[Bull got out!]

I'm hearing unconfirmed reports that Franklin County game ended with 8:32 seconds left in the 4th quarter...I saw a video and a boy from Warren East #57 runs all the way across the field and downs a Franklin County kid.......But that was while the big brawl was in progress....

I wonder how many ejections will come out of this one and if it affects the big matchup next week with Corbin?  I like boxing mathes but not during the game, LOL...

Thoughts?

[smoke1015]

It's on video, Bull. Rip/Spin sent it to us this morning. I think on the Twitter...Maybe. I'll look.

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I found it. Hope not against the rules.
https://twitter.com/ChadBlue83/status/1593811080496795650?s=20&t=HpcgR44AcgkWxK8DimU1Ag

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I don't like it but it did seem kind of minor as far as football "fights" go. We always hurt each other more in a game than almost any of the melee battles are that are extra.

[KnoxvillesFinest]

Honestly wasn’t bad at all for that 57 doing one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen. According to others on Twitter he was playing dirty king before that.
So much emotion for a game where the winner gets to go to Corbin and get blown out lol

[Granny Bear]

It isn't against any rules Smoke, and thank you for posting that.

There must've been other stuff happening before this in the game in order for the refs to call it.

[Old School Hound]

I don't know if #57 in the blue is a senior, or not, but his HS football career should be over, regardless.

[Hound05]

Must have been some WWE scouts attending that game #57 is not smart at all for doing that for 2 reasons. 1) you just don’t do that!!! 2) never fight I football without your helmet on?‍♂️

[AverageJoe]

Criminal imo

[Iam4thecats]

#1 That wasn't a brawl. Even after 57s actions.
#2 That was one of the cheapest stupid things by 57 I've ever seen.

[Shogun]

Comments below that video said that #57 was already ejected prior to the end of game incident for a cheap shot earlier in the game. How was he even allowed to be in a position to run onto the field at the end?

[16thregioner]

You’ve got to be kidding. This wasn’t a brawl. It’s crazy that the game ended because of this. I expected something much worse.

[Rebel55]

Comments below that video said that #57 was already ejected prior to the end of game incident for a cheap shot earlier in the game. How was he even allowed to be in a position to run onto the field at the end?

I read that he was ejected 2 plays earlier for the same cheap shot.  As Warren East was punting he was hugging his father on the sidelines and soon after it happened again.

[TD Hounds]

I don't know if #57 in the blue is a senior, or not, but his HS football career should be over, regardless.

I disagree OSH this is where the COACH should make him earn his right to be on the team….This is a situation where the life lessons that football is supposed to teach might very well save a kid that needs it…

[Hound05]

Apparently #57 parents have reached out to media and are trying to play the victim card.


Anybody know if any suspensions?

[Shogun]

I don't know if #57 in the blue is a senior, or not, but his HS football career should be over, regardless.

I disagree OSH this is where the COACH should make him earn his right to be on the team….This is a situation where the life lessons that football is supposed to teach might very well save a kid that needs it…

Maybe the lesson should be that heat of the moment actions can have long lasting consequences. That's a lesson that can be expressed to an entire team vs. just a single individual. He was headed onto that field with malicious intent. If that player that he hit doesn't turn to see him at the last second do you think #57 would have stopped? Doesn't look like it to me. The kid's career should be done IMO. Like was said earlier, he'd already been ejected for taking cheap shots on players after the end of the play. Not worth risking another kid's safety so you can teach someone a lesson.

[Walt Longmire]

I don't know if #57 in the blue is a senior, or not, but his HS football career should be over, regardless.

I disagree OSH this is where the COACH should make him earn his right to be on the team….This is a situation where the life lessons that football is supposed to teach might very well save a kid that needs it…

Maybe the lesson should be that heat of the moment actions can have long lasting consequences. That's a lesson that can be expressed to an entire team vs. just a single individual. He was headed onto that field with malicious intent. If that player that he hit doesn't turn to see him at the last second do you think #57 would have stopped? Doesn't look like it to me. The kid's career should be done IMO. Like was said earlier, he'd already been ejected for taking cheap shots on players after the end of the play. Not worth risking another kid's safety so you can teach someone a lesson.

The WE roster shows #57 to be a senior.  So his career was already over.

[Old School Hound]

Criminal imo

If I saw an adversary in a grocery store parking lot street and did what #57 did, I'd be in jail facing felony charges.

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Should we excuse criminal actions just because they occur on an athletic field? What if the kid that was victimized had been killed or seriously injured as a result of these actions? It could have happened. I knew a school administrator that suffered a debilitating injury just trying to break up a fight between two kids.

This was a malicious, premeditated action on the part of the offender. He had more than enough time to think about what he was doing and return to his sideline. Something tells me he has not received the best parental advice.

[pjdoug]

What #57 did was dumb, but I bet he wasn't the only one doing cheap shots.

