[mr.fundamental]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-s...-in-voting

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ken...&FORM=VIRE

I am surprised that this had not been discussed. This week has been crazy as I cited in another post. I need something to distract me, hoot, TRT, let's hear your thoughts on this...

[Cardfan1]

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/ne...584784002/

Proud of KY politicians on both sides of the aisle for reaching a reasonable compromise rather than allow Trump to poison the voting process in KY. Voters will need to be diligent this year. This administration is out to suppress and disenfranchise ALL voters. Hard to believe some Americans are still buying in.

[jetpilot]

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/ne...584784002/

Proud of KY politicians on both sides of the aisle for reaching a reasonable compromise rather than allow Trump to poison the voting process in KY.  Voters will need to be diligent this year.  This administration is out to suppress and disenfranchise ALL voters.  Hard to believe some Americans are still buying in.

This is a lie.

[jetpilot]

Buck Sexton
@BuckSexton
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The number of reporters too stupid or dishonest to know the difference between hugely disruptive, risky universal mail in ballots and well-established absentee voting procedures should be surprising, but it’s not

Many of our most ignorant Bolsheviks are journalism school grads

[Cardfan1]

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/ne...584784002/

Proud of KY politicians on both sides of the aisle for reaching a reasonable compromise rather than allow Trump to poison the voting process in KY.  Voters will need to be diligent this year.  This administration is out to suppress and disenfranchise ALL voters.  Hard to believe some Americans are still buying in.

This is a lie.

Wrong As usual. 

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?  

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"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?

[Hoot Gibson]

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/ne...584784002/

Proud of KY politicians on both sides of the aisle for reaching a reasonable compromise rather than allow Trump to poison the voting process in KY.  Voters will need to be diligent this year.  This administration is out to suppress and disenfranchise ALL voters.  Hard to believe some Americans are still buying in.

This is a lie.

Wrong As usual. 

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?  

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"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?

Another lie. Nobody has the right to have a ballot mailed to them. Most, if not all states, already allow voters to request an absentee ballot. In Virginia, more than 500,000 ballots have already been mailed "by mistake." This is just another attempt to undermine the voting process so that they can have a flimsy, fabricated excuse if they lose the election this fall. 

Trump should not even be suggesting that funding for another liberal attempt to steal an election is up for negotiation. Any increased funding for the USPS should come after the election, if at all.

[Cardfan1]

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/ne...584784002/

Proud of KY politicians on both sides of the aisle for reaching a reasonable compromise rather than allow Trump to poison the voting process in KY.  Voters will need to be diligent this year.  This administration is out to suppress and disenfranchise ALL voters.  Hard to believe some Americans are still buying in.

This is a lie.

Wrong As usual. 

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?  

---

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?

Another lie. Nobody has the right to have a ballot mailed to them. Most, if not all states, already allow voters to request an absentee ballot. In Virginia, more than 500,000 ballots have already been mailed "by mistake." This is just another attempt to undermine the voting process so that they can have a flimsy, fabricated excuse if they lose the election this fall. 

Trump should not even be suggesting that funding for another liberal attempt to steal an election is up for negotiation. Any increased funding for the USPS should come after the election, if at all.

States decide their election standards. It would be total irony if the buffoon cost himself the election because states work independently after he left them in the lurch during a national crisis.

On one hand I agree.  Citizens should request a before receiving a ballot. But there are states that mail in for every vote and have an extremely low rate of voter fraud that send out the ballots. Those states have leaders of both parties that support the system. 

Jamming up the postal service suppresses all voters, which IMO worse than the very low percentage of voter fraud. 

Not to mention business and personal mail that is being displaced.  

Totally unAmerican.

[Hoot Gibson]

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/ne...584784002/

Proud of KY politicians on both sides of the aisle for reaching a reasonable compromise rather than allow Trump to poison the voting process in KY.  Voters will need to be diligent this year.  This administration is out to suppress and disenfranchise ALL voters.  Hard to believe some Americans are still buying in.

This is a lie.

Wrong As usual. 

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?  

---

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?

