[vector#1]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

You support a Russian SOB so YES you are a Socialist Commrade Quooter

[Hoot Gibson]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

You support a Russian SOB so YES you are a Socialist Commrade Quooter

You are a human parasite, Twin Ticks. You should have no say in how anybody else's money is spent because having no earned income of your own, you have no skin in the game.

[vector#1]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

You support a Russian SOB so YES you are a Socialist Commrade Quooter

You are a human parasite, Twin Ticks. You should have no say in how anybody else's money is spent because having no earned income of your own, you have no skin in the game.

Commrade Quooter just more of your Russian [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.54)]bred sivoy kobyly[/color]

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

You support a Russian SOB so YES you are a Socialist Commrade Quooter

You are a human parasite, Twin Ticks. You should have no say in how anybody else's money is spent because having no earned income of your own, you have no skin in the game.

Commrade Quooter there going after your homeland

US military begins major exercises in Russia's backyard (msn.com)

[Old School Hound]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

[Hoot Gibson]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

[Old School Hound]

I don't know how wealthy our conservative friends on here are, but I doubt if it would significantly make them less wealthy if our government was a bit more generous(at least not last on the list) to our workers and our citizens in need of healthcare.

[Hoot Gibson]

I don't know how wealthy our conservative friends on here are, but I doubt if it would significantly make them less wealthy if our government was a bit more generous(at least not last on the list) to our workers and our citizens in need of healthcare.

The money that you advocate spending is not your own. We all lose some personal liberty every time that the federal government coerces payments from our fellow American citizens to give away to people through social welfare programs, now matter how wealthy the victims are. Supporting socialist government thugs in this country is as unpatriotic as it gets, with the possible exception of taking bribes from foreign governments. If China Joe has his way, American company's will soon once again be saddled with the highest corporate tax rates in the world. It is very hard for me to understand people who seem unaware of the track record of countries that borrow and spend beyond their means year after year and advocate an ever increasing social welfare system.

As for whether the conservatives on BGR can afford to be separated from another chunk of our money to give to the poor and not so poor, that is a choice for us to make, not you and your ilk.

[Cardfan1]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.

 That May be some of the most dishonest revisionist history ever put Fourth. I bet you think the native Americans sold their land fair and square. 

We have meddled in both of those countries economies hoping to force them to heel. 

there you go with those weak fallacies too. You chose two countries that have been economically depressed by the USA and ignored every other rich country that is more socialist than the US but also more focused on citizens welfare. 

Come on Hooter you love socialism when it benefits you. You just hate poor Americans.  Not a peep with big fat bloated defense contracts and overpaid contractors, but let a morsel of food go to an undeserving child and your hair catches on fire. 

for the record, if debt and deficit bothered you the 2017 tax bill would have been a no, but I’m certain you doglapped it up. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[TheRealThing]

Benefits are earned or merited payments, goods and or services. You're doing what all libs do, renaming or mischaracterizing a concept we're all familiar with in order to make it seem different than it actually is, is. Like referring to the slaughter of the innocents at so-called abortion 'clinics', as women's health for example. And like renaming welfare handouts as entitlements or benefits.

Those who still do it the old fashion way by working to raise a family, look forward to the time in which they will be too old to work. With responsibility comes clear mindedness, thus people in this country who do work often participate in a retirement fund. They set back a portion of the money they make now, which is usually invested, so they have an ongoing income when they're old and unable to work. Those retirement payments are nonetheless still taxed to immoral extents by the government BTW, who then use those taxes to dole out payments to those who have not earned a thing except to make a deal with government. Votes for money. Benefits are earned. Handouts are welfare. The able bodied should work, end of story. Conflating moral laws with secular law is the argument of our day.

The responsibility for caring for and raising children for example, is not part of government. The responsibility is that of the parents of those children. Immorality ultimately is what has undone the vision of the founders. Many of the children who don't wind up murdered in an abortion clinic, are abandoned to become wards of the state or street people. You talk like it's okay to let the dam break as long as government is out making a good face by trying to catch some of the aftermath in buckets. Hello, the dam broke. But I digress.

These programs you speak of are not ever going to take the place of personal responsibility. And with the loss of personal responsibility so too comes the loss of our personal freedoms. You think Uncle Sam can just keep writing checks and it's all good. I say you're wrong. Meanwhile America's youth are what you see on the streets. Haves and have nots out there tearing up stuff and burning the rest down because nothing seems to make any sense. YOU blame Republicans for not caring enough, I blame Dems for insisting that we can handle society on our own without Godly guidance.

No, the day we 'moved the country forward' to the point we turned our backs on God, was the day we left the path.

YAY!!! You picked one!! 

I think you're saying you are against government-funded childcare?? I think.  Your diatribe isn't very focused.  

Wouldn't govt. funded childcare discourage some abortions?  Wouldn't it allow both parents to work and pay taxes?  both of these issues are high on your list of priorities, TRT.  

I know this for a fact; gone are the days granny can keep your kids because granny is still working herself.

I did not pick one and in no way am I accountable to answer, nor am I automatically bound to discuss your shallow view of what ails us. Abortions happen because we live in sexually promiscuous society. Starting with LBJ, throwing money at the idea is what got us to the point of societal no-return as things stand, because obviously, the US checkbook is not the answer to moral problems.

But yeah I guess an unemployment office employee would be somewhat familiar with issues of employment. Granny works because Granny's income is taxed to immoral extremes. And why? Because America is burdened with raising the progeny of the sexually promiscuous and we need the tax dollars to pay the bill, cause as I've been saying, it's waay past due. Dems/libs think bad behavior is a matter of income inequality, and not a matter of moral deviance. That's what happens when mushrooms declare themselves to be wise.

Past that, don't try and sell me on the lie which says Daddy and Mommy though working, cannot afford to raise a family. And I agree  the problems of the liberal mindset are not limited to the US. Greece teeters on bankruptcy as do many other nations. Any doubt that the world financial system could crash suddenly ought to become negligible with even a cursory glance.

Aww man, I was hoping you were showing some guts today.   But another post filled with archaic philosophy, LBJ, and Greece...just silliness.  

Your general misconceptions are completely off on this subject.  Govt. funded childcare would be for working American families.  You don't want to encourage working families. 

If you hate welfare, wouldn't you support childcare that would get Americans into the workforce by keeping their children and with jobs of keeping children?  

Oh boy, I look forward to the day when Joe Biden eases the taxes on Social Security recipients.    

If I worked for the unemployment office, why would I be for a bill like this?  

Who keeps Mommy and Daddy's kids while both are working?  Since the 1950s the birthrate has gone down by half.  If we want Americans to have children, we have to make it possible.