[plantmanky]

What #57 did was dumb, but I bet  he wasn't the only one doing cheap shots.

No one is saying a thing about the FC player that drags the WE player by the facemask while all this is going on.

[pjdoug]

What #57 did was dumb, but I bet  he wasn't the only one doing cheap shots.

No one is saying a thing about the FC player that drags the WE player by the facemask while all this is going on.

Right. I thought that's what I saw.

[HS_fballfan]

Kids left the bench pretty clear on that. The only way to change this crap from happening is to make the kids sit. Wish the coaches would get control but that isn’t going to happen.

[Hound05]

Criminal imo

If I saw an adversary in a grocery store parking lot street and did what #57 did, I'd be in jail facing felony charges.

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Should we excuse criminal actions just because they occur on an athletic field?  What if the kid that was victimized had been killed or seriously injured as a result of these actions? It could have happened. I knew a school administrator that suffered a debilitating injury just trying to break up a fight between two kids.

  This was a  malicious, premeditated action on the part of the offender. He had more than enough time to think about what he was doing and return to his sideline.  Something tells me he has not received the best parental advice.

Yea his parents are playing the victim card according to one media source on Twitter. 

And yes that was sad what happened at Whitley that year. Stuff can happen like that. People should think before acting in an emotional situation. 

What #57 did was dumb, but I bet  he wasn't the only one doing cheap shots.

No one is saying a thing about the FC player that drags the WE player by the facemask while all this is going on.

I’ll have to go back and watch it. What number? Or where at on the video. I’ve found another video that has a wider angle than the stream. Shows a lot more. 

Kids left the bench pretty clear on that.  The only way to change this crap from happening is to make the kids sit.  Wish the coaches would get control but that isn’t going to happen.

I’ll tell ya how to stop this sh!+ real quick….
Now I’m a firm believer in self defense. And I say conservatively. You can’t get out there start pushing or instigating it, and when you start getting your butt whooped and fight back and say it was just self defense. But- and I don’t know the situation- let’s say FC didn’t do anything and and this broke out with that kid and some cheap shots. I have no problem with them fighting back. I wouldn’t stand on the street and take it. I wouldn’t expect my kid to On a field. With that said, if both teams were at fault here’s how ya cut that crap out and make sure not many will follow anywhere. 

1) double forfeit (if both teams are fighting and it’s not just self defense). All players that were involved are suspended for 2 games and it Carry’s over to next year. If it was a post season game, they are ineligible for playoffs next year if benches are cleared. (I struggled with this because it’s hard to punish a kid for someone Else’s wrong doing a year later, but it would act as a deterrent to keep underclass man on the bench or sidelines, because if they act they should be punished too. 

*1a- if the players are seniors the penalty can’t really affect them. So two games wuould be their suspension if younger. So if they are a multi sport athlete they will sit 20% of their season in whatever sport which would equate to 2 games on avg for football. 

2)If benches are cleared or there’s 4 or more fighting, athletic departments will face a mandatory fine of no less than $2,000 or more than $6,000
depending upon the severity. These fines will also being on a rolling 4 year time line. So if they get 2 in a period less
than 4 years the fine will double for repeat offenders. 

you can give these players whatever, for some it might not matter. But I about guarantee  you if you start fining A.D’s they’ll stop that crap before it gets started. Like college, like life, you hit peoples wallet, it seems to garner some control. 

now are there some seniors who don’t play other sports? Yea. Will they evade “justice” for their actions? Yea. But these underclass men and multi sport athletes will think twice and hopefully that will keep what might just be a fight and player ejections from becoming a larger situation. 

Aside from all of that, and still somewhat connected to it is sidelines during games. Sidelines have turned into just another row closer for fans. I’ve seen people that have no business being down there. They are non essential personnel and most aren’t even connected to the team outside being parents grade school coaches. IMO, I don’t care if you played 4 years and brought home a title, you’ve donated 100K to the team, you’ve coached before or coaching lower grades, or you’re a 50’year fan, you have NO business being down there. If I’m thinking right, didn’t an old player have an issue at paintsville before with another player? But regardless, they shouldn’t be down there, it’s more people that can potentially cause more problems, because if they are nonessential they aren’t helping.  KHSAA needs to tighten the regulations on people who can be on that sideline or close to it, to coaches, players, and ESSENTIAL personnel (water boys, equipment managers, or game management). Give passes out that they have to wear every game and have a KHSAA official show up randomly. If they violate, FINE. $500 or so.

[smoke1015]

It isn't against any rules Smoke, and thank you for posting that.

There must've been other stuff happening before this in the game in order for the refs to call it.

Yeah surely. I have heard another team or two say "Franklin is chippy" or was chippy in this game. But good grief, it's the playoffs. I don't like being friends in a game on opposite teams. Lol. But this is definitely over the line a bit, but nothing that's crazy or just typical competitive stuff other than maybe 57 flying in. No helmet, dude was asking to get hurt.