Another lie. Nobody has the right to have a ballot mailed to them. Most, if not all states, already allow voters to request an absentee ballot. In Virginia, more than 500,000 ballots have already been mailed "by mistake." This is just another attempt to undermine the voting process so that they can have a flimsy, fabricated excuse if they lose the election this fall. 

Trump should not even be suggesting that funding for another liberal attempt to steal an election is up for negotiation. Any increased funding for the USPS should come after the election, if at all.

States decide their election standards. It would be total irony if the buffoon cost himself the election because states work independently after he left them in the lurch during a national crisis.

On one hand I agree.  Citizens should request a before receiving a ballot. But there are states that mail in for every vote and have an extremely low rate of voter fraud that send out the ballots. Those states have leaders of both parties that support the system. 

Jamming up the postal service suppresses all voters, which IMO worse than the very low percentage of voter fraud. 

Not to mention business and personal mail that is being displaced.  

Totally unAmerican.

Trump is not the one who is making changes to the voting procedures that threaten to slow mail delivery to a crawl and bankrupt the USPS. Liberal Democrats are making those changes to deliberately create chaos during the vote counting process and create more opportunities for voter fraud. You should make your catch phrase "Totally unAmerican" into a sign and hang it around your scrawny little neck. 

[TheRealThing]

^^ The left are so self absorbed they now believe once something, anything, pops into the thin atmosphere of their noggins, it just becomes reality. Of course, in the same way Billy Boy showed the people how to lie, Barack showed showed them how to invent your own personal reality. Name it and claim it; then it's real. Not that the friendly confines of La-La Land have not always been the libs favorite redoubt. They always did play the game well; they think they can say anything, and then just run back to safety via the "Ollie Ollie Homefree." Then viola, the next morning it's a new day and the slate is once again magically wiped clean.

What's happening here Hoot if you ask me, is just a case of them believing their own propaganda. The rest of us don't, but that concept is over their heads.

[Cardfan1]

This is a lie.

Wrong As usual. 

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?  

---

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?

Another lie. Nobody has the right to have a ballot mailed to them. Most, if not all states, already allow voters to request an absentee ballot. In Virginia, more than 500,000 ballots have already been mailed "by mistake." This is just another attempt to undermine the voting process so that they can have a flimsy, fabricated excuse if they lose the election this fall. 

Trump should not even be suggesting that funding for another liberal attempt to steal an election is up for negotiation. Any increased funding for the USPS should come after the election, if at all.

States decide their election standards. It would be total irony if the buffoon cost himself the election because states work independently after he left them in the lurch during a national crisis.

On one hand I agree.  Citizens should request a before receiving a ballot. But there are states that mail in for every vote and have an extremely low rate of voter fraud that send out the ballots. Those states have leaders of both parties that support the system. 

Jamming up the postal service suppresses all voters, which IMO worse than the very low percentage of voter fraud. 

Not to mention business and personal mail that is being displaced.  

Totally unAmerican.

Trump is not the one who is making changes to the voting procedures that threaten to slow mail delivery to a crawl and bankrupt the USPS. Liberal Democrats are making those changes to deliberately create chaos during the vote counting process and create more opportunities for voter fraud. You should make your catch phrase "Totally unAmerican" into a sign and hang it around your scrawny little neck. 

Trump said he is slowing the USPS to stop mail-in voting.  I’m taking him at his word especially since you guys say he never lies. 

The changes are being made to allow citizens to safely vote after this moron bumbled the response to a pandemic killing over a 170k people. The same pandemic that is still here and will be worse by Election Day since he has politicized public health. 

I would hate for anyone to think I was associated with the Trump Administration and his conservative bootlickers, which includes you.

[Hoot Gibson]

Wrong As usual. 

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?  

---

"They need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo. “If they don’t get those two items, that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting because they’re not equipped to have it.”


“If we don’t make a deal that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it. Sort of a crazy thing,” Trump said on Thursday.


Trump is playing hardball with voting rights. American presidents do this ?

