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2024 Presidential Election Electoral Vote Predictions
#31
(10-15-2024, 09:16 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-15-2024, 08:59 PM)King Kong Wrote: I'll be voting for Trump. And if that throws me into a category of a cult member, then,  whoop deeee frigging dooooo!!!! Smile

Heck a cult member is kinda mild compared to other things I've been called, Through out the course of my life  Wink

I might just know a thing or two about cults  Woah

In my life,  I've been involved in many cults.  Both as a leader and a follower. 
You make more money as a leader. 
You have more fun as a follower. 

The above was quoted by Creed Bratton,  from The Office! Big Grin Big Grin

In all honesty I don't fully understand the electoral college.  Democrats have more registered voters.  So as a Republican,  I'm kinda glad it exists.  Seems Democrats always win on the popular vote. 

I don't understand how Kentucky is only worth,  what 8 votes? Seems like most of the Southern states are worth less votes,  than the Northern.  A lot of our battle ground states are worth more votes.  

I recently traveled near Columbus Ohio.  We took the back roads.  The rural country areas.  Trump and Vance signs everywhere.  I thought at first,  Trump's gonna run away with Ohio.  Then I remembered the big cities in Ohio.  Harris is almost sure to take those,  imo.

Same way with Kentucky.  Trump will take the rural areas,  Harris the big cities.  That's been something most Republican Governor candidates hasn't been able to overcome. 

We all know to take the polls with a grain of salt.  In 16 Hillary was running away with it according to the polls.  Trump took that election. 

In 20 Trump was running away with the polls.  Biden took that one. 

Now in 24 as a Trump supporter,  based on the polls from the past two elections,  I'd rather Trump to be behind.  I'd rather the polls show him being blown outta the water at the moment! I'd feel a little better come election day  Wink
Creed is my favorite Office character. I also liked the episode where he walked into a murder mystery game, excused himself to go to the restroom, and then drove off the parking lot instead. He is the ultimate character with a shady past. Another great Creed exchange was when a woman from corporate was making the rounds and asked him what his job was. He was completely stumped by the question because he doesn't do any productive work. He's kind of like Kamala in that regard.
Creed asked who is this woman?!

Then he proceeds to ask the camera crew,  what do I do here   Big Grin

That show has politics in it.  Angela marrying a state senator.  Then Oscar running for state senator towards the end  Big Grin

Michael losing it when he read the newspaper article that said,  China was on the move! Which turned into a debate about China between him and Oscar lol
#32
I believe my prediction of the Electoral College vote may have been too conservative. When you compare how Trump stood in the polls in 2016 and 2020, he is performing much better at this time in the campaign and he seems to be building momentum. No Republican is going to carry California, New York, Massachusetts in a presidential election in the foreseeable future, but if Kamala does not make a dramatic improvement in her campaign very soon, the election could get very ugly for her. Trump is leading in every battleground state if you exclude September polling results from the averages. Also, Kamala is behaving like a candidate who is getting desperate, which may be evidence that the rumors that her internal polling numbers has her campaign spooked may be true.

Fox News' Bret Baier will be conducting a 30-minute interview of Kamala Harris at 6 PM this evening with no commercial breaks. I hope Baier does not conduct a disappointing interview and let her milk the clock explaining that she grew up in a middle class home and her mother worked hard to raise her and her sister..., and similar stall tactics.
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#33
Baier will be friendly. Fox News is giving her a huge gift. All her friendly interviews have been disasters and this will be a chance for her to clean it up somewhat. Still doubt she picks up voters from Fox viewers but the lib media outlets will spin it to hell and back in an effort to make her look good.
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#34
(10-16-2024, 12:32 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I believe my prediction of the Electoral College vote may have been too conservative. When you compare how Trump stood in the polls in 2016 and 2020, he is performing much better at this time in the campaign and he seems to be building momentum. No Republican is going to carry California, New York, Massachusetts in a presidential election in the foreseeable future, but if Kamala does not make a dramatic improvement in her campaign very soon, the election could get very ugly for her. Trump is leading in every battleground state if you exclude September polling results from the averages. Also, Kamala is behaving like a candidate who is getting desperate, which may be evidence that the rumors that her internal polling numbers has her campaign spooked may be true.