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https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/201...l-welfare/

This study is very enlightening as to how the U.S. stacks up to other countries in social programs.  Is Biden wanting to go too far, too fast in implementing his policies?  Probably, but since their seems to be no chance of the two political sides working together, this is what it has come to, the Republican Party is moving very quickly to the extreme right while the Democrats are moving further left.

"There is a strong, direct relationship between public social spending and poverty reduction. This is even more impressive when you consider that “public social spending” does not automatically mean “progressive.”

We see then that public social spending does not just reduce poverty. It also creates a more equitable environment for society as a whole.

Conclusion
It follows fairly obviously from the above that the U.S. should be making large outlays on social welfare that it currently is not making. While other wealthy countries apparently view their inhabitants as part of a society with universal needs, the U.S. largely leaves its people to fend for themselves.
More social spending is not the solution to every problem the U.S. faces. But it would certainly help a significant portion of them.

I don't understand the aversion to spending money on Americans for basic needs: education, healthcare, food. etc.   It's not like people are getting wealthy on THESE govt. handouts...some are.

You would think that someone who likes to quote Scripture all of the time would also believe in being more generous to the less fortunate.

1 John 3:17-18

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

Matthew 6:1-4

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be

Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?

My position is if government truly wants separation of Church and State, then the pendulum should swing both ways. Helping the poor used to be the purview of the Church, not government. Benevolence in this land used to be the mission of the Church until government took it over. And frankly it is likely that the Church's influence Centuries and decades ago is what motivated those in government circles to take on the role of distributing commodities and certain other helps. But now it's all gotten out of hand. Now Nancy Pelosi says people shouldn't feel pushed to have to work. Maybe they were meant to be artists and loll away their days on more whimsical pursuits?

You and Cardfan and vector will have my respect when you get your checkbooks out and lead by example, rather than misapplying Scripture. But the slurring of truth where it comes to the poor certainly does not end there. And to demonstrate the point here is another applicable Bible verse. 1 Tim 5:8  "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

As I said the able bodied are to work. And how you got that I oppose helping those who actually need help due to physical limitations or ailments or sudden loss of income and etc. is beyond me. But that is the way with the liberal argument. Failing the truth you guys always just start making stuff up. In any case your argument is not with me, it is with the correct function of US government in the historical sense that you cannot seem to latch onto correctly. And then as you just revealed, you have a problem in understanding the role of the Lord's Church. You don't have to worry, Christians will give.

Past that would be the disparity between us on what the limits of helping the poor ought to be. Not everybody who gets a free ride, deserves a free ride. Feed the hungry yes. Get them in out of the weather yes. Clothe them yes. Encourage them to get a job yes. But the cell phones and beer and cigarette money? Not so much. Nor this idea that income equality is a right of US citizenship. And certainly not a guaranteed minimum national income.

I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

[TheRealThing]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.

 That May be some of the most dishonest revisionist history ever put Fourth. I bet you think the native Americans sold their land fair and square. 

We have meddled in both of those countries economies hoping to force them to heel. 

there you go with those weak fallacies too. You chose two countries that have been economically depressed by the USA and ignored every other rich country that is more socialist than the US but also more focused on citizens welfare. 

Come on Hooter you love socialism when it benefits you. You just hate poor Americans.  Not a peep with big fat bloated defense contracts and overpaid contractors, but let a morsel of food go to an undeserving child and your hair catches on fire. 

for the record, if debt and deficit bothered you the 2017 tax bill would have been a no, but I’m certain you doglapped it up. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Professionals like you always lead the way.

[Hoot Gibson]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.

 That May be some of the most dishonest revisionist history ever put Fourth. I bet you think the native Americans sold their land fair and square. 

We have meddled in both of those countries economies hoping to force them to heel. 

there you go with those weak fallacies too. You chose two countries that have been economically depressed by the USA and ignored every other rich country that is more socialist than the US but also more focused on citizens welfare. 

Come on Hooter you love socialism when it benefits you. You just hate poor Americans.  Not a peep with big fat bloated defense contracts and overpaid contractors, but let a morsel of food go to an undeserving child and your hair catches on fire. 

for the record, if debt and deficit bothered you the 2017 tax bill would have been a no, but I’m certain you doglapped it up. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Is there any subject on which you are not profoundly ignorant, Twin Ticks? If so, then why not start a thread on a topic that you half way understand? Venezuela and Cuba both had thriving economies before communists seized power and began to nationalize private businesses and redistribute the wealth of those who earned it. Should the U.S. government supported those actions and ignored the fact that Castro and Chávez stole the property of American businesses?

You are showing your true colors (again) by blaming your own country for the failure of two communist countries. You are placing yourself squarely in the corner of those who believe communism is a good system that has just not been properly implemented yet. The people of Cuba and Venezuela are being victimized but their oppressors are not Americans. Foolish does not begin to characterize the warped logic that you try to sell here.

[vector#1]

YAY!!! You picked one!! 

I think you're saying you are against government-funded childcare?? I think.  Your diatribe isn't very focused.  

Wouldn't govt. funded childcare discourage some abortions?  Wouldn't it allow both parents to work and pay taxes?  both of these issues are high on your list of priorities, TRT.  

I know this for a fact; gone are the days granny can keep your kids because granny is still working herself.

I did not pick one and in no way am I accountable to answer, nor am I automatically bound to discuss your shallow view of what ails us. Abortions happen because we live in sexually promiscuous society. Starting with LBJ, throwing money at the idea is what got us to the point of societal no-return as things stand, because obviously, the US checkbook is not the answer to moral problems.

But yeah I guess an unemployment office employee would be somewhat familiar with issues of employment. Granny works because Granny's income is taxed to immoral extremes. And why? Because America is burdened with raising the progeny of the sexually promiscuous and we need the tax dollars to pay the bill, cause as I've been saying, it's waay past due. Dems/libs think bad behavior is a matter of income inequality, and not a matter of moral deviance. That's what happens when mushrooms declare themselves to be wise.

Past that, don't try and sell me on the lie which says Daddy and Mommy though working, cannot afford to raise a family. And I agree  the problems of the liberal mindset are not limited to the US. Greece teeters on bankruptcy as do many other nations. Any doubt that the world financial system could crash suddenly ought to become negligible with even a cursory glance.

Aww man, I was hoping you were showing some guts today.   But another post filled with archaic philosophy, LBJ, and Greece...just silliness.  

Your general misconceptions are completely off on this subject.  Govt. funded childcare would be for working American families.  You don't want to encourage working families. 

If you hate welfare, wouldn't you support childcare that would get Americans into the workforce by keeping their children and with jobs of keeping children?  

Oh boy, I look forward to the day when Joe Biden eases the taxes on Social Security recipients.    

If I worked for the unemployment office, why would I be for a bill like this?  

