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#31
(12-23-2020, 06:53 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Your retweets are devoid of fact. Much like Desantis’ Covid reports. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020...led-public

And the whines about mask mandates...no wonder we are going to have a white Christmas America is full of anti-masker snowflakes.
I don't see any stats refuting the chart that I posted. Was the article from a British tabloid all you could find? What about the state of the Florida economy vs. NY, CA, NJ, and IL? Does it matter that those states are destroying businesses and lives through their forced closures and other restrictions?
#32
(12-23-2020, 06:54 PM)vector#1 Wrote: Hooter don't you get your check from Government funds
So if you do you would be a Government dependent also
No. My check does not come from the government. I am a defense contractor, which means that I work for a private company that has to submit periodic bids to keep me employed.
#33
(12-23-2020, 07:05 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:54 PM)vector#1 Wrote: Hooter don't you get your check from Government funds
So if you do you would be a Government dependent also
No. My check does not come from the government. I am a defense contractor, which means that I work for a private company that has to submit periodic bids to keep me employed.
So let me see if i got this
You work for a Defense Contractor who get's there money from the federal government 
Then they give you some of that government money for whatever the hell you do 
That is the definition of a government dependent
BINGO
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  • Cardfan1
#34
(12-23-2020, 07:10 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:05 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:54 PM)vector#1 Wrote: Hooter don't you get your check from Government funds
So if you do you would be a Government dependent also
No. My check does not come from the government. I am a defense contractor, which means that I work for a private company that has to submit periodic bids to keep me employed.
So let me see if i got this
You work for a Defense Contractor who get's there money from the federal government 
Then they give you some of that government money for whatever the hell you do 
That is the definition of a government dependent
BINGO
I am no more a government dependent than a guy who sells cars to the federal government. My employer sells software applications that I design and create to the federal government, among other customers. That's a little different than the government checks that you receive. I work for a living.
#35
(12-23-2020, 07:14 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:10 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:05 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:54 PM)vector#1 Wrote: Hooter don't you get your check from Government funds
So if you do you would be a Government dependent also
No. My check does not come from the government. I am a defense contractor, which means that I work for a private company that has to submit periodic bids to keep me employed.
So let me see if i got this
You work for a Defense Contractor who get's there money from the federal government 
Then they give you some of that government money for whatever the hell you do 
That is the definition of a government dependent
BINGO
I am no more a government dependent than a guy who sells cars to the federal government. My employer sells software applications that I design and create to the federal government, among other customers. That's a little different than the government checks that you receive. I work for a living.
You are on here 24 hours a day couldn't be to hard of a so called job you do
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#36
(12-23-2020, 07:16 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:14 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:10 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:05 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:54 PM)vector#1 Wrote: Hooter don't you get your check from Government funds
So if you do you would be a Government dependent also
No. My check does not come from the government. I am a defense contractor, which means that I work for a private company that has to submit periodic bids to keep me employed.
So let me see if i got this
You work for a Defense Contractor who get's there money from the federal government 
Then they give you some of that government money for whatever the hell you do 
That is the definition of a government dependent
BINGO
I am no more a government dependent than a guy who sells cars to the federal government. My employer sells software applications that I design and create to the federal government, among other customers. That's a little different than the government checks that you receive. I work for a living.
You are on here 24 hours a day couldn't be to hard of a so called job you do
I am on leave. I like to save my vacation days for long weekends. I also post while having lunch on some days. Not that it is any of your business. I am guessing that you are not working for your check, which explains why you are always on here during the day.

Actually, programming is really not as difficult as most people believe. However, programs that contain numerous spelling and punctuation errors will not run at all. You would be ill suited for my line of work.
#37
(12-23-2020, 06:59 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:53 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Your retweets are devoid of fact. Much like Desantis’ Covid reports. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020...led-public

And the whines about mask mandates...no wonder we are going to have a white Christmas America is full of anti-masker snowflakes.
I don't see any stats refuting the chart that I posted. Was the article from a British tabloid all you could find? What about the state of the Florida economy vs. NY, CA, NJ, and IL? Does it matter that those states are destroying businesses and lives through their forced closures and other restrictions?

Wouldn’t matter if I found 50 articles and wrote a dissertation. Desantis is a Trumpy so he has your undying loyalty. 

Are you literally trying to say people are in more danger because they aren’t going in bars, restaurants,etc. and are required to wear masks?  Seriously ? 

Businesses are being destroyed, but if the world was wide open what would be happening.  Not everywhere is as magical as Florida.  

It’s where a real stimulus bill would come in.  The longer this lasts the worse it will be.

(12-23-2020, 07:14 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:10 PM)vector#1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:05 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:54 PM)vector#1 Wrote: Hooter don't you get your check from Government funds
So if you do you would be a Government dependent also
No. My check does not come from the government. I am a defense contractor, which means that I work for a private company that has to submit periodic bids to keep me employed.
So let me see if i got this
You work for a Defense Contractor who get's there money from the federal government 
Then they give you some of that government money for whatever the hell you do 
That is the definition of a government dependent
BINGO
I am no more a government dependent than a guy who sells cars to the federal government. My employer sells software applications that I design and create to the federal government, among other customers. That's a little different than the government checks that you receive. I work for a living.