Another lie. Nobody has the right to have a ballot mailed to them. Most, if not all states, already allow voters to request an absentee ballot. In Virginia, more than 500,000 ballots have already been mailed "by mistake." This is just another attempt to undermine the voting process so that they can have a flimsy, fabricated excuse if they lose the election this fall. 

Trump should not even be suggesting that funding for another liberal attempt to steal an election is up for negotiation. Any increased funding for the USPS should come after the election, if at all.

States decide their election standards. It would be total irony if the buffoon cost himself the election because states work independently after he left them in the lurch during a national crisis.

On one hand I agree.  Citizens should request a before receiving a ballot. But there are states that mail in for every vote and have an extremely low rate of voter fraud that send out the ballots. Those states have leaders of both parties that support the system. 

Jamming up the postal service suppresses all voters, which IMO worse than the very low percentage of voter fraud. 

Not to mention business and personal mail that is being displaced.  

Totally unAmerican.

Trump is not the one who is making changes to the voting procedures that threaten to slow mail delivery to a crawl and bankrupt the USPS. Liberal Democrats are making those changes to deliberately create chaos during the vote counting process and create more opportunities for voter fraud. You should make your catch phrase "Totally unAmerican" into a sign and hang it around your scrawny little neck. 

Trump said he is slowing the USPS to stop mail-in voting.  I’m taking him at his word especially since you guys say he never lies. 

The changes are being made to allow citizens to safely vote after this moron bumbled the response to a pandemic killing over a 170k people. The same pandemic that is still here and will be worse by Election Day since he has politicized public health. 

I would hate for anyone to think I was associated with the Trump Administration and his conservative bootlickers, which includes you.

Liar. Point to the post where I have claimed that Trump never lies. Point to a post where I ever claimed that Trump is a conservative. There are no such posts. You just make stuff up as you go because you are too lazy to read or research before you stick your foot in your mouth. Your foot seems more comfortable there than it does on the ground.

I would be more than happy to exchange honest insults with you but it is impossible to compare you with anybody else without unfairly insulting them.

[Cardfan1]

Another lie. Nobody has the right to have a ballot mailed to them. Most, if not all states, already allow voters to request an absentee ballot. In Virginia, more than 500,000 ballots have already been mailed "by mistake." This is just another attempt to undermine the voting process so that they can have a flimsy, fabricated excuse if they lose the election this fall. 

Trump should not even be suggesting that funding for another liberal attempt to steal an election is up for negotiation. Any increased funding for the USPS should come after the election, if at all.

States decide their election standards. It would be total irony if the buffoon cost himself the election because states work independently after he left them in the lurch during a national crisis.

On one hand I agree.  Citizens should request a before receiving a ballot. But there are states that mail in for every vote and have an extremely low rate of voter fraud that send out the ballots. Those states have leaders of both parties that support the system. 

Jamming up the postal service suppresses all voters, which IMO worse than the very low percentage of voter fraud. 

Not to mention business and personal mail that is being displaced.  

Totally unAmerican.

Trump is not the one who is making changes to the voting procedures that threaten to slow mail delivery to a crawl and bankrupt the USPS. Liberal Democrats are making those changes to deliberately create chaos during the vote counting process and create more opportunities for voter fraud. You should make your catch phrase "Totally unAmerican" into a sign and hang it around your scrawny little neck. 

Trump said he is slowing the USPS to stop mail-in voting.  I’m taking him at his word especially since you guys say he never lies. 

The changes are being made to allow citizens to safely vote after this moron bumbled the response to a pandemic killing over a 170k people. The same pandemic that is still here and will be worse by Election Day since he has politicized public health. 

I would hate for anyone to think I was associated with the Trump Administration and his conservative bootlickers, which includes you.

Liar. Point to the post where I have claimed that Trump never lies. Point to a post where I ever claimed that Trump is a conservative. There are no such posts. You just make stuff up as you go because you are too lazy to read or research before you stick your foot in your mouth. Your foot seems more comfortable there than it does on the ground.

I would be more than happy to exchange honest insults with you but it is impossible to compare you with anybody else without unfairly insulting them.

So Trump lies? 
And he isn’t a conservative. 