Who keeps Mommy and Daddy's kids while both are working?  Since the 1950s the birthrate has gone down by half.  If we want Americans to have children, we have to make it possible.

---

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/201...l-welfare/

This study is very enlightening as to how the U.S. stacks up to other countries in social programs.  Is Biden wanting to go too far, too fast in implementing his policies?  Probably, but since their seems to be no chance of the two political sides working together, this is what it has come to, the Republican Party is moving very quickly to the extreme right while the Democrats are moving further left.

"There is a strong, direct relationship between public social spending and poverty reduction. This is even more impressive when you consider that “public social spending” does not automatically mean “progressive.”

We see then that public social spending does not just reduce poverty. It also creates a more equitable environment for society as a whole.

Conclusion
It follows fairly obviously from the above that the U.S. should be making large outlays on social welfare that it currently is not making. While other wealthy countries apparently view their inhabitants as part of a society with universal needs, the U.S. largely leaves its people to fend for themselves.
More social spending is not the solution to every problem the U.S. faces. But it would certainly help a significant portion of them.

I don't understand the aversion to spending money on Americans for basic needs: education, healthcare, food. etc.   It's not like people are getting wealthy on THESE govt. handouts...some are.

You would think that someone who likes to quote Scripture all of the time would also believe in being more generous to the less fortunate.

1 John 3:17-18

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

Matthew 6:1-4

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be

Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?

My position is if government truly wants separation of Church and State, then the pendulum should swing both ways. Helping the poor used to be the purview of the Church, not government. Benevolence in this land used to be the mission of the Church until government took it over. And frankly it is likely that the Church's influence Centuries and decades ago is what motivated those in government circles to take on the role of distributing commodities and certain other helps. But now it's all gotten out of hand. Now Nancy Pelosi says people shouldn't feel pushed to have to work. Maybe they were meant to be artists and loll away their days on more whimsical pursuits?

You and Cardfan and vector will have my respect when you get your checkbooks out and lead by example, rather than misapplying Scripture. But the slurring of truth where it comes to the poor certainly does not end there. And to demonstrate the point here is another applicable Bible verse. 1 Tim 5:8  "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

As I said the able bodied are to work. And how you got that I oppose helping those who actually need help due to physical limitations or ailments or sudden loss of income and etc. is beyond me. But that is the way with the liberal argument. Failing the truth you guys always just start making stuff up. In any case your argument is not with me, it is with the correct function of US government in the historical sense that you cannot seem to latch onto correctly. And then as you just revealed, you have a problem in understanding the role of the Lord's Church. You don't have to worry, Christians will give.

Past that would be the disparity between us on what the limits of helping the poor ought to be. Not everybody who gets a free ride, deserves a free ride. Feed the hungry yes. Get them in out of the weather yes. Clothe them yes. Encourage them to get a job yes. But the cell phones and beer and cigarette money? Not so much. Nor this idea that income equality is a right of US citizenship. And certainly not a guaranteed minimum national income.

I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

Tell you what Commrade TRT I will put my tax payments up against yours ant time you want and you also Commrade Quooter

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

Who by the way Quooter get it off the backbone of the workers have you every read your post and see  how stupid you sound

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

But it's all right as long as you get that 1.2 trillion every year Commrade Quooter

[Hoot Gibson]

I did not pick one and in no way am I accountable to answer, nor am I automatically bound to discuss your shallow view of what ails us. Abortions happen because we live in sexually promiscuous society. Starting with LBJ, throwing money at the idea is what got us to the point of societal no-return as things stand, because obviously, the US checkbook is not the answer to moral problems.

But yeah I guess an unemployment office employee would be somewhat familiar with issues of employment. Granny works because Granny's income is taxed to immoral extremes. And why? Because America is burdened with raising the progeny of the sexually promiscuous and we need the tax dollars to pay the bill, cause as I've been saying, it's waay past due. Dems/libs think bad behavior is a matter of income inequality, and not a matter of moral deviance. That's what happens when mushrooms declare themselves to be wise.

Past that, don't try and sell me on the lie which says Daddy and Mommy though working, cannot afford to raise a family. And I agree  the problems of the liberal mindset are not limited to the US. Greece teeters on bankruptcy as do many other nations. Any doubt that the world financial system could crash suddenly ought to become negligible with even a cursory glance.

Aww man, I was hoping you were showing some guts today.   But another post filled with archaic philosophy, LBJ, and Greece...just silliness.  

Your general misconceptions are completely off on this subject.  Govt. funded childcare would be for working American families.  You don't want to encourage working families. 

If you hate welfare, wouldn't you support childcare that would get Americans into the workforce by keeping their children and with jobs of keeping children?  

Oh boy, I look forward to the day when Joe Biden eases the taxes on Social Security recipients.    

If I worked for the unemployment office, why would I be for a bill like this?  

Who keeps Mommy and Daddy's kids while both are working?  Since the 1950s the birthrate has gone down by half.  If we want Americans to have children, we have to make it possible.

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https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/201...l-welfare/

This study is very enlightening as to how the U.S. stacks up to other countries in social programs.  Is Biden wanting to go too far, too fast in implementing his policies?  Probably, but since their seems to be no chance of the two political sides working together, this is what it has come to, the Republican Party is moving very quickly to the extreme right while the Democrats are moving further left.

"There is a strong, direct relationship between public social spending and poverty reduction. This is even more impressive when you consider that “public social spending” does not automatically mean “progressive.”

We see then that public social spending does not just reduce poverty. It also creates a more equitable environment for society as a whole.

Conclusion
It follows fairly obviously from the above that the U.S. should be making large outlays on social welfare that it currently is not making. While other wealthy countries apparently view their inhabitants as part of a society with universal needs, the U.S. largely leaves its people to fend for themselves.
More social spending is not the solution to every problem the U.S. faces. But it would certainly help a significant portion of them.

I don't understand the aversion to spending money on Americans for basic needs: education, healthcare, food. etc.   It's not like people are getting wealthy on THESE govt. handouts...some are.

You would think that someone who likes to quote Scripture all of the time would also believe in being more generous to the less fortunate.

1 John 3:17-18

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

Matthew 6:1-4

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be

Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?

My position is if government truly wants separation of Church and State, then the pendulum should swing both ways. Helping the poor used to be the purview of the Church, not government. Benevolence in this land used to be the mission of the Church until government took it over. And frankly it is likely that the Church's influence Centuries and decades ago is what motivated those in government circles to take on the role of distributing commodities and certain other helps. But now it's all gotten out of hand. Now Nancy Pelosi says people shouldn't feel pushed to have to work. Maybe they were meant to be artists and loll away their days on more whimsical pursuits?