Republicans love their socialism when it benefits them.
#38
(12-23-2020, 07:30 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:59 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:53 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Your retweets are devoid of fact. Much like Desantis’ Covid reports. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020...led-public

And the whines about mask mandates...no wonder we are going to have a white Christmas America is full of anti-masker snowflakes.
I don't see any stats refuting the chart that I posted. Was the article from a British tabloid all you could find? What about the state of the Florida economy vs. NY, CA, NJ, and IL? Does it matter that those states are destroying businesses and lives through their forced closures and other restrictions?

Wouldn’t matter if I found 50 articles and wrote a dissertation. Desantis is a Trumpy so he has your undying loyalty. 

Are you literally trying to say people are in more danger because they aren’t going in bars, restaurants,etc. and are required to wear masks?  Seriously ? 

Businesses are being destroyed, but if the world was wide open what would be happening.  Not everywhere is as magical as Florida.  

It’s where a real stimulus bill would come in.  The longer this lasts the worse it will be.
Over 99 percent of COVID-19 patients recover. Shutting down businesses is overkill. The country cannot afford to destroy its economy and write endless checks to people who are displaced from the economy by lockdowns. There is no evidence that shutting down businesses is slowing the spread of the virus. If there is not clear and convincing evidence that masks and lockdowns are decreasing the spread of the disease, then what sense does it make to continue to forcibly close businesses?

Besides the COVID-19 recovery rates, looking at the death and growth rates for the U.S. also does not show a significant difference between 2019 and 2020. That suggests that many of the pandemic victims would have died in 2020 had they not been infected - or the deaths caused by other causes declined because people adopted healthier habits because of the pandemic.


U.S. Death Rate 1950-2020
#39
(12-23-2020, 08:25 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:30 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:59 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:53 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Your retweets are devoid of fact. Much like Desantis’ Covid reports. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020...led-public

And the whines about mask mandates...no wonder we are going to have a white Christmas America is full of anti-masker snowflakes.
I don't see any stats refuting the chart that I posted. Was the article from a British tabloid all you could find? What about the state of the Florida economy vs. NY, CA, NJ, and IL? Does it matter that those states are destroying businesses and lives through their forced closures and other restrictions?

Wouldn’t matter if I found 50 articles and wrote a dissertation. Desantis is a Trumpy so he has your undying loyalty. 

Are you literally trying to say people are in more danger because they aren’t going in bars, restaurants,etc. and are required to wear masks?  Seriously ? 

Businesses are being destroyed, but if the world was wide open what would be happening.  Not everywhere is as magical as Florida.  

It’s where a real stimulus bill would come in.  The longer this lasts the worse it will be.
Over 99 percent of COVID-19 patients recover. Shutting down businesses is overkill. The country cannot afford to destroy its economy and write endless checks to people who are displaced from the economy by lockdowns. There is no evidence that shutting down businesses is slowing the spread of the virus. If there is not clear and convincing evidence that masks and lockdowns are decreasing the spread of the disease, then what sense does it make to continue to forcibly close businesses?

Besides the COVID-19 recovery rates, looking at the death and growth rates for the U.S. also does not show a significant difference between 2019 and 2020. That suggests that many of the pandemic victims would have died in 2020 had they not been infected - or the deaths caused by other causes declined because people adopted healthier habits because of the pandemic.


U.S. Death Rate 1950-2020
I didn't think you could get any dumber and then you post this


US deaths in 2020 top 3 million, by far most ever counted | Fox News

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ammm
#40
(12-23-2020, 08:25 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:30 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:59 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:53 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Your retweets are devoid of fact. Much like Desantis’ Covid reports. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020...led-public

And the whines about mask mandates...no wonder we are going to have a white Christmas America is full of anti-masker snowflakes.
I don't see any stats refuting the chart that I posted. Was the article from a British tabloid all you could find? What about the state of the Florida economy vs. NY, CA, NJ, and IL? Does it matter that those states are destroying businesses and lives through their forced closures and other restrictions?

Wouldn’t matter if I found 50 articles and wrote a dissertation. Desantis is a Trumpy so he has your undying loyalty. 

Are you literally trying to say people are in more danger because they aren’t going in bars, restaurants,etc. and are required to wear masks?  Seriously ? 

Businesses are being destroyed, but if the world was wide open what would be happening.  Not everywhere is as magical as Florida.  

It’s where a real stimulus bill would come in.  The longer this lasts the worse it will be.
Over 99 percent of COVID-19 patients recover. Shutting down businesses is overkill. The country cannot afford to destroy its economy and write endless checks to people who are displaced from the economy by lockdowns. There is no evidence that shutting down businesses is slowing the spread of the virus. If there is not clear and convincing evidence that masks and lockdowns are decreasing the spread of the disease, then what sense does it make to continue to forcibly close businesses?

Besides the COVID-19 recovery rates, looking at the death and growth rates for the U.S. also does not show a significant difference between 2019 and 2020. That suggests that many of the pandemic victims would have died in 2020 had they not been infected - or the deaths caused by other causes declined because people adopted healthier habits because of the pandemic.


U.S. Death Rate 1950-2020

What a horrible take...

I always felt conservatives were largely heartless, and you didn’t disappoint with a despicable post
that is fast and loose with facts. 

I know it’s hard to understand.  (Slowly talking) When people are around other people they can spread the virus. 