Funny ... you jumping off the bandwagon now? Gonna be hard to get away from the Trump albatross for you right wingers.  

You’d rather insult than stay on topic. That signifies a weak stance.

[Hoot Gibson]

States decide their election standards. It would be total irony if the buffoon cost himself the election because states work independently after he left them in the lurch during a national crisis.

On one hand I agree.  Citizens should request a before receiving a ballot. But there are states that mail in for every vote and have an extremely low rate of voter fraud that send out the ballots. Those states have leaders of both parties that support the system. 

Jamming up the postal service suppresses all voters, which IMO worse than the very low percentage of voter fraud. 

Not to mention business and personal mail that is being displaced.  

Totally unAmerican.

Trump is not the one who is making changes to the voting procedures that threaten to slow mail delivery to a crawl and bankrupt the USPS. Liberal Democrats are making those changes to deliberately create chaos during the vote counting process and create more opportunities for voter fraud. You should make your catch phrase "Totally unAmerican" into a sign and hang it around your scrawny little neck. 

Trump said he is slowing the USPS to stop mail-in voting.  I’m taking him at his word especially since you guys say he never lies. 

The changes are being made to allow citizens to safely vote after this moron bumbled the response to a pandemic killing over a 170k people. The same pandemic that is still here and will be worse by Election Day since he has politicized public health. 

I would hate for anyone to think I was associated with the Trump Administration and his conservative bootlickers, which includes you.

Liar. Point to the post where I have claimed that Trump never lies. Point to a post where I ever claimed that Trump is a conservative. There are no such posts. You just make stuff up as you go because you are too lazy to read or research before you stick your foot in your mouth. Your foot seems more comfortable there than it does on the ground.

I would be more than happy to exchange honest insults with you but it is impossible to compare you with anybody else without unfairly insulting them.

So Trump lies? 
And he isn’t a conservative. 



Funny ... you jumping off the bandwagon now? Gonna be hard to get away from the Trump albatross for you right wingers.  

You’d rather insult than sta y on topic. That signifies a weak stance.

I have challenged you to put up or shut up,. weasel. You insulted me with your lies and you know that you can't back them up. Weakness is insulting people with lies and then doubling down on your lies behind the anonymity of the internet. Back up your lies or shut up, coward.

[mr.fundamental]

It is so nice to see you all getting along. Cardfan1 at least thought the Ky plan was a good one. I also want to point out that President Trump had a commission after the '16 to prove voter fraud and nothing came of that commission.

I also want to point out I think the plan is reasonable for Ky. The S.O.S. has taken a lot of heat from this plan which is interesting to read from him.

Anyway, I am hoping his legislation suggestion of increasing voting hours gets some attention next year. Six in the morning to six at night. I am in favor of it open to 8 at night.

As far as the national level, I do think it is interesting that the Post Master General has said that he will not do any of his recommendations until after the election, however, he did not say that he would put back the mail sorting machines or the mail boxes.

How does everyone feel about him having such close ties to the UPS. Hoot you might be able to give some insight here as to how much his ties are, then again maybe not.

Please continue!

[Hoot Gibson]

I don't really care about the USPS. I have not mailed anything in years. I either communicate and pay bills electronically or I send documents via Fed Ex. I am opposed to any increased funding of the USPS prior to the election. If Democrats want to inundate our post offices with unsolicited ballots in the days around the election, then the chaos that ensues will be on them. I will be disappointed if Trump compromises on this issue but I expect that he will.

I really do not see why Trump's friendship with anybody at the USPS is relevant to this debate. Maybe it would be relevant if Trump were proposing a huge funding increase for the organization but as far as I know, he has not requested any funding increase.

[TheRealThing]

Trump is not the one who is making changes to the voting procedures that threaten to slow mail delivery to a crawl and bankrupt the USPS. Liberal Democrats are making those changes to deliberately create chaos during the vote counting process and create more opportunities for voter fraud. You should make your catch phrase "Totally unAmerican" into a sign and hang it around your scrawny little neck. 

Trump said he is slowing the USPS to stop mail-in voting.  I’m taking him at his word especially since you guys say he never lies. 