You and Cardfan and vector will have my respect when you get your checkbooks out and lead by example, rather than misapplying Scripture. But the slurring of truth where it comes to the poor certainly does not end there. And to demonstrate the point here is another applicable Bible verse. 1 Tim 5:8  "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

As I said the able bodied are to work. And how you got that I oppose helping those who actually need help due to physical limitations or ailments or sudden loss of income and etc. is beyond me. But that is the way with the liberal argument. Failing the truth you guys always just start making stuff up. In any case your argument is not with me, it is with the correct function of US government in the historical sense that you cannot seem to latch onto correctly. And then as you just revealed, you have a problem in understanding the role of the Lord's Church. You don't have to worry, Christians will give.

Past that would be the disparity between us on what the limits of helping the poor ought to be. Not everybody who gets a free ride, deserves a free ride. Feed the hungry yes. Get them in out of the weather yes. Clothe them yes. Encourage them to get a job yes. But the cell phones and beer and cigarette money? Not so much. Nor this idea that income equality is a right of US citizenship. And certainly not a guaranteed minimum national income.

I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

Tell you what Commrade TRT I will put my tax payments up against yours ant time you want and you also Commrade Quooter

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

Who by the way Quooter get it off the backbone of the workers have you every read your post and see  how stupid you sound

---

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

But it's all right as long as you get that 1.2 trillion every year Commrade Quooter

When I am in the mood to read truly stupid stuff, I read your posts, Twin Ticks. Most of the time I just ignore them. Get a job, parasite.

[vector#1]

Aww man, I was hoping you were showing some guts today.   But another post filled with archaic philosophy, LBJ, and Greece...just silliness.  

Your general misconceptions are completely off on this subject.  Govt. funded childcare would be for working American families.  You don't want to encourage working families. 

If you hate welfare, wouldn't you support childcare that would get Americans into the workforce by keeping their children and with jobs of keeping children?  

Oh boy, I look forward to the day when Joe Biden eases the taxes on Social Security recipients.    

If I worked for the unemployment office, why would I be for a bill like this?  

Who keeps Mommy and Daddy's kids while both are working?  Since the 1950s the birthrate has gone down by half.  If we want Americans to have children, we have to make it possible.

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I don't understand the aversion to spending money on Americans for basic needs: education, healthcare, food. etc.   It's not like people are getting wealthy on THESE govt. handouts...some are.

You would think that someone who likes to quote Scripture all of the time would also believe in being more generous to the less fortunate.

1 John 3:17-18

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

Matthew 6:1-4

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be

Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?

My position is if government truly wants separation of Church and State, then the pendulum should swing both ways. Helping the poor used to be the purview of the Church, not government. Benevolence in this land used to be the mission of the Church until government took it over. And frankly it is likely that the Church's influence Centuries and decades ago is what motivated those in government circles to take on the role of distributing commodities and certain other helps. But now it's all gotten out of hand. Now Nancy Pelosi says people shouldn't feel pushed to have to work. Maybe they were meant to be artists and loll away their days on more whimsical pursuits?

You and Cardfan and vector will have my respect when you get your checkbooks out and lead by example, rather than misapplying Scripture. But the slurring of truth where it comes to the poor certainly does not end there. And to demonstrate the point here is another applicable Bible verse. 1 Tim 5:8  "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

As I said the able bodied are to work. And how you got that I oppose helping those who actually need help due to physical limitations or ailments or sudden loss of income and etc. is beyond me. But that is the way with the liberal argument. Failing the truth you guys always just start making stuff up. In any case your argument is not with me, it is with the correct function of US government in the historical sense that you cannot seem to latch onto correctly. And then as you just revealed, you have a problem in understanding the role of the Lord's Church. You don't have to worry, Christians will give.

Past that would be the disparity between us on what the limits of helping the poor ought to be. Not everybody who gets a free ride, deserves a free ride. Feed the hungry yes. Get them in out of the weather yes. Clothe them yes. Encourage them to get a job yes. But the cell phones and beer and cigarette money? Not so much. Nor this idea that income equality is a right of US citizenship. And certainly not a guaranteed minimum national income.

I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

Tell you what Commrade TRT I will put my tax payments up against yours ant time you want and you also Commrade Quooter

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

Who by the way Quooter get it off the backbone of the workers have you every read your post and see  how stupid you sound

---

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

But it's all right as long as you get that 1.2 trillion every year Commrade Quooter

When I am in the mood to read truly stupid stuff, I read your posts, Twin Ticks. Most of the time I just ignore them. Get a job, parasite.

You need to back up and get that check Commrade Quooter I have worked enough I was smart with my money and I hope the interest rates do go up make more money you Russian parasite

[Hoot Gibson]

You would think that someone who likes to quote Scripture all of the time would also believe in being more generous to the less fortunate.

1 John 3:17-18

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

Matthew 6:1-4

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be

Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?

My position is if government truly wants separation of Church and State, then the pendulum should swing both ways. Helping the poor used to be the purview of the Church, not government. Benevolence in this land used to be the mission of the Church until government took it over. And frankly it is likely that the Church's influence Centuries and decades ago is what motivated those in government circles to take on the role of distributing commodities and certain other helps. But now it's all gotten out of hand. Now Nancy Pelosi says people shouldn't feel pushed to have to work. Maybe they were meant to be artists and loll away their days on more whimsical pursuits?

You and Cardfan and vector will have my respect when you get your checkbooks out and lead by example, rather than misapplying Scripture. But the slurring of truth where it comes to the poor certainly does not end there. And to demonstrate the point here is another applicable Bible verse. 1 Tim 5:8  "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

As I said the able bodied are to work. And how you got that I oppose helping those who actually need help due to physical limitations or ailments or sudden loss of income and etc. is beyond me. But that is the way with the liberal argument. Failing the truth you guys always just start making stuff up. In any case your argument is not with me, it is with the correct function of US government in the historical sense that you cannot seem to latch onto correctly. And then as you just revealed, you have a problem in understanding the role of the Lord's Church. You don't have to worry, Christians will give.

Past that would be the disparity between us on what the limits of helping the poor ought to be. Not everybody who gets a free ride, deserves a free ride. Feed the hungry yes. Get them in out of the weather yes. Clothe them yes. Encourage them to get a job yes. But the cell phones and beer and cigarette money? Not so much. Nor this idea that income equality is a right of US citizenship. And certainly not a guaranteed minimum national income.

I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

Tell you what Commrade TRT I will put my tax payments up against yours ant time you want and you also Commrade Quooter

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I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

Who by the way Quooter get it off the backbone of the workers have you every read your post and see  how stupid you sound

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I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

But it's all right as long as you get that 1.2 trillion every year Commrade Quooter

When I am in the mood to read truly stupid stuff, I read your posts, Twin Ticks. Most of the time I just ignore them. Get a job, parasite.