Fox News' Bret Baier will be conducting a 30-minute interview of Kamala Harris at 6 PM this evening with no commercial breaks. I hope Baier does not conduct a disappointing interview and let her milk the clock explaining that she grew up in a middle class home and her mother worked hard to raise her and her sister..., and similar stall tactics.

I heard that she is planning on dancing to the music for 39 minutes or so to eat up some of the clock. Cool

I don't put much stock in the polls, but the pollsters claim they have built in an algorithm to better calculate for Trump voters than in the past when calculating their polls.  The large increase toward Harris in the Independents polling was surprising.
#35
(10-16-2024, 05:57 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(10-16-2024, 12:32 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I believe my prediction of the Electoral College vote may have been too conservative. When you compare how Trump stood in the polls in 2016 and 2020, he is performing much better at this time in the campaign and he seems to be building momentum. No Republican is going to carry California, New York, Massachusetts in a presidential election in the foreseeable future, but if Kamala does not make a dramatic improvement in her campaign very soon, the election could get very ugly for her. Trump is leading in every battleground state if you exclude September polling results from the averages. Also, Kamala is behaving like a candidate who is getting desperate, which may be evidence that the rumors that her internal polling numbers has her campaign spooked may be true.

Fox News' Bret Baier will be conducting a 30-minute interview of Kamala Harris at 6 PM this evening with no commercial breaks. I hope Baier does not conduct a disappointing interview and let her milk the clock explaining that she grew up in a middle class home and her mother worked hard to raise her and her sister..., and similar stall tactics.

I heard that she is planning on dancing to the music for 39 minutes or so to eat up some of the clock. Cool

I don't put much stock in the polls, but the pollsters claim they have built in an algorithm to better calculate for Trump voters than in the past when calculating their polls.  The large increase toward Harris in the Independents polling was surprising.
Kamala danced, dodged, and weaved but there was no music. She was hit with some tough questions but she was obviously not well prepared.
#36
I will say that the music thing and the grooving to the music for 40 minutes was one of the oddest things I've seen in politics in awhile. And that's saying something. Strange.

According to the Five Thirty-Eight model, Harris continues to widen her EC margin. The 538 Algorithm currently has Harris at 278 and Trump at 260. It gives Harris a 55.6% chance of winning the presidency and Trump a 44.1% chance. Harris has a 18% chance of wining in a landslide( > 350 EC votes) , while Trump has just a 3% chance of winning in a landslide.
#37
I think 538's algorithm is not accounting for the intangibles that Kamala brings to this race. There has never been a candidate with the credibility issues that Harris has. There are reasons that Kamala has never won a single delegate in a primary election and it required a bait and switch to get her into the game. She is a one of one that no algorithm can account for.
#38
(10-16-2024, 09:48 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-16-2024, 05:57 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote:
(10-16-2024, 12:32 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I believe my prediction of the Electoral College vote may have been too conservative. When you compare how Trump stood in the polls in 2016 and 2020, he is performing much better at this time in the campaign and he seems to be building momentum. No Republican is going to carry California, New York, Massachusetts in a presidential election in the foreseeable future, but if Kamala does not make a dramatic improvement in her campaign very soon, the election could get very ugly for her. Trump is leading in every battleground state if you exclude September polling results from the averages. Also, Kamala is behaving like a candidate who is getting desperate, which may be evidence that the rumors that her internal polling numbers has her campaign spooked may be true.

Fox News' Bret Baier will be conducting a 30-minute interview of Kamala Harris at 6 PM this evening with no commercial breaks. I hope Baier does not conduct a disappointing interview and let her milk the clock explaining that she grew up in a middle class home and her mother worked hard to raise her and her sister..., and similar stall tactics.