The evidence you’re looking for is 
common sense.
#41
(12-23-2020, 09:11 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 08:25 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:30 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:59 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:53 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Your retweets are devoid of fact. Much like Desantis’ Covid reports. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020...led-public

And the whines about mask mandates...no wonder we are going to have a white Christmas America is full of anti-masker snowflakes.
I don't see any stats refuting the chart that I posted. Was the article from a British tabloid all you could find? What about the state of the Florida economy vs. NY, CA, NJ, and IL? Does it matter that those states are destroying businesses and lives through their forced closures and other restrictions?

Wouldn’t matter if I found 50 articles and wrote a dissertation. Desantis is a Trumpy so he has your undying loyalty. 

Are you literally trying to say people are in more danger because they aren’t going in bars, restaurants,etc. and are required to wear masks?  Seriously ? 

Businesses are being destroyed, but if the world was wide open what would be happening.  Not everywhere is as magical as Florida.  

It’s where a real stimulus bill would come in.  The longer this lasts the worse it will be.
Over 99 percent of COVID-19 patients recover. Shutting down businesses is overkill. The country cannot afford to destroy its economy and write endless checks to people who are displaced from the economy by lockdowns. There is no evidence that shutting down businesses is slowing the spread of the virus. If there is not clear and convincing evidence that masks and lockdowns are decreasing the spread of the disease, then what sense does it make to continue to forcibly close businesses?

Besides the COVID-19 recovery rates, looking at the death and growth rates for the U.S. also does not show a significant difference between 2019 and 2020. That suggests that many of the pandemic victims would have died in 2020 had they not been infected - or the deaths caused by other causes declined because people adopted healthier habits because of the pandemic.


U.S. Death Rate 1950-2020

What a horrible take...

I always felt conservatives were largely heartless, and you didn’t disappoint with a despicable post
that is fast and loose with facts. 

I know it’s hard to understand.  (Slowly talking) When people are around other people they can spread the virus. 

The evidence you’re looking for is 
common sense.
I have found the evidence and you choose to ignore it. People are fleeing states like California, New York, and New Jersey in huge numbers. People cannot thrive in this country without jobs. Democrats are aggressively killing jobs. Deaths by suicide and drug overdoses have soared. Socialism spreads misery.
#42
(12-23-2020, 09:24 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:11 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 08:25 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:30 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:59 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I don't see any stats refuting the chart that I posted. Was the article from a British tabloid all you could find? What about the state of the Florida economy vs. NY, CA, NJ, and IL? Does it matter that those states are destroying businesses and lives through their forced closures and other restrictions?

Wouldn’t matter if I found 50 articles and wrote a dissertation. Desantis is a Trumpy so he has your undying loyalty. 

Are you literally trying to say people are in more danger because they aren’t going in bars, restaurants,etc. and are required to wear masks?  Seriously ? 

Businesses are being destroyed, but if the world was wide open what would be happening.  Not everywhere is as magical as Florida.  

It’s where a real stimulus bill would come in.  The longer this lasts the worse it will be.
Over 99 percent of COVID-19 patients recover. Shutting down businesses is overkill. The country cannot afford to destroy its economy and write endless checks to people who are displaced from the economy by lockdowns. There is no evidence that shutting down businesses is slowing the spread of the virus. If there is not clear and convincing evidence that masks and lockdowns are decreasing the spread of the disease, then what sense does it make to continue to forcibly close businesses?

Besides the COVID-19 recovery rates, looking at the death and growth rates for the U.S. also does not show a significant difference between 2019 and 2020. That suggests that many of the pandemic victims would have died in 2020 had they not been infected - or the deaths caused by other causes declined because people adopted healthier habits because of the pandemic.


U.S. Death Rate 1950-2020

What a horrible take...

I always felt conservatives were largely heartless, and you didn’t disappoint with a despicable post
that is fast and loose with facts. 

I know it’s hard to understand.  (Slowly talking) When people are around other people they can spread the virus. 

The evidence you’re looking for is 
common sense.
I have found the evidence and you choose to ignore it. People are fleeing states like California, New York, and New Jersey in huge numbers. People cannot thrive in this country without jobs. Democrats are aggressively killing jobs. Deaths by suicide and drug overdoses have soared. Socialism spreads misery.

This is the deadliest year ever for Americans.  We have been running at about 60% and will lose 400k more lives than we ever have. Your figures ,like you, didn’t prove your point. 

People are fleeing the population centers during a pandemic.  Be careful what you wish for though Hoot.  All this cheering for the blue state exodus will flip some of these Republican safe havens like Texas, Florida, and Georgia. 

These people would have overdosed or committed suicide anyway.   Dodgy
   *see how that works. 

I agree. It is misery when that socialism is sucked up by the rich in tax breaks and subsidies. In turn it drives up inflation making it damn near impossible for citizens to live.
#43
(12-23-2020, 09:49 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:24 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:11 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 08:25 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:30 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Wouldn’t matter if I found 50 articles and wrote a dissertation. Desantis is a Trumpy so he has your undying loyalty. 

Are you literally trying to say people are in more danger because they aren’t going in bars, restaurants,etc. and are required to wear masks?  Seriously ? 

Businesses are being destroyed, but if the world was wide open what would be happening.  Not everywhere is as magical as Florida.  

It’s where a real stimulus bill would come in.  The longer this lasts the worse it will be.
Over 99 percent of COVID-19 patients recover. Shutting down businesses is overkill. The country cannot afford to destroy its economy and write endless checks to people who are displaced from the economy by lockdowns. There is no evidence that shutting down businesses is slowing the spread of the virus. If there is not clear and convincing evidence that masks and lockdowns are decreasing the spread of the disease, then what sense does it make to continue to forcibly close businesses?