You need to back up and get that check Commrade Quooter I have worked enough I was smart with my money and I hope the interest rates do go up make more money you Russian parasite

 Liar. A fool and his money are soon parted. It is not possible that a fool such as yourself ever invested wisely. 

[Cardfan1]

I don't know how wealthy our conservative friends on here are, but I doubt if it would significantly make them less wealthy if our government was a bit more generous(at least not last on the list) to our workers and our citizens in need of healthcare.

The money that you advocate spending is not your own. We all lose some personal liberty every time that the federal government coerces payments from our fellow American citizens to give away to people through social welfare programs, now matter how wealthy the victims are. Supporting socialist government thugs in this country is as unpatriotic as it gets, with the possible exception of taking bribes from foreign governments. If China Joe has his way, American company's will soon once again be saddled with the highest corporate tax rates in the world. It is very hard for me to understand people who seem unaware of the track record of countries that borrow and spend beyond their means year after year and advocate an ever increasing social welfare system.

As for whether the conservatives on BGR can afford to be separated from another chunk of our money to give to the poor and not so poor, that is a choice for us to make, not you and your ilk.

money is spent all the time by the govt I don’t support.  Every flight to MarALago for example and The trillions we spend on the military industrial complex and those that leech off of that. 
sometimes elections have consequences and you don’t get to decide where the money is spent.

[The Outsider]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.)

I'm not really a fan of socialism, but I do believe that the Corporate tax rate is too low in the U.S.  Trump's 40% reduction was too extreme and will continue to put an undue burden on the middle class. 

Trump slashed corporate tax rates to 21%, but many companies paid far less than that (dallasnews.com)

In 2018, the first year under the new law, 379 profitable companies in the Fortune 500 paid an average effective rate of 11.3%, according to a study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a progressive think tank in Washington.

For 91 companies, nearly a quarter of those examined, their 2018 federal tax bill was zero or they got a tax rebate, the group said. The list includes heavyweights like Amazon, Chevron and Netflix. As a group, the 91 companies earned a combined $101 billion in pretax profits.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Top 1% Of U.S. Households Hold 15 Times More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Combined

Top 1% Of U.S. Households Hold 15 Times More Wealth Than Bottom 50% Combined (forbes.com)

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YAY!!! You picked one!! 

I think you're saying you are against government-funded childcare?? I think.  Your diatribe isn't very focused.  

Wouldn't govt. funded childcare discourage some abortions?  Wouldn't it allow both parents to work and pay taxes?  both of these issues are high on your list of priorities, TRT.  

I know this for a fact; gone are the days granny can keep your kids because granny is still working herself.

I did not pick one and in no way am I accountable to answer, nor am I automatically bound to discuss your shallow view of what ails us. Abortions happen because we live in sexually promiscuous society. Starting with LBJ, throwing money at the idea is what got us to the point of societal no-return as things stand, because obviously, the US checkbook is not the answer to moral problems.

But yeah I guess an unemployment office employee would be somewhat familiar with issues of employment. Granny works because Granny's income is taxed to immoral extremes. And why? Because America is burdened with raising the progeny of the sexually promiscuous and we need the tax dollars to pay the bill, cause as I've been saying, it's waay past due. Dems/libs think bad behavior is a matter of income inequality, and not a matter of moral deviance. That's what happens when mushrooms declare themselves to be wise.

Past that, don't try and sell me on the lie which says Daddy and Mommy though working, cannot afford to raise a family. And I agree  the problems of the liberal mindset are not limited to the US. Greece teeters on bankruptcy as do many other nations. Any doubt that the world financial system could crash suddenly ought to become negligible with even a cursory glance.

Aww man, I was hoping you were showing some guts today.   But another post filled with archaic philosophy, LBJ, and Greece...just silliness.  

Your general misconceptions are completely off on this subject.  Govt. funded childcare would be for working American families.  You don't want to encourage working families. 

If you hate welfare, wouldn't you support childcare that would get Americans into the workforce by keeping their children and with jobs of keeping children?  

Oh boy, I look forward to the day when Joe Biden eases the taxes on Social Security recipients.    

If I worked for the unemployment office, why would I be for a bill like this?  

Who keeps Mommy and Daddy's kids while both are working?  Since the 1950s the birthrate has gone down by half.  If we want Americans to have children, we have to make it possible.

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https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/201...l-welfare/

This study is very enlightening as to how the U.S. stacks up to other countries in social programs.  Is Biden wanting to go too far, too fast in implementing his policies?  Probably, but since their seems to be no chance of the two political sides working together, this is what it has come to, the Republican Party is moving very quickly to the extreme right while the Democrats are moving further left.

"There is a strong, direct relationship between public social spending and poverty reduction. This is even more impressive when you consider that “public social spending” does not automatically mean “progressive.”

We see then that public social spending does not just reduce poverty. It also creates a more equitable environment for society as a whole.

Conclusion
It follows fairly obviously from the above that the U.S. should be making large outlays on social welfare that it currently is not making. While other wealthy countries apparently view their inhabitants as part of a society with universal needs, the U.S. largely leaves its people to fend for themselves.
More social spending is not the solution to every problem the U.S. faces. But it would certainly help a significant portion of them.

I don't understand the aversion to spending money on Americans for basic needs: education, healthcare, food. etc.   It's not like people are getting wealthy on THESE govt. handouts...some are.

You would think that someone who likes to quote Scripture all of the time would also believe in being more generous to the less fortunate.

1 John 3:17-18

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

Matthew 6:1-4

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be

Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?

My position is if government truly wants separation of Church and State, then the pendulum should swing both ways. Helping the poor used to be the purview of the Church, not government. Benevolence in this land used to be the mission of the Church until government took it over. And frankly it is likely that the Church's influence Centuries and decades ago is what motivated those in government circles to take on the role of distributing commodities and certain other helps. But now it's all gotten out of hand. Now Nancy Pelosi says people shouldn't feel pushed to have to work. Maybe they were meant to be artists and loll away their days on more whimsical pursuits?

You and Cardfan and vector will have my respect when you get your checkbooks out and lead by example, rather than misapplying Scripture. But the slurring of truth where it comes to the poor certainly does not end there. And to demonstrate the point here is another applicable Bible verse. 1 Tim 5:8  "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

As I said the able bodied are to work. And how you got that I oppose helping those who actually need help due to physical limitations or ailments or sudden loss of income and etc. is beyond me. But that is the way with the liberal argument. Failing the truth you guys always just start making stuff up. In any case your argument is not with me, it is with the correct function of US government in the historical sense that you cannot seem to latch onto correctly. And then as you just revealed, you have a problem in understanding the role of the Lord's Church. You don't have to worry, Christians will give.