I heard that she is planning on dancing to the music for 39 minutes or so to eat up some of the clock. Cool

I don't put much stock in the polls, but the pollsters claim they have built in an algorithm to better calculate for Trump voters than in the past when calculating their polls.  The large increase toward Harris in the Independents polling was surprising.
Kamala danced, dodged, and weaved but there was no music. She was hit with some tough questions but she was obviously not well prepared.
There is no way in Hell Fox would treat Trump like they did Harris. Fox has even had some of their entertainers campaigned on stage with Trump. They even paid almost $800 million for lying for Trump. And potentially on the hook for another $2.6 Billion for lying for Trump. You can do better than this Hoot. Not counting the staged town hall Fox put on eary in the same day come on Hoot.

#39
Thanks for your input, vector. It's hard to explain the inability of Harris to answer simple questions, but you can always be counted on for a good distraction.
#40
(10-17-2024, 08:08 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Thanks for your input, vector. It's hard to explain the inability of Harris to answer simple questions, but you can always be counted on for a good distraction.
What distraction Hoot is the TRUTH now a distraction for MAGA now?
Please explain what the distraction you are crying about?


Fair and Balance come on Hoot

https://whdh.com/news/fox-news-did-not-d...upporters/
#41
(10-17-2024, 08:18 AM)Maga Nuts Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 08:08 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Thanks for your input, vector. It's hard to explain the inability of Harris to answer simple questions, but you can always be counted on for a good distraction.
What distraction Hoot is the TRUTH now a distraction for MAGA now?
Please explain what the distraction you are crying about?
The distraction is your post about Trump. Did you even watch Kamala's stumbling, bumbling performance last night? Bret Baier had nothing to do with her shallow attempts to evade answering questions. Trump and his surrogates face hostile interviewers all the time. I agree that Fox played a huge g role in Trump's 2016 election, but Kamala was solely responsible for not being prepared last night. This is not 2016.
#42
(10-17-2024, 08:29 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 08:18 AM)Maga Nuts Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 08:08 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Thanks for your input, vector. It's hard to explain the inability of Harris to answer simple questions, but you can always be counted on for a good distraction.
What distraction Hoot is the TRUTH now a distraction for MAGA now?
Please explain what the distraction you are crying about?
The distraction is your post about Trump. Did you even watch Kamala's stumbling, bumbling performance last night? Bret Baier had nothing to do with her shallow attempts to evade answering questions. Trump and his surrogates face hostile interviewers all the time. I agree that Fox played a huge g role in Trump's 2016 election, but Kamala was solely responsible for not being prepared last night. This is not 2016.
I watch Bret talking over when you know, and I know he would never treat Trump that way. I believe he was afraid of losing his job.
When you have a so-called news station having some of their major entertainers campaigning on stage with Trump and Lying for Trump paying perhaps millions or billions of dollars for lying for Trump. You have to do better than just a distraction. 


Fox News Pays $787.5M in Largest Ever Defamation Settlement with Dominion Voting Systems (foxdominionnews.com)


Fox Corp. must face Smartmatic's $2.7 billion defamation suit (nbcnews.com)
#43
Dodge and distract. Classic vector posts. What did Baier do that prevented Kamala from answering his questions? The questions were not that difficult. You could answer that question honestly if you wanted to, but you won't.

Trump bashing is not going to win the election for Harris. She is the incumbent and she has a record to defend. Turning the page is a stupid slogan for a person who is nearing the end of a four-year term as VP.
#44
LOL to people who think their "news" sources tell the truth and everything else is a lie. Just lol.
#45
Don't believe your own eyes and ears, Kamala is the smartest person in the room lol.
#46
That has got to be a very small room.
#47
(10-17-2024, 08:54 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Dodge and distract. Classic vector posts. What did Baier do that prevented Kamala from answering his questions? The questions were not that difficult. You could answer that question honestly if you wanted to, but you won't.