Besides the COVID-19 recovery rates, looking at the death and growth rates for the U.S. also does not show a significant difference between 2019 and 2020. That suggests that many of the pandemic victims would have died in 2020 had they not been infected - or the deaths caused by other causes declined because people adopted healthier habits because of the pandemic.


U.S. Death Rate 1950-2020

What a horrible take...

I always felt conservatives were largely heartless, and you didn’t disappoint with a despicable post
that is fast and loose with facts. 

I know it’s hard to understand.  (Slowly talking) When people are around other people they can spread the virus. 

The evidence you’re looking for is 
common sense.
I have found the evidence and you choose to ignore it. People are fleeing states like California, New York, and New Jersey in huge numbers. People cannot thrive in this country without jobs. Democrats are aggressively killing jobs. Deaths by suicide and drug overdoses have soared. Socialism spreads misery.

This is the deadliest year ever for Americans.  We have been running at about 60% and will lose 400k more lives than we ever have. Your figures ,like you, didn’t prove your point. 

People are fleeing the population centers during a pandemic.  Be careful what you wish for though Hoot.  All this cheering for the blue state exodus will flip some of these Republican safe havens like Texas, Florida, and Georgia. 

These people would have overdosed or committed suicide anyway.   Dodgy
   *see how that works. 

I agree. It is misery when that socialism is sucked up by the rich in tax breaks and subsidies. In turn it drives up inflation making it damn near impossible for citizens to live.
People are fleeing oppression before what wealth they have left is redistributed. You really cannot put a coherent argument together. Donald Trump begged Congress to send him a clean COVID-19 bill targeted at individuals and small businesses.

What Congress passed was a bill filled with pork barrel spending and foreign aid and a measly $600 payment to individuals. Trump said that he will veto it. You criticized him. Now you whine that "socialism is sucked up by the rich" when Democrats insisted on inserting that spending into the bill, not Trump, Pelosi. I am beginning to think that you just really enjoy whining.
#44
(12-23-2020, 08:25 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 07:30 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:59 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 06:53 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Your retweets are devoid of fact. Much like Desantis’ Covid reports. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020...led-public

And the whines about mask mandates...no wonder we are going to have a white Christmas America is full of anti-masker snowflakes.
I don't see any stats refuting the chart that I posted. Was the article from a British tabloid all you could find? What about the state of the Florida economy vs. NY, CA, NJ, and IL? Does it matter that those states are destroying businesses and lives through their forced closures and other restrictions?

Wouldn’t matter if I found 50 articles and wrote a dissertation. Desantis is a Trumpy so he has your undying loyalty. 

Are you literally trying to say people are in more danger because they aren’t going in bars, restaurants,etc. and are required to wear masks?  Seriously ? 

Businesses are being destroyed, but if the world was wide open what would be happening.  Not everywhere is as magical as Florida.  

It’s where a real stimulus bill would come in.  The longer this lasts the worse it will be.
Over 99 percent of COVID-19 patients recover. Shutting down businesses is overkill. The country cannot afford to destroy its economy and write endless checks to people who are displaced from the economy by lockdowns. There is no evidence that shutting down businesses is slowing the spread of the virus. If there is not clear and convincing evidence that masks and lockdowns are decreasing the spread of the disease, then what sense does it make to continue to forcibly close businesses?

Besides the COVID-19 recovery rates, looking at the death and growth rates for the U.S. also does not show a significant difference between 2019 and 2020. That suggests that many of the pandemic victims would have died in 2020 had they not been infected - or the deaths caused by other causes declined because people adopted healthier habits because of the pandemic.


U.S. Death Rate 1950-2020


^^ This is exactly right. It would have been bad enough expanding our upper spending limits exponentially into the stratosphere as things stood; But Dems have insisted on shrinking the base GDP at the same time by enforcing their mindless lockdowns and driving thousands of people out of business. Not to mention making it nearly impossible to be seen for medical needs and myriad other ills which will not resolve until long after the virus is a thing of the past.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
#45
Trump’s only begging was saved for his paid girls like Stormy Daniels. He hasn’t done anything, ANYTHING, in the past six weeks except to look (unsuccessfully) for ways to overturn a clearly legal election in which he got spanked (Stormy, is that you?) and to grant pardons to many convicted felons. No wonder you guys find him so dreamy!!!
#46
(12-23-2020, 10:46 PM)Van Hagar Wrote: Trump’s only begging was saved for his paid girls like Stormy Daniels. He hasn’t done anything, ANYTHING, in the past six weeks except to look  (unsuccessfully) for ways to overturn a clearly legal election in which he got spanked (Stormy, is that you?) and to grant pardons to many convicted felons. No wonder you guys find him so dreamy!!!
You voted for an elderly pedophile suffering from dementia. What kind of sick fetish made Joe your dream candidate? He and his wife Dr. Pepper raised Hunter, who is an even bigger pervert than his pappy. At least Stormy was an adult. I can't say the same about many of the objects of Joe and Hunter's affection.
#47
(12-23-2020, 10:10 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:49 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:24 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:11 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 08:25 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: Over 99 percent of COVID-19 patients recover. Shutting down businesses is overkill. The country cannot afford to destroy its economy and write endless checks to people who are displaced from the economy by lockdowns. There is no evidence that shutting down businesses is slowing the spread of the virus. If there is not clear and convincing evidence that masks and lockdowns are decreasing the spread of the disease, then what sense does it make to continue to forcibly close businesses?

