobody fired for Afghanistan, Benghazi and 100 other fiascoes.
Also Teixeira not a good comparison. (Another) conservative prosecuted by the Biden DOJ. If he got 15 years why didn't Hillary get 100 years for having the illegal server that every county on Earth hacked, + deleting 33,000 emails and destroying hard drives?

Nah, Teixeira needed to be made example of. Best case he set the intelligence community back a few years, worst case he actually got people killed in Ukraine by disseminating information on troop movements. With a perpetually online society and the increasing desire for people today to chase "internet clout", a message needed to be sent to the entire US military that these are the consequences for failing to protect national secrets. Whether you are Edward Snowden and feel like (right or wrong) you are doing the moral thing, or Teixeira and just looking for some likes in a chat room, you should face the same consequences for violating your oath to defend the United States and protect national intelligence.

Again, the "what about so-and-so" arguments don't really mean anything to me. Yes Hillary should have had to answer for the emails and servers, but everyone in that Signal group had a responsibility as custodians of classified information and should have to answer for their failures to protect that information as well. These rules are clearly written, there should be no doubt as to right and wrong, but because of the politics of it all it muddies everything up on the legal side.

First one is a huge LOLOLOL! Where have you been the last 16 years? This is a five-alarm fire and not a peep about all the never ending fiascoes? I call BS on that HS. Our intelligence community is mostly corrupt and incompetent.

Second is long as "so-and-so" is a Dem it seems. Anyway my final point is I'm glad Hegseth is staying to help fix our military which was made into a worldwide laughingstock by the last utterly corrupt and incompetent administration. And all the people going nuts who haven't had any complaints under Obama and Biden admins who are suddenly alarmed makes me laugh. Case closed.

[jetpilot]

Anyone know why libtards are so "angry and scared" over "Signalgate" but didn't give a shit about Benghazi or Afghanistan or Hillary's illegal server or 100 other Dem catastrophes? Because most of them are a combination of dishonest, low IQ and brainwashed.

[jetpilot]

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The Iran-backed Houthi Terrorists have been decimated by the relentless strikes over the past two weeks. Many of their Fighters and Leaders are no longer with us. We hit them every day and night — Harder and harder. Their capabilities that threaten Shipping and the Region are rapidly being destroyed. Our attacks will continue until they are no longer a threat to Freedom of Navigation. The choice for the Houthis is clear: Stop shooting at U.S. ships, and we will stop shooting at you. Otherwise, we have only just begun, and the real pain is yet to come, for both the Houthis and their sponsors in Iran.

[jetpilot]

^^^This is what is really happening, Trump fixing a huge problem that the last administration did nothing about. Anyone who tries to tell you Trump is making Americans less safe is a brainwashed idiot or a liar.

[Shogun]

I’ve had nothing but respectful discussion in this thread but you are literally incapable of respectful discourse. I never once made any sort of political argument in this thread nor did I ever call for the firing or resignation of anyone in the administration. I think you would find that you and I would agree on a lot of political policies, but I am not a Republican or Democrat bootlicker and will point out when something isn’t right where ever I see it. For the record, I have been a registered Independent since I turned 18 over 25 years ago, and I’ve only ever voted Democrat once. I’ll give you a hint: it wasn’t Obama, or Hillary, or Biden, or Kamala.

So the only place to take any discussion with you from here is a place of disrespect, which is where you live so I’m not going there. What I will say is try to contribute anything to the discussions in this forum other than:

1. What about when *insert Democrat* did the thing?
2. lol I’m not reading that.
3. Posting random tweets that align with your views.
4. Something something libtard.

Have a good one, buddy.

[TheRealThing]

I served during the Vietnam War Era in Spain, Italy, Germany, Thailand, Korea, and Vietnam, among others. I have a West Pointer friend who rather recently retired from the Army, and who tells me the state of readiness of the US Armed Services has deteriorated substantially from its once lofty heights.

Somewhere between the 'woke' and the braindead mommas boys lies what is left of the US battle tested  fighting force. Pete Hegseth is a good man and a good soldier who has been been nominated and confirmed to his cabinet post in order to try and-right-the-ship. And though capable, he has a big job to do. His detractors, whether they be the trolls who frequent this forum to find their imagined relevance or DC Democrats; (shocker) are being completely dishonest for purely political purposes. 

Military readiness to them means in time of war we will just email Xi an order for nuclear subs, tanks and aircraft carriers. Oh and let's not forget ammunition. But hey, not to worry. If China's fleet shows up on our doorstep we'll just send out Bill Maher Whoopie Goldberg and General Milley to talk to them.

I'm not a Hegseth detractor. Much like with Trump, while I may disagree with some of their political views, I want what is best for our country and will support them if they feel they are making the decisions necessary to do so.