The changes are being made to allow citizens to safely vote after this moron bumbled the response to a pandemic killing over a 170k people. The same pandemic that is still here and will be worse by Election Day since he has politicized public health. 

I would hate for anyone to think I was associated with the Trump Administration and his conservative bootlickers, which includes you.

Liar. Point to the post where I have claimed that Trump never lies. Point to a post where I ever claimed that Trump is a conservative. There are no such posts. You just make stuff up as you go because you are too lazy to read or research before you stick your foot in your mouth. Your foot seems more comfortable there than it does on the ground.

I would be more than happy to exchange honest insults with you but it is impossible to compare you with anybody else without unfairly insulting them.

So Trump lies? 
And he isn’t a conservative. 



Funny ... you jumping off the bandwagon now? Gonna be hard to get away from the Trump albatross for you right wingers.  

You’d rather insult than sta y on topic. That signifies a weak stance.

I have challenged you to put up or shut up,. weasel. You insulted me with your lies and you know that you can't back them up. Weakness is insulting people with lies and then doubling down on your lies behind the anonymity of the internet. Back up your lies or shut up, coward.

I'm the one who has said that Trump doesn't lie and I know the difference. I've heard Bill Clinton lie, I've heard Hillary lie, and I've certainly read the lies that Cardfan has posted over and over again. Jim Clyburn, Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler, Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Leon Panetta, Loretta Lynch, James Comey, John Brennan, James Clapper, Al Green, Eric Holder all have a penchant for lying, I could go on but what's the point? But the Grandaddy of them all would have to be Barack.

Any liberty MR Trump has taken with the truth in comparison to the least of those mentioned above, would be trivial by any definition.

[Cardfan1]

[/quote]
I have challenged you to put up or shut up,. weasel. You insulted me with your lies and you know that you can't back them up. Weakness is insulting people with lies and then doubling down on your lies behind the anonymity of the internet. Back up your lies or shut up, coward.
[/quote]

Put up, or shut up about what? That you've never said Trump lies. Ok, You didn't say it. You knowingly support a liar to the American people. Feel better?

I like weasels. They can subdue the poisonous snakes of the world.

More name calling. Weak sauce.

I don't really care about the USPS. I have not mailed anything in years. I either communicate and pay bills electronically or I send documents via Fed Ex. I am opposed to any increased funding of the USPS prior to the election. If Democrats want to inundate our post offices with unsolicited ballots in the days around the election, then the chaos that ensues will be on them. I will be disappointed if Trump compromises on this issue but I expect that he will.

I really do not see why Trump's friendship with anybody at the USPS is relevant to this debate. Maybe it would be relevant if Trump were proposing a huge funding increase for the organization but as far as I know, he has not requested any funding increase.

USPS is a government service that millions of Americans depend on, especially in rural America, for business and personal reasons. Nothing else in the federal govt is expected to make money and support itself, so why do we expect the Postal Service to, oh right, the USPS has a labor pension problems and pensions cause conservatives to lose sleep at night. That money is going to Americans instead of their special interest coffers. It all makes sense.

Mail in voter fraud in Washington state's 2018 election was under .004% (around 150 ballots), and ballots were mailed to citizens. 97% of the vote was by mail. The SOS in Washington is a Republican.

Another conservative dog whistle counting on Americans to swallow the lie hook, line, and sinker.

[TheRealThing]

^^ There is no conservative dog whistle in Hoot's argument. There is however a mountain of deceit in your own.

You know as does everybody with one ounce of sense that the potential for voter fraud in an all mail-in/mostly mail-in election is stratospheric. Further, the likelihood that sensible voters are buying into the leftist narrative, (leftist in the sense that it is being delivered by leftists and in the sense that it is politically leftist in scope) is less than slim.

But you feel the end justifies the means and therefore are more than willing to do what it takes to do your part to steal the coming election. It will not work, but the more time and dishonest effort you invest to that end, the more satisfying the outcome will be.