Besides the COVID-19 recovery rates, looking at the death and growth rates for the U.S. also does not show a significant difference between 2019 and 2020. That suggests that many of the pandemic victims would have died in 2020 had they not been infected - or the deaths caused by other causes declined because people adopted healthier habits because of the pandemic.


U.S. Death Rate 1950-2020

What a horrible take...

I always felt conservatives were largely heartless, and you didn’t disappoint with a despicable post
that is fast and loose with facts. 

I know it’s hard to understand.  (Slowly talking) When people are around other people they can spread the virus. 

The evidence you’re looking for is 
common sense.
I have found the evidence and you choose to ignore it. People are fleeing states like California, New York, and New Jersey in huge numbers. People cannot thrive in this country without jobs. Democrats are aggressively killing jobs. Deaths by suicide and drug overdoses have soared. Socialism spreads misery.

This is the deadliest year ever for Americans.  We have been running at about 60% and will lose 400k more lives than we ever have. Your figures ,like you, didn’t prove your point. 

People are fleeing the population centers during a pandemic.  Be careful what you wish for though Hoot.  All this cheering for the blue state exodus will flip some of these Republican safe havens like Texas, Florida, and Georgia. 

These people would have overdosed or committed suicide anyway.   Dodgy
   *see how that works. 

I agree. It is misery when that socialism is sucked up by the rich in tax breaks and subsidies. In turn it drives up inflation making it damn near impossible for citizens to live.
People are fleeing oppression before what wealth they have left is redistributed. You really cannot put a coherent argument together. Donald Trump begged Congress to send him a clean COVID-19 bill targeted at individuals and small businesses.

What Congress passed was a bill filled with pork barrel spending and foreign aid and a measly $600 payment to individuals. Trump said that he will veto it. You criticized him. Now you whine that "socialism is sucked up by the rich" when Democrats insisted on inserting that spending into the bill, not Trump, Pelosi. I am beginning to think that you just really enjoy whining

You realize when these people move to these new areas with their wealth and drive up the real estate and everything else the same problem will happen.  But let’s pity the people who have wealth and can leave because their taxes are too high. 

When did Donald Trump do that?  More comedy.  
You are leaving the absolute king of obstruction. Mitch has held up any stimulus because he wants protections for businesses, so they can’t be held liable for any spread of COVID.  When Trump said he wanted 2k for every citizen, the House went to work. McConnell and the Senate is the problem. 

Strangely, we are saying the same thing about the bill. It’s disrespect and disregard of the American citizen.
#48
(12-23-2020, 11:15 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 10:10 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:49 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:24 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:11 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: What a horrible take...

I always felt conservatives were largely heartless, and you didn’t disappoint with a despicable post
that is fast and loose with facts. 

I know it’s hard to understand.  (Slowly talking) When people are around other people they can spread the virus. 

The evidence you’re looking for is 
common sense.
I have found the evidence and you choose to ignore it. People are fleeing states like California, New York, and New Jersey in huge numbers. People cannot thrive in this country without jobs. Democrats are aggressively killing jobs. Deaths by suicide and drug overdoses have soared. Socialism spreads misery.

This is the deadliest year ever for Americans.  We have been running at about 60% and will lose 400k more lives than we ever have. Your figures ,like you, didn’t prove your point. 

People are fleeing the population centers during a pandemic.  Be careful what you wish for though Hoot.  All this cheering for the blue state exodus will flip some of these Republican safe havens like Texas, Florida, and Georgia. 

These people would have overdosed or committed suicide anyway.   Dodgy
   *see how that works. 

I agree. It is misery when that socialism is sucked up by the rich in tax breaks and subsidies. In turn it drives up inflation making it damn near impossible for citizens to live.
People are fleeing oppression before what wealth they have left is redistributed. You really cannot put a coherent argument together. Donald Trump begged Congress to send him a clean COVID-19 bill targeted at individuals and small businesses.

What Congress passed was a bill filled with pork barrel spending and foreign aid and a measly $600 payment to individuals. Trump said that he will veto it. You criticized him. Now you whine that "socialism is sucked up by the rich" when Democrats insisted on inserting that spending into the bill, not Trump, Pelosi. I am beginning to think that you just really enjoy whining

You realize when these people move to these new areas with their wealth and drive up the real estate and everything else the same problem will happen.  But let’s pity the people who have wealth and can leave because their taxes are too high. 

When did Donald Trump do that?  More comedy.  
You are leaving the absolute king of obstruction. Mitch has held up any stimulus because he wants protections for businesses, so they can’t be held liable for any spread of COVID.  When Trump said he wanted 2k for every citizen, the House went to work. McConnell and the Senate is the problem. 

Strangely, we are saying the same thing about the bill. It’s disrespect and disregard of the American citizen.
No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.
#49
(12-23-2020, 11:25 PM)In Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:15 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 10:10 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:49 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:24 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: I have found the evidence and you choose to ignore it. People are fleeing states like California, New York, and New Jersey in huge numbers. People cannot thrive in this country without jobs. Democrats are aggressively killing jobs. Deaths by suicide and drug overdoses have soared. Socialism spreads misery.

This is the deadliest year ever for Americans.  We have been running at about 60% and will lose 400k more lives than we ever have. Your figures ,like you, didn’t prove your point. 