Past that would be the disparity between us on what the limits of helping the poor ought to be. Not everybody who gets a free ride, deserves a free ride. Feed the hungry yes. Get them in out of the weather yes. Clothe them yes. Encourage them to get a job yes. But the cell phones and beer and cigarette money? Not so much. Nor this idea that income equality is a right of US citizenship. And certainly not a guaranteed minimum national income.

I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

Yes, I believe in donating to the Church as well as several other charities of my choosing, but i will not judge anyone else who believes differently.

[Hoot Gibson]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.)

I'm not really a fan of socialism, but I do believe that the Corporate tax rate is too low in the U.S.  Trump's 40% reduction was too extreme and will continue to put an undue burden on the middle class. 

Trump slashed corporate tax rates to 21%, but many companies paid far less than that (dallasnews.com)

In 2018, the first year under the new law, 379 profitable companies in the Fortune 500 paid an average effective rate of 11.3%, according to a study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a progressive think tank in Washington.

For 91 companies, nearly a quarter of those examined, their 2018 federal tax bill was zero or they got a tax rebate, the group said. The list includes heavyweights like Amazon, Chevron and Netflix. As a group, the 91 companies earned a combined $101 billion in pretax profits.

I am sure that our economy will boom once Biden pushes all of his tax hikes through Congress. I just hope that we can build factories fast enough to keep up with demand once corporations have the opportunity to invest in this country at the highest rate in the world.

Corporations should not be paying any income taxes. Socialists have destroyed the ability of American manufacturers to compete in the global economy through tax policies and excessive regulation. Income on dividends, salaries, and wages are already taxed. You are a fool if you believe that the loopholes that allow some companies to legally avoid corporate income taxes exist by accident.

Instead of demonizing corporations that pay no income taxes, your ire should be directed at the politicians who draft tax laws while extorting donations through corporate lobbyists. It is often said that the power to tax is the power to destroy. Politicians understand that to be true and so do the corporations that must interact with them to survive.

[Cardfan1]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.

 That May be some of the most dishonest revisionist history ever put Fourth. I bet you think the native Americans sold their land fair and square. 

We have meddled in both of those countries economies hoping to force them to heel. 

there you go with those weak fallacies too. You chose two countries that have been economically depressed by the USA and ignored every other rich country that is more socialist than the US but also more focused on citizens welfare. 

Come on Hooter you love socialism when it benefits you. You just hate poor Americans.  Not a peep with big fat bloated defense contracts and overpaid contractors, but let a morsel of food go to an undeserving child and your hair catches on fire. 

for the record, if debt and deficit bothered you the 2017 tax bill would have been a no, but I’m certain you doglapped it up. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Is there any subject on which you are not profoundly ignorant, Twin Ticks? If so, then why not start a thread on a topic that you half way understand? Venezuela and Cuba both had thriving economies before communists seized power and began to nationalize private businesses and redistribute the wealth of those who earned it. Should the U.S. government supported those actions and ignored the fact that Castro and Chávez stole the property of American businesses?

You are showing your true colors (again) by blaming your own country for the failure of two communist countries. You are placing yourself squarely in the corner of those who believe communism is a good system that has just not been properly implemented yet. The people of Cuba and Venezuela are being victimized but their oppressors are not Americans. Foolish does not begin to characterize the warped logic that you try to sell here.

Maybe they would have been successful if the United States hadn’t of intervened.  

Let’s be honest...there is zero success when the US is against you. 

Either way your weak fallacy still exists.  
There are countries across the world support their citizens and not corporations and are still very wealthy. 

The weakness of your arguments these days is mind blowing.  Hooter, you can’t focus one issue.  What do you have against Americans?  They don’t deserve safe water? Better infrastructure? Better education?  
Are you worried this will take away from your racket ? Socialism can food on your table but not other Americans?

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.)

I'm not really a fan of socialism, but I do believe that the Corporate tax rate is too low in the U.S.  Trump's 40% reduction was too extreme and will continue to put an undue burden on the middle class. 

Trump slashed corporate tax rates to 21%, but many companies paid far less than that (dallasnews.com)

In 2018, the first year under the new law, 379 profitable companies in the Fortune 500 paid an average effective rate of 11.3%, according to a study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a progressive think tank in Washington.

For 91 companies, nearly a quarter of those examined, their 2018 federal tax bill was zero or they got a tax rebate, the group said. The list includes heavyweights like Amazon, Chevron and Netflix. As a group, the 91 companies earned a combined $101 billion in pretax profits.

I am sure that our economy will boom once Biden pushes all of his tax hikes through Congress. I just hope that we can build factories fast enough to keep up with demand once corporations have the opportunity to invest in this country at the highest rate in the world.

Corporations should not be paying any income taxes. Socialists have destroyed the ability of American manufacturers to compete in the global economy through tax policies and excessive regulation. Income on dividends, salaries, and wages are already taxed. You are a fool if you believe that the loopholes that allow some companies to legally avoid corporate income taxes exist by accident.

Instead of demonizing corporations that pay no income taxes, your ire should be directed at the politicians who draft tax laws while extorting donations through corporate lobbyists. It is often said that the power to tax is the power to destroy. Politicians understand that to be true and so do the corporations that must interact with them to survive.

well...I’ll be damned you’re begging for globalism  

TRT, will tell you that’s the end of the world.

[Hoot Gibson]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.

 That May be some of the most dishonest revisionist history ever put Fourth. I bet you think the native Americans sold their land fair and square. 

We have meddled in both of those countries economies hoping to force them to heel. 

there you go with those weak fallacies too. You chose two countries that have been economically depressed by the USA and ignored every other rich country that is more socialist than the US but also more focused on citizens welfare. 

Come on Hooter you love socialism when it benefits you. You just hate poor Americans.  Not a peep with big fat bloated defense contracts and overpaid contractors, but let a morsel of food go to an undeserving child and your hair catches on fire. 

for the record, if debt and deficit bothered you the 2017 tax bill would have been a no, but I’m certain you doglapped it up. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Is there any subject on which you are not profoundly ignorant, Twin Ticks? If so, then why not start a thread on a topic that you half way understand? Venezuela and Cuba both had thriving economies before communists seized power and began to nationalize private businesses and redistribute the wealth of those who earned it. Should the U.S. government supported those actions and ignored the fact that Castro and Chávez stole the property of American businesses?

You are showing your true colors (again) by blaming your own country for the failure of two communist countries. You are placing yourself squarely in the corner of those who believe communism is a good system that has just not been properly implemented yet. The people of Cuba and Venezuela are being victimized but their oppressors are not Americans. Foolish does not begin to characterize the warped logic that you try to sell here.

Maybe they would have been successful if the United States hadn’t of intervened.  

Let’s be honest...there is zero success when the US is against you. 