[Van Hagar]

As someone who DOES care very deeply about the postal service, (it has put food on my table for nearly 30 years now), I can tell you from the front lines what we know----this is a blatant attempt by Trump to undermine the election. He KNOWS mail-in balloting is going to be used, he KNOWS there is NO factual evidence to show that it will result in any type of fraudulent election, he KNOWS his ignorant, lying ass is already beat, and he KNOWS he has to have some fall-back plan to contest the election results. So he had his little minion DeJoy appointed as postmaster general with the direct intent of sabotaging the postal service to make it appear we could not handle mail-in voting. We absolutely can handle it as long as our infrastructure isn't gutted. But guess what, Dejoy was in the process of gutting our infrastructure until the public outcry got a little too loud. HMMM.

[Hoot Gibson]

I have challenged you to put up or shut up,. weasel. You insulted me with your lies and you know that you can't back them up. Weakness is insulting people with lies and then doubling down on your lies behind the anonymity of the internet. Back up your lies or shut up, coward.
[/quote]

Put up, or shut up about what?  That you've never said Trump lies.  Ok, You didn't say it.  You knowingly support a liar to the American people.  Feel better?

I like weasels.  They can subdue the poisonous snakes of the world. 

More name calling. Weak sauce.   

I don't really care about the USPS. I have not mailed anything in years. I either communicate and pay bills electronically or I send documents via Fed Ex. I am opposed to any increased funding of the USPS prior to the election. If Democrats want to inundate our post offices with unsolicited ballots in the days around the election, then the chaos that ensues will be on them. I will be disappointed if Trump compromises on this issue but I expect that he will.

I really do not see why Trump's friendship with anybody at the USPS is relevant to this debate. Maybe it would be relevant if Trump were proposing a huge funding increase for the organization but as far as I know, he has not requested any funding increase.

USPS is a government service that millions of Americans depend on, especially in rural America, for business and personal reasons.  Nothing else in the federal govt is expected to make money and support itself, so why do we expect the Postal Service to, oh right, the USPS has a labor pension problems and pensions cause conservatives to lose sleep at night.  That money is going to Americans instead of their special interest coffers.  It all makes sense. 

Mail in voter fraud in Washington state's 2018 election was under .004% (around 150 ballots), and ballots were mailed to citizens.  97% of the vote was by mail.  The SOS in Washington is a Republican.

Another conservative dog whistle counting on Americans to swallow the lie hook, line, and sinker.
[/quote]
Thank you for acknowledging and retracting one of your many lies. It's a good start. However, I will repeat, in case you forgot, I have never referred to Trump as a conservative, nor have I ever even implied that to be the case. 

I reluctantly voted for Trump in 2016 and I will vote for him this year as well. I don't understand how anybody could vote for a candidate suffering from dementia with a clear conscience. But I have never believed Trump to be a conservative. He is by far the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning but I have and will continue to consider him a fiscal liberal.

[mr.fundamental]

Just want to point out that the post office has to fund every employees pension 30 years in advance... I have never heard anything like that in the private sector. This was passed by the GOP. Now I have a speculation of why they did that, but it is only speculation.

[Cardfan1]

^^ There is no conservative  dog whistle in Hoot's argument.  There is however a mountain of deceit in your own.

You know as does everybody with one ounce of sense that the potential for voter fraud in an all mail-in/mostly mail-in election is stratospheric. Further, the likelihood that sensible voters are buying into the leftist narrative, (leftist in the sense that it is being delivered by leftists and in the sense that it is politically leftist in scope) is less than slim.

But you feel the end justifies the means and therefore are more than willing to do what it takes to do your part to steal the coming election. It will not work, but the more time and dishonest effort you invest to that end, the more satisfying the outcome will be.

Never said he had one.  Mail-in voter fraud is a conservative dog whistle. 

There is speculation and there is actuality.  There are 5 states that use nearly entirely mail in. I gave an example in my post.  Don’t believe it.  Look it up.  

Stealing the election is slowing mail so voters can’t vote, allowing a pandemic to rage so voters are too scared, and enlisting foreign agencies to help spread disinformation.  Left isn’t doing any of that. I’ll give you three guesses. You’ll get it wrong though.