People are fleeing the population centers during a pandemic.  Be careful what you wish for though Hoot.  All this cheering for the blue state exodus will flip some of these Republican safe havens like Texas, Florida, and Georgia. 

These people would have overdosed or committed suicide anyway.   Dodgy
   *see how that works. 

I agree. It is misery when that socialism is sucked up by the rich in tax breaks and subsidies. In turn it drives up inflation making it damn near impossible for citizens to live.
People are fleeing oppression before what wealth they have left is redistributed. You really cannot put a coherent argument together. Donald Trump begged Congress to send him a clean COVID-19 bill targeted at individuals and small businesses.

What Congress passed was a bill filled with pork barrel spending and foreign aid and a measly $600 payment to individuals. Trump said that he will veto it. You criticized him. Now you whine that "socialism is sucked up by the rich" when Democrats insisted on inserting that spending into the bill, not Trump, Pelosi. I am beginning to think that you just really enjoy whining

You realize when these people move to these new areas with their wealth and drive up the real estate and everything else the same problem will happen.  But let’s pity the people who have wealth and can leave because their taxes are too high. 

When did Donald Trump do that?  More comedy.  
You are leaving the absolute king of obstruction. Mitch has held up any stimulus because he wants protections for businesses, so they can’t be held liable for any spread of COVID.  When Trump said he wanted 2k for every citizen, the House went to work. McConnell and the Senate is the problem. 

Strangely, we are saying the same thing about the bill. It’s disrespect and disregard of the American citizen.
No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!!  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
#50
(12-23-2020, 11:47 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:25 PM)In Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:15 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 10:10 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 09:49 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: This is the deadliest year ever for Americans.  We have been running at about 60% and will lose 400k more lives than we ever have. Your figures ,like you, didn’t prove your point. 

People are fleeing the population centers during a pandemic.  Be careful what you wish for though Hoot.  All this cheering for the blue state exodus will flip some of these Republican safe havens like Texas, Florida, and Georgia. 

These people would have overdosed or committed suicide anyway.   Dodgy
   *see how that works. 

I agree. It is misery when that socialism is sucked up by the rich in tax breaks and subsidies. In turn it drives up inflation making it damn near impossible for citizens to live.
People are fleeing oppression before what wealth they have left is redistributed. You really cannot put a coherent argument together. Donald Trump begged Congress to send him a clean COVID-19 bill targeted at individuals and small businesses.

What Congress passed was a bill filled with pork barrel spending and foreign aid and a measly $600 payment to individuals. Trump said that he will veto it. You criticized him. Now you whine that "socialism is sucked up by the rich" when Democrats insisted on inserting that spending into the bill, not Trump, Pelosi. I am beginning to think that you just really enjoy whining

You realize when these people move to these new areas with their wealth and drive up the real estate and everything else the same problem will happen.  But let’s pity the people who have wealth and can leave because their taxes are too high. 

When did Donald Trump do that?  More comedy.  
You are leaving the absolute king of obstruction. Mitch has held up any stimulus because he wants protections for businesses, so they can’t be held liable for any spread of COVID.  When Trump said he wanted 2k for every citizen, the House went to work. McConnell and the Senate is the problem. 

Strangely, we are saying the same thing about the bill. It’s disrespect and disregard of the American citizen.
No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!!  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.
#51
(12-24-2020, 12:10 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:47 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:25 PM)In Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:15 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 10:10 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: People are fleeing oppression before what wealth they have left is redistributed. You really cannot put a coherent argument together. Donald Trump begged Congress to send him a clean COVID-19 bill targeted at individuals and small businesses.

What Congress passed was a bill filled with pork barrel spending and foreign aid and a measly $600 payment to individuals. Trump said that he will veto it. You criticized him. Now you whine that "socialism is sucked up by the rich" when Democrats insisted on inserting that spending into the bill, not Trump, Pelosi. I am beginning to think that you just really enjoy whining

You realize when these people move to these new areas with their wealth and drive up the real estate and everything else the same problem will happen.  But let’s pity the people who have wealth and can leave because their taxes are too high. 

When did Donald Trump do that?  More comedy.  
You are leaving the absolute king of obstruction. Mitch has held up any stimulus because he wants protections for businesses, so they can’t be held liable for any spread of COVID.  When Trump said he wanted 2k for every citizen, the House went to work. McConnell and the Senate is the problem. 

Strangely, we are saying the same thing about the bill. It’s disrespect and disregard of the American citizen.
No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!!  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

4 more paragraphs of fabulist mush.  Are you copying this from some 30 year old conservative handbook? Most of this garbage has been debunked for the past decade. 

So if blue states are poorly run and require federal assistance during a pandemic.  Why are red states taking money every year ?  
What’s their excuse ?! 

The myth of reaganomics and trickle down wealth has been exposed over and over.  All it did was create massive income inequality: socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for the poor. 
Bush 1 was forced to raise taxes and lose the election in the fallout.  

The misery index is going to be pretty high over the next few years as our nation tries to get over the Trump Flu and the Grinches in Congress.
#52
(12-24-2020, 12:54 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:10 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:47 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:25 PM)In Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:15 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: You realize when these people move to these new areas with their wealth and drive up the real estate and everything else the same problem will happen.  But let’s pity the people who have wealth and can leave because their taxes are too high. 