Either way your weak fallacy still exists.  
There are countries across the world support their citizens and not corporations and are still very wealthy. 

The weakness of your arguments these days is mind blowing.  Hooter, you can’t focus one issue.  What do you have against Americans?  They don’t deserve safe water? Better infrastructure? Better education?  
Are you worried this will take away from your racket ? Socialism can food on your table but not other Americans?

I have nothing against my fellow Americans, Twin Ticks, but I do hate socialists, communists, and others who seek to take what is rightfully mine and to deprive me of the personal and economic liberty for which generations of Americans before me fought and died.

You have a very poor understanding of American history and an even more profound ignorance of basic economics. This country is broke and it is on the road to hyperinflation and all of the misery that comes with it. The time is fast approaching when our federal government will actually have to begin cutting existing programs. It is idiotic to be creating new welfare programs that common sense tells us (those who have common sense) cannot be funded in the future.

[Cardfan1]

@Hoot Gibson:

I have nothing against my fellow Americans, Twin Ticks, but I do hate socialists, communists, and others who seek to take what is rightfully mine and to deprive me of the personal and economic liberty for which generations of Americans before me fought and died.

You have a very poor understanding of American history and an even more profound ignorance of basic economics. This country is broke and it is on the road to hyperinflation and all of the misery that comes with it. The time is fast approaching when our federal government will actually have to begin cutting existing programs. It is idiotic to be creating new welfare programs that common sense tells us (those who have common sense) cannot be funded in the future.



Of course, you do, Hooter.  You only talk socialism and economic collapse when money that is resting in big business and the military is diverted to help Americans.  No mention at any other time...Not a peep.  So that means you are anti-American and a hypocrite.  

No one could be as knowledgeable of your alternate reality as you, of course, that's not this world. 

As mentioned in this thread your hero improved the economy with government spending (he lied and said he was cutting...typical).  FDR rebuilt this economy with government spending. Clinton invested in America to create the only budget surplus I've ever known.  

Uncle Joe Biden is going to bring us out of the Trump economy by making it easier for the American citizens to work and to get an education and improving our infrastructure and our public services.  These aren't checks to the poor or tax breaks for the rich, but help for the working.  The middle class:  the backbone of this nation.  

[The Outsider]

This is a quote from Hoot in his earlier response. 

"Corporations should not be paying any income taxes"


I'm hoping that you really didn't mean to type this.  If you did, please elaborate.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.)

I'm not really a fan of socialism, but I do believe that the Corporate tax rate is too low in the U.S.  Trump's 40% reduction was too extreme and will continue to put an undue burden on the middle class. 

Trump slashed corporate tax rates to 21%, but many companies paid far less than that (dallasnews.com)

In 2018, the first year under the new law, 379 profitable companies in the Fortune 500 paid an average effective rate of 11.3%, according to a study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a progressive think tank in Washington.

For 91 companies, nearly a quarter of those examined, their 2018 federal tax bill was zero or they got a tax rebate, the group said. The list includes heavyweights like Amazon, Chevron and Netflix. As a group, the 91 companies earned a combined $101 billion in pretax profits.

I am sure that our economy will boom once Biden pushes all of his tax hikes through Congress. I just hope that we can build factories fast enough to keep up with demand once corporations have the opportunity to invest in this country at the highest rate in the world.

Corporations should not be paying any income taxes. Socialists have destroyed the ability of American manufacturers to compete in the global economy through tax policies and excessive regulation. Income on dividends, salaries, and wages are already taxed. You are a fool if you believe that the loopholes that allow some companies to legally avoid corporate income taxes exist by accident.

Instead of demonizing corporations that pay no income taxes, your ire should be directed at the politicians who draft tax laws while extorting donations through corporate lobbyists. It is often said that the power to tax is the power to destroy. Politicians understand that to be true and so do the corporations that must interact with them to survive.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the portion in bold print above.  Ted Cruz's recent admission is a perfect example of corrupt politicians being so used to doing business as usual that they don't even realize how corrupt they are.

[TheRealThing]

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well...I’ll be damned you’re begging for globalism  

TRT, will tell you that’s the end of the world.

Said the frog as he jumped into the pot. If you had the faintest glimmer as to the profound irony of your post you'd be a hundred times smarter than you imagine yourself to be.

Not to mention the fact that Hoot took you to school about Cuba and Venezuela, and all you could come back with was to reassert your false liberal doctrine. Seriously, other than vector who do you think you really fool on here?

[Cardfan1]

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well...I’ll be damned you’re begging for globalism  

TRT, will tell you that’s the end of the world.

Said the frog as he jumped into the pot. If you had the faintest glimmer as to the profound irony of your post you'd be a hundred times smarter than you imagine yourself to be.

Not to mention the fact that Hoot took you to school about Cuba and Venezuela, and all you could come back with was to reassert your false liberal doctrine. Seriously, other than vector who do you think you really fool on here?

What do you mean?  Your amigo is begging for globalism.  I just wanted him to know what you say about it.  

Took me to school? Are you saying the US didn't economically intervene in either of those nations?

[vector#1]

The Crazy Cult Party that Commrades TRT, Quooter, and Mig pray for are now taking credit for the stimulus bill President Past. Even Moscow Mitch is taking credit for. And you know what sad part is the Crazy Cult Sheep will believe it.

https://www.wymt.com/2021/05/04/youre-ab...ing-spree/

[TheRealThing]

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In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?


I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

The Outsider  
Yes, I believe in donating to the Church as well as several other charities of my choosing, but i will not judge anyone else who believes differently.
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So, you get what I'm saying then about those on the right who even though they pay taxes through the nose, still go above and beyond to give generously to help the poor. Still you line up with Cardfan and vector to insist more can be done even though God has said and you even quoted this, "the poor you shall ALWAYS have." Always means always but the reason we will always have the poor is because many many people just cannot be motivated to become self sufficient. The drive just is not there. But your contempt for Republicans then is based on what? Wardrobe? Most of them give far more money to the cause than your average Cardfan. I frankly don't get it. The country is strapped for cash to the point where it seems noble in the minds of the left to tax corporations. I mean if we can tax institutions what's next, a marriage tax?

One cannot be a liberal and not look down on or judge those who espouse our traditionally conservative values because liberals say those values are the example of greed. And the plight of the poor then it follows, is not that they are listless or otherwise unmotivated, they are victims of the rich. Does that not fly in the face of what the Lord said about work? Did He guarantee income equality, or did He say it would be hard? Nor can liberals take the route Pilate took, and just wash their hands of responsibility when they all know their party pushes unfettered abortion and gay rights. We're not accountable to ourselves as Pilate supposed, we are accountable to God.