My issue with this situation, aside from the potential for confidential information to find its way into the hands of our adversaries, is the double standard. You served, so you know well that if an enlisted person or even a CGO had done this, heads would roll. I'm not calling for Hegseth's resignation, but for this administration you can't push for harsher penalties on the handling of classified material as 45 to try to nab Hillary, and then act like what happened this go around is no big deal as 47. The whole administration would have been better off if they had just admitted that they made a mistake on this one and that they were going to ensure no classified discussions would take place through unauthorized channels moving forward. While the situation and platform were different, we just sent an enlisted airman away for 15 years for sharing classified information on Discord. Acting like Signal-gate is no big deal leaves cases like Teixeira's up for interpretation. They aren't, the rules are clearly stated and he deserves the 15 years he's getting.

I did serve and I can tell you this whole deal stinks of setup. General Flynn 2.0 if you ask me. The reporter in question reportedly, got his name mysteriously 'added' to the group.  I also heard reportedly, the afore mentioned action was likely another lefty dirty trick. I don't buy for one second his name being added was any sort of a mistake. I believe it was subterfuge. 

I also heard Elon Musk say DOGE is looking into how it is possible that so many multimillionaire Dems got so wealthy on 200 thousand dollars a year. To that end the resultant Dem meltdown has been a totally predictable reaction.

[Shogun]

I served during the Vietnam War Era in Spain, Italy, Germany, Thailand, Korea, and Vietnam, among others. I have a West Pointer friend who rather recently retired from the Army, and who tells me the state of readiness of the US Armed Services has deteriorated substantially from its once lofty heights.

Somewhere between the 'woke' and the braindead mommas boys lies what is left of the US battle tested  fighting force. Pete Hegseth is a good man and a good soldier who has been been nominated and confirmed to his cabinet post in order to try and-right-the-ship. And though capable, he has a big job to do. His detractors, whether they be the trolls who frequent this forum to find their imagined relevance or DC Democrats; (shocker) are being completely dishonest for purely political purposes. 

Military readiness to them means in time of war we will just email Xi an order for nuclear subs, tanks and aircraft carriers. Oh and let's not forget ammunition. But hey, not to worry. If China's fleet shows up on our doorstep we'll just send out Bill Maher Whoopie Goldberg and General Milley to talk to them.

I'm not a Hegseth detractor. Much like with Trump, while I may disagree with some of their political views, I want what is best for our country and will support them if they feel they are making the decisions necessary to do so.

My issue with this situation, aside from the potential for confidential information to find its way into the hands of our adversaries, is the double standard. You served, so you know well that if an enlisted person or even a CGO had done this, heads would roll. I'm not calling for Hegseth's resignation, but for this administration you can't push for harsher penalties on the handling of classified material as 45 to try to nab Hillary, and then act like what happened this go around is no big deal as 47. The whole administration would have been better off if they had just admitted that they made a mistake on this one and that they were going to ensure no classified discussions would take place through unauthorized channels moving forward. While the situation and platform were different, we just sent an enlisted airman away for 15 years for sharing classified information on Discord. Acting like Signal-gate is no big deal leaves cases like Teixeira's up for interpretation. They aren't, the rules are clearly stated and he deserves the 15 years he's getting.

I did serve and I can tell you this whole deal stinks of setup. General Flynn 2.0 if you ask me. The reporter in question reportedly, got his name mysteriously 'added' to the group.  I also heard reportedly, the afore mentioned action was likely another lefty dirty trick. I don't buy for one second his name being added was any sort of a mistake. I believe it was subterfuge. 

I also heard Elon Musk say DOGE is looking into how it is possible that so many multimillionaire Dems got so wealthy on 200 thousand dollars a year. To that end the resultant Dem meltdown has been a totally predictable reaction.

Oh I 100% believe that. It was no accident that the reporter was added to the chat. But whether or not it was or wasn’t, there was still classified discussion on an unapproved platform. The last several administrations have been too loose with classified information and discussions and it needs to be fixed. Like I’ve said, a precedent has to be set at the top and you’re sending a message to the entire force when you downplay these kinds of issues. I’ve been a civilian for nearly 10 years now but I still read some of the military forums and talk with friends still in. The overwhelming consensus is it would have gone a long way in the eyes of the troops if instead of deflecting and denying they just said “yes this happened, luckily no one was hurt, we’re going to fix it moving forward.”

[SEKYFAN]

If the news about Waltz and his staff using Gmail for government communications proves true, I don't see how he keeps his job.  He seems like a pretty good guy, may just be in over his head.

[Hoot Gibson]

If the news about Waltz and his staff using Gmail for government communications proves true, I don't see how he keeps his job.  He seems like a pretty good guy, may just be in over his head.

Please refresh my memory, did you ever suggest that Biden or Hillary should have lost there jobs for using private email accounts and pseudonyms to conduct government business? Did you ever suggest that Hillary should have lost her job for deliberately destroying files and emails that were subject to a subpoena? 

I apologize in advance if there are posts in this forum that suggest that you are not a colossal hypocrite, but I do not recall any such evidence.

[Old School Hound]

If the news about Waltz and his staff using Gmail for government communications proves true, I don't see how he keeps his job.  He seems like a pretty good guy, may just be in over his head.

A Trump staffer, in over his head??? Least shocking thing ever!!!