When did Donald Trump do that?  More comedy.  
You are leaving the absolute king of obstruction. Mitch has held up any stimulus because he wants protections for businesses, so they can’t be held liable for any spread of COVID.  When Trump said he wanted 2k for every citizen, the House went to work. McConnell and the Senate is the problem. 

Strangely, we are saying the same thing about the bill. It’s disrespect and disregard of the American citizen.
No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!!  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

4 more paragraphs of fabulist mush.  Are you copying this from some 30 year old conservative handbook? Most of this garbage has been debunked for the past decade. 

So if blue states are poorly run and require federal assistance during a pandemic.  Why are red states taking money every year ?  
What’s their excuse ?! 

The myth of reaganomics and trickle down wealth has been exposed over and over.  All it did was create massive income inequality: socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for the poor. 
Bush 1 was forced to raise taxes and lose the election in the fallout.  

The misery index is going to be pretty high over the next few years as our nation tries to get over the Trump Flu and the Grinches in Congress.
None of what I posted above has been debunked. I believe that you have been vaccinated against the truth and it appears to be 100 percent effective. Living your lives won't save you from the truth.
#53
(12-24-2020, 12:56 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:54 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:10 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:47 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:25 PM)In Hoot Gibson Wrote: No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!!  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

4 more paragraphs of fabulist mush.  Are you copying this from some 30 year old conservative handbook? Most of this garbage has been debunked for the past decade. 

So if blue states are poorly run and require federal assistance during a pandemic.  Why are red states taking money every year ?  
What’s their excuse ?! 

The myth of reaganomics and trickle down wealth has been exposed over and over.  All it did was create massive income inequality: socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for the poor. 
Bush 1 was forced to raise taxes and lose the election in the fallout.  

The misery index is going to be pretty high over the next few years as our nation tries to get over the Trump Flu and the Grinches in Congress.
None of what I posted above has been debunked. I believe that you have been vaccinated against the truth and it appears to be 100 percent effective. Living your lives won't save you from the truth.
Thank God!!
I would take a daily vaccine and wear a mask and hazmat suit to ward off the fever dreams of your truth.  Cool
#54
(12-24-2020, 01:17 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:56 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:54 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:10 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-23-2020, 11:47 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!!  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

4 more paragraphs of fabulist mush.  Are you copying this from some 30 year old conservative handbook? Most of this garbage has been debunked for the past decade. 

So if blue states are poorly run and require federal assistance during a pandemic.  Why are red states taking money every year ?  
What’s their excuse ?! 

The myth of reaganomics and trickle down wealth has been exposed over and over.  All it did was create massive income inequality: socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for the poor. 
Bush 1 was forced to raise taxes and lose the election in the fallout.  

The misery index is going to be pretty high over the next few years as our nation tries to get over the Trump Flu and the Grinches in Congress.
None of what I posted above has been debunked. I believe that you have been vaccinated against the truth and it appears to be 100 percent effective. Living your lives won't save you from the truth.
Thank God!!
I would take a daily vaccine and wear a mask and hazmat suit to ward off the fever dreams of your truth.  Cool
I meant to say living your lies won't save you from the truth. This country is not immune to the basic laws of economics. Long term deficit spending and intentionally weakening our economy will eventually impact this country in the same way that the Roman Empire, Germany, and several Latin American countries were impacted. The belief of people like you that "it can't happen here" is fundamentally wrong. It is such a shame to see Americans so ignorant of such an important field as economics.
#55
(12-24-2020, 01:32 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 01:17 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:56 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:54 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:10 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

4 more paragraphs of fabulist mush.  Are you copying this from some 30 year old conservative handbook? Most of this garbage has been debunked for the past decade. 

So if blue states are poorly run and require federal assistance during a pandemic.  Why are red states taking money every year ?  
What’s their excuse ?! 

The myth of reaganomics and trickle down wealth has been exposed over and over.  All it did was create massive income inequality: socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for the poor. 
Bush 1 was forced to raise taxes and lose the election in the fallout.  

The misery index is going to be pretty high over the next few years as our nation tries to get over the Trump Flu and the Grinches in Congress.
None of what I posted above has been debunked. I believe that you have been vaccinated against the truth and it appears to be 100 percent effective. Living your lives won't save you from the truth.
Thank God!!
I would take a daily vaccine and wear a mask and hazmat suit to ward off the fever dreams of your truth.  Cool
I meant to say living your lies won't save you from the truth. This country is not immune to the basic laws of economics. Long term deficit spending and intentionally weakening our economy will eventually impact this country in the same way that the Roman Empire, Germany, and several Latin American countries were impacted. The belief of people like you that "it can't happen here" is fundamentally wrong. It is such a shame to see Americans so ignorant of such an important field as economics.

I was thinking more Russian Revolution where socioeconomic inequality shredded the country.  

The same is happening here and has been exacerbated during this Pandemic and the despicable response by our federal government.
#56
(12-24-2020, 11:22 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 01:32 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 01:17 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:56 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:54 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 4 more paragraphs of fabulist mush.  Are you copying this from some 30 year old conservative handbook? Most of this garbage has been debunked for the past decade. 

So if blue states are poorly run and require federal assistance during a pandemic.  Why are red states taking money every year ?  
What’s their excuse ?! 

The myth of reaganomics and trickle down wealth has been exposed over and over.  All it did was create massive income inequality: socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for the poor. 
Bush 1 was forced to raise taxes and lose the election in the fallout.  