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I have challenged you to put up or shut up,. weasel. You insulted me with your lies and you know that you can't back them up. Weakness is insulting people with lies and then doubling down on your lies behind the anonymity of the internet. Back up your lies or shut up, coward.

Put up, or shut up about what?  That you've never said Trump lies.  Ok, You didn't say it.  You knowingly support a liar to the American people.  Feel better?

I like weasels.  They can subdue the poisonous snakes of the world. 

More name calling. Weak sauce.   

I don't really care about the USPS. I have not mailed anything in years. I either communicate and pay bills electronically or I send documents via Fed Ex. I am opposed to any increased funding of the USPS prior to the election. If Democrats want to inundate our post offices with unsolicited ballots in the days around the election, then the chaos that ensues will be on them. I will be disappointed if Trump compromises on this issue but I expect that he will.

I really do not see why Trump's friendship with anybody at the USPS is relevant to this debate. Maybe it would be relevant if Trump were proposing a huge funding increase for the organization but as far as I know, he has not requested any funding increase.

USPS is a government service that millions of Americans depend on, especially in rural America, for business and personal reasons.  Nothing else in the federal govt is expected to make money and support itself, so why do we expect the Postal Service to, oh right, the USPS has a labor pension problems and pensions cause conservatives to lose sleep at night.  That money is going to Americans instead of their special interest coffers.  It all makes sense. 

Mail in voter fraud in Washington state's 2018 election was under .004% (around 150 ballots), and ballots were mailed to citizens.  97% of the vote was by mail.  The SOS in Washington is a Republican.

Another conservative dog whistle counting on Americans to swallow the lie hook, line, and sinker.
[/quote]
Thank you for acknowledging and retracting one of your many lies. It's a good start. However, I will repeat, in case you forgot, I have never referred to Trump as a conservative, nor have I ever even implied that to be the case. 

I reluctantly voted for Trump in 2016 and I will vote for him this year as well. I don't understand how anybody could vote for a candidate suffering from dementia with a clear conscience. But I have never believed Trump to be a conservative. He is by far the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning but I have and will continue to consider him a fiscal liberal.
[/quote]

I’m glad you feel better, but you voted for him and plan to again, so you condone it all. 

Biden doesn’t have dementia,  but cool let’s say he does.
 
You’re picking Trump who would also have dementia and is a sociopathic narcissistic liar that is in search of anything, or anyone, to grease his ego.  

The guy not knowing where he is causes much less damage. 
See 2020.

[Hoot Gibson]

^^ There is no conservative  dog whistle in Hoot's argument.  There is however a mountain of deceit in your own.

You know as does everybody with one ounce of sense that the potential for voter fraud in an all mail-in/mostly mail-in election is stratospheric. Further, the likelihood that sensible voters are buying into the leftist narrative, (leftist in the sense that it is being delivered by leftists and in the sense that it is politically leftist in scope) is less than slim.

But you feel the end justifies the means and therefore are more than willing to do what it takes to do your part to steal the coming election. It will not work, but the more time and dishonest effort you invest to that end, the more satisfying the outcome will be.

Never said he had one.  Mail-in voter fraud is a conservative dog whistle. 

There is speculation and there is actuality.  There are 5 states that use nearly entirely mail in. I gave an example in my post.  Don’t believe it.  Look it up.  

Stealing the election is slowing mail so voters can’t vote, allowing a pandemic to rage so voters are too scared, and enlisting foreign agencies to help spread disinformation.  Left isn’t doing any of that. I’ll give you three guesses. You’ll get it wrong though.

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I have challenged you to put up or shut up,. weasel. You insulted me with your lies and you know that you can't back them up. Weakness is insulting people with lies and then doubling down on your lies behind the anonymity of the internet. Back up your lies or shut up, coward.

Put up, or shut up about what?  That you've never said Trump lies.  Ok, You didn't say it.  You knowingly support a liar to the American people.  Feel better?

I like weasels.  They can subdue the poisonous snakes of the world. 

More name calling. Weak sauce.   