Trump bashing is not going to win the election for Harris. She is the incumbent and she has a record to defend. Turning the page is a stupid slogan for a person who is nearing the end of a four-year term as VP.
Bret would not let her answer the questions, there's no way Bret would treat Trump that way. And you know that Hoot. Trump is their cash cow they seen that after the 2020 election they said he lost then the reversed course and said it was stolen after their viewers started to jump ship.
And you can look at someone with a straight face that Fox would treat Trump the way.
Fox would fire Bret in a heartbeat.

There's no way you can talk to the Wet one he is too far up Trumps rearend it looks like Trump has 4 legs.
#48
(10-17-2024, 09:57 AM)Maga Nuts Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 08:54 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Dodge and distract. Classic vector posts. What did Baier do that prevented Kamala from answering his questions? The questions were not that difficult. You could answer that question honestly if you wanted to, but you won't.

Trump bashing is not going to win the election for Harris. She is the incumbent and she has a record to defend. Turning the page is a stupid slogan for a person who is nearing the end of a four-year term as VP.
Bret would not let her answer the questions, there's no way Bret would treat Trump that way. And you know that Hoot. Trump is their cash cow they seen that after the 2020 election they said he lost then the reversed course and said it was stolen after their viewers started to jump ship.
And you can look at someone with a straight face that Fox would treat Trump the way.
Fox would fire Bret in a heartbeat.

There's no way you can talk to the Wet one he is too far up Trumps rearend it looks like Trump has 4 legs.
Brett did nothing to prevent her from answering his questions. He had no choice but to interrupt her attempts to filibuster. He would never have been able to ask his second question if he had not interrupted. You keep Trump bashing instead of addressing Kamala's awful performance.
#49
(10-17-2024, 10:05 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 09:57 AM)Maga Nuts Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 08:54 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Dodge and distract. Classic vector posts. What did Baier do that prevented Kamala from answering his questions? The questions were not that difficult. You could answer that question honestly if you wanted to, but you won't.

Trump bashing is not going to win the election for Harris. She is the incumbent and she has a record to defend. Turning the page is a stupid slogan for a person who is nearing the end of a four-year term as VP.
Bret would not let her answer the questions, there's no way Bret would treat Trump that way. And you know that Hoot. Trump is their cash cow they seen that after the 2020 election they said he lost then the reversed course and said it was stolen after their viewers started to jump ship.
And you can look at someone with a straight face that Fox would treat Trump the way.
Fox would fire Bret in a heartbeat.

There's no way you can talk to the Wet one he is too far up Trumps rearend it looks like Trump has 4 legs.
Brett did nothing to prevent her from answering his questions. He had no choice but to interrupt her attempts to filibuster. He would never have been able to ask his second question if he had not interrupted. You keep Trump bashing instead of addressing Kamala's awful performance.
You need to watch it again Hoot Bret was afraid to lose his job that's why he treated her that way. Now do you believe Fox would treat Trump the same way since you have been dodging that question all morning?
Fox held a town hall yesterday just for women but filled the audience up with MAGA women.
Come on Hoot get real.

If you don't think FOX is the mouthpiece for Trump, then you are also right beside the Wet one with your legs hanging out.

This is the review Bret was trying to get probably saved his job.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...82d6&ei=27
#50
This has been a very interesting thread to read, I have always been curious about the electoral votes as well, never fully understood the process behind that, was good to get some insight.

As for this election, it's by far the most important one in this country's history. I am never the one to jump in the conversation when it comes to politics, my dad is a part of local politics, and you think the political game at the highest level is a shitshow, come to Floyd Co for a few days and you'll get a real glimpse of the corruption, as is in most local areas around here. It's truly sad there is so much division in this country, that people can't have (or some even form) their own opinion without getting blasted by someone else. It's ok to disagree, there's nothing wrong with that, I have several disagreements with people every day, some family even but I am not going to tear them down one side and up the other just bc we don't have matching political views/beliefs.