The misery index is going to be pretty high over the next few years as our nation tries to get over the Trump Flu and the Grinches in Congress.
None of what I posted above has been debunked. I believe that you have been vaccinated against the truth and it appears to be 100 percent effective. Living your lives won't save you from the truth.
Thank God!!
I would take a daily vaccine and wear a mask and hazmat suit to ward off the fever dreams of your truth.  Cool
I meant to say living your lies won't save you from the truth. This country is not immune to the basic laws of economics. Long term deficit spending and intentionally weakening our economy will eventually impact this country in the same way that the Roman Empire, Germany, and several Latin American countries were impacted. The belief of people like you that "it can't happen here" is fundamentally wrong. It is such a shame to see Americans so ignorant of such an important field as economics.

I was thinking more Russian Revolution where socioeconomic inequality shredded the country.  

The same is happening here and has been exacerbated during this Pandemic and the despicable response by our federal government.
No, what is happening here is an attempted takeover of a democratic society by the Chinese Communist Party through a combination of good, old fashioned bribery, blackmail, and cyber warfare. The Chinese government is hollowing out this nation's government from within.
#57
(12-24-2020, 11:22 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 01:32 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 01:17 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:56 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:54 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 4 more paragraphs of fabulist mush.  Are you copying this from some 30 year old conservative handbook? Most of this garbage has been debunked for the past decade. 

So if blue states are poorly run and require federal assistance during a pandemic.  Why are red states taking money every year ?  
What’s their excuse ?! 

The myth of reaganomics and trickle down wealth has been exposed over and over.  All it did was create massive income inequality: socialism for the rich and rugged capitalism for the poor. 
Bush 1 was forced to raise taxes and lose the election in the fallout.  

The misery index is going to be pretty high over the next few years as our nation tries to get over the Trump Flu and the Grinches in Congress.
None of what I posted above has been debunked. I believe that you have been vaccinated against the truth and it appears to be 100 percent effective. Living your lives won't save you from the truth.
Thank God!!
I would take a daily vaccine and wear a mask and hazmat suit to ward off the fever dreams of your truth.  Cool
I meant to say living your lies won't save you from the truth. This country is not immune to the basic laws of economics. Long term deficit spending and intentionally weakening our economy will eventually impact this country in the same way that the Roman Empire, Germany, and several Latin American countries were impacted. The belief of people like you that "it can't happen here" is fundamentally wrong. It is such a shame to see Americans so ignorant of such an important field as economics.

I was thinking more Russian Revolution where socioeconomic inequality shredded the country.  

The same is happening here and has been exacerbated during this Pandemic and the despicable response by our federal government.


No doubt in my mind. What else would a guy like you choose to reference?  Although your reference is revisionist, shocker.

A proper characterization of the Russian Revolultion--
"During the Russian Revolution (1917), the Bolsheviks, led by leftist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, seized power and destroyed the tradition of csarist rule. The Bolsheviks would later become the Communist Party of the Soviet Union."
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#58
The bill that will be presented for a vote on Monday will still be loaded with foreign aid and who knows what else because once again, nobody will have time to read it before voting. Trump should veto the bill and read the list of pork and foreign aid included, much of which is targeted at governments hostile to the United States. If McConnell were a man of principle, he would not even bring the bill to a vote in the Senate but that would probably not please his Chinese masters.
#59
(12-24-2020, 02:25 PM)TheRealThing Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 11:22 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 01:32 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 01:17 AM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(12-24-2020, 12:56 AM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: None of what I posted above has been debunked. I believe that you have been vaccinated against the truth and it appears to be 100 percent effective. Living your lives won't save you from the truth.
Thank God!!
I would take a daily vaccine and wear a mask and hazmat suit to ward off the fever dreams of your truth.  Cool
I meant to say living your lies won't save you from the truth. This country is not immune to the basic laws of economics. Long term deficit spending and intentionally weakening our economy will eventually impact this country in the same way that the Roman Empire, Germany, and several Latin American countries were impacted. The belief of people like you that "it can't happen here" is fundamentally wrong. It is such a shame to see Americans so ignorant of such an important field as economics.

I was thinking more Russian Revolution where socioeconomic inequality shredded the country.  

The same is happening here and has been exacerbated during this Pandemic and the despicable response by our federal government.


No doubt in my mind. What else would a guy like you choose to reference?  Although your reference is revisionist, shocker.

A proper characterization of the Russian Revolultion--
"During the Russian Revolution (1917), the Bolsheviks, led by leftist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, seized power and destroyed the tradition of csarist rule. The Bolsheviks would later become the Communist Party of the Soviet Union."

More happened than that.  There were several groups,  all were not socialist,  and there was a long evolution to the evils of Stalin’s authoritarian communism.  

My point is when the wealth is held at the top the end is near.  Starving people unite whatever their political philosophy may be.
#60
(12-24-2020, 02:57 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote: The bill that will be presented for a vote on Monday will still be loaded with foreign aid and who knows what else because once again, nobody will have time to read it before voting. Trump should veto the bill and read the list of pork and foreign aid included, much of which is targeted at governments hostile to the United States. If McConnell were a man of principle, he would not even bring the bill to a vote in the Senate but that would probably not please his Chinese masters.

You do realize that most of the spending in this package that you are disparaging comes directly from Trump's budget item requests.  These are not add ons from the Demsocrats.

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