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It isn't against any rules Smoke, and thank you for posting that.

There must've been other stuff happening before this in the game in order for the refs to call it.

Yeah surely. I have heard another team or two say "Franklin is chippy" or was chippy in this game. But good grief, it's the playoffs. I don't like being friends in a game on opposite teams. Lol. But this is definitely over the line a bit, but nothing that's crazy or just unheard of. Both teams move on as a team, one on in the playoffs, another to try and get better in the off season.

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Criminal imo

If I saw an adversary in a grocery store parking lot street and did what #57 did, I'd be in jail facing felony charges.

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Should we excuse criminal actions just because they occur on an athletic field?  What if the kid that was victimized had been killed or seriously injured as a result of these actions? It could have happened. I knew a school administrator that suffered a debilitating injury just trying to break up a fight between two kids.

  This was a  malicious, premeditated action on the part of the offender. He had more than enough time to think about what he was doing and return to his sideline.  Something tells me he has not received the best parental advice.

Look man, I agree it was wrong, but had he not been a senior, "banned"...I don't know about that crap. Would your all's kid at Corbin a few years ago be banned for what he did against the Central kid? I was there, recorded the whole thing. Maybe now that he's a man in the working world you would say no, but back then if he's a junior and an important part of your O line...? Just saying, men make crazy mistakes, and kids make even more.

[Hound05]

According to KHSAA bylaws refs and school officials have 24 to report ejections, but I’m wondering since the game was called before anyone else got ejected how this would go?

[Glory_Days]

I love how the coaches/adults were "coddling" the kid after his stupid behavior. He should've immediately been escorted to the locker room. That's the #1 problem with how kids are being treated these days. I understand they are probably trying to talk him down from his emotions, but I've seen this same type of scenario play out in a variety of situations over the years.

The Franklin Co player who he assaulted was in a no-win situation. If he retaliates, he doesn't get to play next week. It was a real chicken-s*&# move!!

[Gold River]

I remember just a quite a few years ago most teams gave out weekly hard hitter awards that was pretty much for who ever could lay the best crackback on a kickoff or at least majority of them where all blindsided hits. Yeah it was a dumb and potentially dangerous thing to do but that could have very well happened during the game and not much would’ve been thought about it maybe a flag at best. To say the kid who is a kid deserves criminal charges for making a mistake during an emotional game is a little out there. Lot of people complain about gun violence etc and say back in my day we handled it with physical altercations but always throw the legal card when one does happen.

[plantmanky]

According to KHSAA bylaws refs and school officials have 24 to report ejections, but I’m wondering since the game was called before anyone else got ejected how this would go?

Post game the only ejection things that can happen is.

1. clarifying/correcting misapplied ejections  - in this case if they had ejected 67 instead of 57 for their actions.

2.  players that leave the bench are to participate in on field issue.


#2 is where franklin may loose some players as there is way more than 11 players on the field, but it is also very close to their bench, so it may be hard to determine.

[DukeBoy]

Frankin County is close to KHSAA HQ, not much will be done to them for fighting if anything at all. Now if it was mountain school, half the team wouldn’t be playing next Friday regardless even if they werent around the fight.

[FCSPY]

It was a change of possession, after a punt so the flyers wound have been fine having kids leaving the sideline as long as they don’t go fight anyone. Our boys are chippy and it’s part of the reason we been able to stay above water Second half of the year. But we donot cheap shot people, we don’t point and taunt… we fly around and talk. Hopefully it’s gives us a snowballs chance next week!

[Granny Bear]

So will this make Corbin's team a little more apprehensive?

I would be.

[TD Hounds]

I don't know if #57 in the blue is a senior, or not, but his HS football career should be over, regardless.

I disagree OSH this is where the COACH should make him earn his right to be on the team….This is a situation where the life lessons that football is supposed to teach might very well save a kid that needs it…

Maybe the lesson should be that heat of the moment actions can have long lasting consequences. That's a lesson that can be expressed to an entire team vs. just a single individual. He was headed onto that field with malicious intent. If that player that he hit doesn't turn to see him at the last second do you think #57 would have stopped? Doesn't look like it to me. The kid's career should be done IMO. Like was said earlier, he'd already been ejected for taking cheap shots on players after the end of the play. Not worth risking another kid's safety so you can teach someone a lesson.

No where that I read did it say anyone had went to the hospital from any of this, and your only guessing his intent was malicious no one on this board knows what that kid was thinking, although it obviously wasn’t good….

Listen I’m not condoning bad behavior but I also don’t believe one mistake should haunt you for a lifetime.  I played high school ball with a few guys that have become pillars of the community.  However if we went back and judged them for some of the things they done in high school they’d probably been in jail until they where in their 30’s.  If however like Hound 05 said he’s trying to play victim now and being unrepentant throw his butt to the wolves…