I hope that everyone exercises their right to vote on Nov. 5.
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#51
Oh STAT!! Don't think for a moment that Floyd County is any worse than the other southeastern counties! I used to work for our state representative, and that turned me off politics FOREVER!!!! I don't have first hand knowledge of Floyd Co politics, and I don't want to, but I firmly believe our county leads the climb up the bull cookie ladder!
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#52
She dodged on a couple of questions, but she held her own for the most part. I have to giver her props for agreeing to go on Fox knowing that the questions would be difficult and the environment hostile. The other candidate doesn't have the guts to go on MSNBC and face the heat.

I talked to a couple of undecided voters today who were pretty strongly leaning towards Trump last week that are now leaning towards Harris after watching her and Trump both this week. Her biggest obstacle to overcome is there are a whole lot of people, mainly men, who have a real problem in voting for a woman, let alone one of mixed race.
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#53
(10-17-2024, 04:57 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote: She dodged on a couple of questions, but she held her own for the most part.  I have to giver her props for agreeing to go on Fox knowing that the questions would be difficult and the environment hostile.  The other candidate doesn't have the guts to go on MSNBC and face the heat.

I talked to a couple of undecided voters today who were pretty strongly leaning towards Trump last week that are now leaning towards Harris after watching her and Trump both this week.  Her biggest obstacle to overcome is there are a whole lot of people, mainly men, who have a real problem in voting for a woman, let alone one of mixed race.

We might not like to admit it but I do believe there is some real truth to this. There are some men who will never vote for a woman to be president. And a mixed race woman makes her a two (or three) time loser to those men.

(10-17-2024, 06:44 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I think 538's algorithm is not accounting for the intangibles that Kamala brings to this race. There has never been a candidate with the credibility issues that Harris has. There are reasons that Kamala has never won a single delegate in a primary election and it required a bait and switch to get her into the game. She is a one of one that no algorithm can account for.

I'm a big believer in the importance of intangibles in sports. Analytics can't account for those intangibles. But intangibles win and lose a lot of games. So, intangibles in politics can't be overlooked. Good point, Hoot. We'll just have to see which candidate's intangibles are most costly to him/her.
#54
I see where Trump backed out of a event held by the NRA all he has to do is dance for them for about 30 minutes.
#55
(10-17-2024, 05:33 PM)Maga Nuts Wrote: I see where Trump backed out of a event held by the NRA all he has to do is dance for them for about 30 minutes.


He's doing more dancing than talking recently. I think those around him realize that his mind is quickly failing him. He needs to do what Biden did and step aside for the good of the country and allow a true conservative to run against Harris. Liz Cheney would be a much , much better candidate for that party.
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#56
(10-17-2024, 05:24 PM)Old School Hound Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 04:57 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote: She dodged on a couple of questions, but she held her own for the most part.  I have to giver her props for agreeing to go on Fox knowing that the questions would be difficult and the environment hostile.  The other candidate doesn't have the guts to go on MSNBC and face the heat.

I talked to a couple of undecided voters today who were pretty strongly leaning towards Trump last week that are now leaning towards Harris after watching her and Trump both this week.  Her biggest obstacle to overcome is there are a whole lot of people, mainly men, who have a real problem in voting for a woman, let alone one of mixed race.

We might not like to admit it but I do believe there is some real truth to this. There are some men who will never vote for a woman to be president. And a mixed race woman makes her a two (or three) time loser to those men.

(10-17-2024, 06:44 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I think 538's algorithm is not accounting for the intangibles that Kamala brings to this race. There has never been a candidate with the credibility issues that Harris has. There are reasons that Kamala has never won a single delegate in a primary election and it required a bait and switch to get her into the game. She is a one of one that no algorithm can account for.