Not the first one of you will admit what God declared, that man is to work and earn his bread by the sweat of his face. That's not easy and that's not convenient. In fact working for our substance is so burdensome, that we barely get turned around it seems and our children are already gone and the next thing you know we're retiring and the aches and pains of working all those years now dominate our existence. And all too soon, we pass. Life as the Lord has characterized it is like a vapor. You poke your nose out the front door to check how cold it is as you're leaving for work in the morning and you watch that breath of vapor vanish in a second or two, and it's gone. Life is but a vapor.

In saying that,  not all work is particularly glamorous. There are all manner of menial jobs but the pursuit is still noble. Septic tanks have to be drained occasionally, we need mechanics, sanitation workers, the restaurant industry, the motel industry, the list is endless. But every able bodied man should do something. Sitting around waiting on government checks is not honorable for anyone who can work but somehow has decided that kind of thing is beneath him. And that means not everybody will be able to afford a bass boat and a tow vehicle.

[TheRealThing]

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well...I’ll be damned you’re begging for globalism  

TRT, will tell you that’s the end of the world.

Said the frog as he jumped into the pot. If you had the faintest glimmer as to the profound irony of your post you'd be a hundred times smarter than you imagine yourself to be.

Not to mention the fact that Hoot took you to school about Cuba and Venezuela, and all you could come back with was to reassert your false liberal doctrine. Seriously, other than vector who do you think you really fool on here?

What do you mean?  Your amigo is begging for globalism.  I just wanted him to know what you say about it.  

Took me to school? Are you saying the US didn't economically intervene in either of those nations?

You cannot name a nation that the US wronged in such manner. Socialism, rammed home by Fidel Castro who was in bed with Nikita khrushchev, took down Cuba.    https://images.app.goo.gl/EBuVaRKCXwqvSovi9

Venezuela went exactly the same route with exactly the same result.

[Cardfan1]

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well...I’ll be damned you’re begging for globalism  

TRT, will tell you that’s the end of the world.

Said the frog as he jumped into the pot. If you had the faintest glimmer as to the profound irony of your post you'd be a hundred times smarter than you imagine yourself to be.

Not to mention the fact that Hoot took you to school about Cuba and Venezuela, and all you could come back with was to reassert your false liberal doctrine. Seriously, other than vector who do you think you really fool on here?

What do you mean?  Your amigo is begging for globalism.  I just wanted him to know what you say about it.  

Took me to school? Are you saying the US didn't economically intervene in either of those nations?

You cannot name a nation that the US wronged in such manner. Socialism, rammed home by Fidel Castro who was in bed with Nikita khrushchev, took down Cuba.     https://images.app.goo.gl/EBuVaRKCXwqvSovi9

Venezuela went exactly the same route with exactly the same result.

Wait, are you saying the US didn't place economic sanctions on both nations?
An embargo on Cuba?  

Right or wrong, those sanctions will affect the success or failure of a country's economy.  If the US surrounds Denmark and prohibits all its allies from trading with that nation then you will see a successful socialist nation fail. 

In fact, half of Europe has large state-sponsored social programs.  If we are so antisocialism, why haven't we embargoed the entire continent?

[TheRealThing]

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well...I’ll be damned you’re begging for globalism  

TRT, will tell you that’s the end of the world.

Said the frog as he jumped into the pot. If you had the faintest glimmer as to the profound irony of your post you'd be a hundred times smarter than you imagine yourself to be.

Not to mention the fact that Hoot took you to school about Cuba and Venezuela, and all you could come back with was to reassert your false liberal doctrine. Seriously, other than vector who do you think you really fool on here?

What do you mean?  Your amigo is begging for globalism.  I just wanted him to know what you say about it.  

Took me to school? Are you saying the US didn't economically intervene in either of those nations?

You cannot name a nation that the US wronged in such manner. Socialism, rammed home by Fidel Castro who was in bed with Nikita khrushchev, took down Cuba.     https://images.app.goo.gl/EBuVaRKCXwqvSovi9

Venezuela went exactly the same route with exactly the same result.

Wait, are you saying the US didn't place economic sanctions on both nations?
An embargo on Cuba?  

Right or wrong, those sanctions will affect the success or failure of a country's economy.  If the US surrounds Denmark and prohibits all its allies from trading with that nation then you will see a successful socialist nation fail. 

In fact, half of Europe has large state-sponsored social programs.  If we are so antisocialism, why haven't we embargoed the entire continent?

No I am saying Fidel Castro was a ruthless dictator who oppressed his people. And I would offer that you just don't rise to a level high enough to understand world affairs and ought to be doing his job at the unemployment office instead of blogging.

[Cardfan1]

Said the frog as he jumped into the pot. If you had the faintest glimmer as to the profound irony of your post you'd be a hundred times smarter than you imagine yourself to be.

Not to mention the fact that Hoot took you to school about Cuba and Venezuela, and all you could come back with was to reassert your false liberal doctrine. Seriously, other than vector who do you think you really fool on here?

What do you mean?  Your amigo is begging for globalism.  I just wanted him to know what you say about it.  

Took me to school? Are you saying the US didn't economically intervene in either of those nations?

You cannot name a nation that the US wronged in such manner. Socialism, rammed home by Fidel Castro who was in bed with Nikita khrushchev, took down Cuba.     https://images.app.goo.gl/EBuVaRKCXwqvSovi9

Venezuela went exactly the same route with exactly the same result.

Wait, are you saying the US didn't place economic sanctions on both nations?
An embargo on Cuba?  

Right or wrong, those sanctions will affect the success or failure of a country's economy.  If the US surrounds Denmark and prohibits all its allies from trading with that nation then you will see a successful socialist nation fail. 

In fact, half of Europe has large state-sponsored social programs.  If we are so antisocialism, why haven't we embargoed the entire continent?

No I am saying Fidel Castro was a ruthless dictator who oppressed his people. And I would offer that you just don't rise to a level high enough to understand world affairs,  and ought to be doing his job at the unemployment office instead of blogging.

Fidel Castro was a dictator who oppressed his people:  no one was arguing that.   For that matter, there have been plenty of authoritarians that are capitalists.  Your friend Putin would fit into that category.   

The unemployment office could really use my help these days with all the folks out of work this past year because of the Trump flu and the Trump economy, but, unfortunately, they don't pay enough.  God bless them.  

Back on topic:  
It seems our resident curmudgeons are in the minority.   

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...-plan-poll

A majority of Americans support President Biden's proposed American Families Plan, a $1.8 trillion measure he is asking Congress to fund to help working people receive the benefits they need as the country tries to move on from the coronavirus pandemic. 
Fifty-eight percent of voters surveyed say they support the package, according to a new Morning Consult poll released this week. Among party lines, 86 percent of Democrats who responded say they back the plan, compared with 54 percent of independents and just 25 percent of Republicans.