I'm a big believer in the importance of intangibles in sports. Analytics can't account for those intangibles. But intangibles win and lose a lot of games. So, intangibles in politics can't be overlooked. Good point, Hoot. We'll just have to see which candidate's intangibles are most costly to him/her.
I realized when I read your response that I did my meaning across as I intended. Kamala does not have the least credibility of any candidate in history, but she does have some severe credibility problems. I don't remember which presidential campaign absolutely wore out the word "gravitas," but her lack of gravitas is as big an issue for her as credibility. 

Like him or hate him, Trump is a former president and none of the liberal doomsday predictions came true. We survived and we thrived until the pandemic dragged down the economy, and even then, he (regrettably) supported most, if not all of the extreme measures of pushed by Anthony Fauci. Trump and other former presidents earned some gravitas points simply be surviving four years or more as president. Being a VP/Immigration Czar who never even visited the southern border until recently has not, been as George W. Bush would say the "decider."

Harris has also not been vetted by the primary process. If zero committed delegates constitutes "vetting," then Kamala failed miserably.

These are a few reasons that I do not believe that tweaking a polling algorithm will be as accurate in her case as it would be for a traditional candidate with a more extensive track record. I do not believe that most voters will believe that any Kamala action has had any impact on stock market indices, and the state of the economy is usually an important part of presidential election models.
#57
(10-17-2024, 10:11 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 05:24 PM)Old School Hound Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 04:57 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote: She dodged on a couple of questions, but she held her own for the most part.  I have to giver her props for agreeing to go on Fox knowing that the questions would be difficult and the environment hostile.  The other candidate doesn't have the guts to go on MSNBC and face the heat.

I talked to a couple of undecided voters today who were pretty strongly leaning towards Trump last week that are now leaning towards Harris after watching her and Trump both this week.  Her biggest obstacle to overcome is there are a whole lot of people, mainly men, who have a real problem in voting for a woman, let alone one of mixed race.

We might not like to admit it but I do believe there is some real truth to this. There are some men who will never vote for a woman to be president. And a mixed race woman makes her a two (or three) time loser to those men.

(10-17-2024, 06:44 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I think 538's algorithm is not accounting for the intangibles that Kamala brings to this race. There has never been a candidate with the credibility issues that Harris has. There are reasons that Kamala has never won a single delegate in a primary election and it required a bait and switch to get her into the game. She is a one of one that no algorithm can account for.

I'm a big believer in the importance of intangibles in sports. Analytics can't account for those intangibles. But intangibles win and lose a lot of games. So, intangibles in politics can't be overlooked. Good point, Hoot. We'll just have to see which candidate's intangibles are most costly to him/her.
I realized when I read your response that I did my meaning across as I intended. Kamala does not have the least credibility of any candidate in history, but she does have some severe credibility problems. I don't remember which presidential campaign absolutely wore out the word "gravitas," but her lack of gravitas is as big an issue for her as credibility. 

Like him or hate him, Trump is a former president and none of the liberal doomsday predictions came true. We survived and we thrived until the pandemic dragged down the economy, and even then, he (regrettably) supported most, if not all of the extreme measures of pushed by Anthony Fauci. Trump and other former presidents earned some gravitas points simply be surviving four years or more as president. Being a VP/Immigration Czar who never even visited the southern border until recently has not, been as George W. Bush would say the "decider."

Harris has also not been vetted by the primary process. If zero committed delegates constitutes "vetting," then Kamala failed miserably.

These are a few reasons that I do not believe that tweaking a polling algorithm will be as accurate in her case as it would be for a traditional candidate with a more extensive track record. I do not believe that most voters will believe that any Kamala action has had any impact on stock market indices, and the state of the economy is usually an important part of presidential election models.
I see where Bret admits he had the wrong clip played in the interview with the next President Harris. Told you Bret was afraid of losing his job.
#58
(10-18-2024, 10:38 AM)Maga Nuts Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 10:11 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 05:24 PM)Old School Hound Wrote:
(10-17-2024, 04:57 PM)SEKYFAN Wrote: She dodged on a couple of questions, but she held her own for the most part.  I have to giver her props for agreeing to go on Fox knowing that the questions would be difficult and the environment hostile.  The other candidate doesn't have the guts to go on MSNBC and face the heat.

I talked to a couple of undecided voters today who were pretty strongly leaning towards Trump last week that are now leaning towards Harris after watching her and Trump both this week.  Her biggest obstacle to overcome is there are a whole lot of people, mainly men, who have a real problem in voting for a woman, let alone one of mixed race.

We might not like to admit it but I do believe there is some real truth to this. There are some men who will never vote for a woman to be president. And a mixed race woman makes her a two (or three) time loser to those men.

(10-17-2024, 06:44 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I think 538's algorithm is not accounting for the intangibles that Kamala brings to this race. There has never been a candidate with the credibility issues that Harris has. There are reasons that Kamala has never won a single delegate in a primary election and it required a bait and switch to get her into the game. She is a one of one that no algorithm can account for.

I'm a big believer in the importance of intangibles in sports. Analytics can't account for those intangibles. But intangibles win and lose a lot of games. So, intangibles in politics can't be overlooked. Good point, Hoot. We'll just have to see which candidate's intangibles are most costly to him/her.
I realized when I read your response that I did my meaning across as I intended. Kamala does not have the least credibility of any candidate in history, but she does have some severe credibility problems. I don't remember which presidential campaign absolutely wore out the word "gravitas," but her lack of gravitas is as big an issue for her as credibility. 

Like him or hate him, Trump is a former president and none of the liberal doomsday predictions came true. We survived and we thrived until the pandemic dragged down the economy, and even then, he (regrettably) supported most, if not all of the extreme measures of pushed by Anthony Fauci. Trump and other former presidents earned some gravitas points simply be surviving four years or more as president. Being a VP/Immigration Czar who never even visited the southern border until recently has not, been as George W. Bush would say the "decider."

Harris has also not been vetted by the primary process. If zero committed delegates constitutes "vetting," then Kamala failed miserably.

These are a few reasons that I do not believe that tweaking a polling algorithm will be as accurate in her case as it would be for a traditional candidate with a more extensive track record. I do not believe that most voters will believe that any Kamala action has had any impact on stock market indices, and the state of the economy is usually an important part of presidential election models.
I see where Bret admits he had the wrong clip played in the interview with the next President Harris. Told you Bret was afraid of losing his job.
If Baier's assignment was to allow Kamala to make a fool of herself, then - Mission Accomplished. But I think you are giving Bret way too much credit. He had the option of just sitting there like a spectator and allow Kamala to ramble aimlessly to run out the clock or to interrupt her and ask her to answer the questions that she had been asked. Baier chose to do the responsible thing and not allow her to filibuster for 30 minutes. She was going to look like a fool either way, but at least she did not make it through an entire campaign without being asked tough questions.
#59
Bret got caught trying to save his job he might as well be a Trump surrogate.
When you have Fox major entertainment host campaigning on stage for Trump and paying almost $800 million and potential on the hook for another $2.6 BILLION. And you are still claiming they are fair and balance. You can do better than this Hoot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...r-AA1stfSc

Bret knowed what he was doing now he is trying to save face.
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(10-18-2024, 11:15 AM)Maga Nuts Wrote: Bret got caught trying to save his job he might as well be a Trump surrogate.
When you have Fox major entertainment host campaigning on stage for Trump and paying almost $800 million and potential on the hook for another $2.6 BILLION. And you are still claiming they are fair and balance. You can do better than this Hoot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...r-AA1stfSc

Bret knowed what he was doing now he is trying to save face.
Correct, Bret knew what he is doing. Kamala has no clue as to what she is doing. The Democrats are panicking over her poor performance in the campaign. The old bait and switch is not working out as they planned.
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