I don't really care about the USPS. I have not mailed anything in years. I either communicate and pay bills electronically or I send documents via Fed Ex. I am opposed to any increased funding of the USPS prior to the election. If Democrats want to inundate our post offices with unsolicited ballots in the days around the election, then the chaos that ensues will be on them. I will be disappointed if Trump compromises on this issue but I expect that he will.

I really do not see why Trump's friendship with anybody at the USPS is relevant to this debate. Maybe it would be relevant if Trump were proposing a huge funding increase for the organization but as far as I know, he has not requested any funding increase.

USPS is a government service that millions of Americans depend on, especially in rural America, for business and personal reasons.  Nothing else in the federal govt is expected to make money and support itself, so why do we expect the Postal Service to, oh right, the USPS has a labor pension problems and pensions cause conservatives to lose sleep at night.  That money is going to Americans instead of their special interest coffers.  It all makes sense. 

Mail in voter fraud in Washington state's 2018 election was under .004% (around 150 ballots), and ballots were mailed to citizens.  97% of the vote was by mail.  The SOS in Washington is a Republican.

Another conservative dog whistle counting on Americans to swallow the lie hook, line, and sinker.

Thank you for acknowledging and retracting one of your many lies. It's a good start. However, I will repeat, in case you forgot, I have never referred to Trump as a conservative, nor have I ever even implied that to be the case. 

I reluctantly voted for Trump in 2016 and I will vote for him this year as well. I don't understand how anybody could vote for a candidate suffering from dementia with a clear conscience. But I have never believed Trump to be a conservative. He is by far the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning but I have and will continue to consider him a fiscal liberal.

I’m glad you feel better, but you voted for him and plan to again, so you condone it all. 

Biden doesn’t have dementia,  but cool let’s say he does.
 
You’re picking Trump who would also have dementia and is a sociopathic narcissistic liar that is in search of anything, or anyone, to grease his ego.  

The guy not knowing where he is causes much less damage. 
See 2020.

Trump has shown no signs of dementia and nobody has had to lead him off of a stage. Anybody who has had a relative who suffered from dementia will surely recognize Biden's symptoms. If not now, then his symptoms will become too obvious to ignore before the end of what would be his first term, if he wins the election.

A guy not knowing where he is who has the authority to launch nukes does not do less damage than one still capable of rational thought. That is among the most silly statements that you have made and your collection of silly statements is a sizable one. If they were baseball cards you would be a wealthy man.

[Hoot Gibson]

I would fully support privatization of the USPS. I would end its monopoly on the use of mailboxes and I would end all federal subsidies for the organization. In addition, I would support changes in laws that require many legal documents to be sent via the mail. If the USPS can compete on an equal footing with Fed Ex and UPS, then that would be great. If not, then I am sure that Fed Ex, UPS, and other private companies would expand to fill the vacuum that a defunct USPS would create.

[Van Hagar]

^^ There is no conservative  dog whistle in Hoot's argument.  There is however a mountain of deceit in your own.

You know as does everybody with one ounce of sense that the potential for voter fraud in an all mail-in/mostly mail-in election is stratospheric. Further, the likelihood that sensible voters are buying into the leftist narrative, (leftist in the sense that it is being delivered by leftists and in the sense that it is politically leftist in scope) is less than slim.

But you feel the end justifies the means and therefore are more than willing to do what it takes to do your part to steal the coming election. It will not work, but the more time and dishonest effort you invest to that end, the more satisfying the outcome will be.

Never said he had one.  Mail-in voter fraud is a conservative dog whistle. 

There is speculation and there is actuality.  There are 5 states that use nearly entirely mail in. I gave an example in my post.  Don’t believe it.  Look it up.  

Stealing the election is slowing mail so voters can’t vote, allowing a pandemic to rage so voters are too scared, and enlisting foreign agencies to help spread disinformation.  Left isn’t doing any of that. I’ll give you three guesses. You’ll get it wrong though.

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I have challenged you to put up or shut up,. weasel. You insulted me with your lies and you know that you can't back them up. Weakness is insulting people with lies and then doubling down on your lies behind the anonymity of the internet. Back up your lies or shut up, coward.

Put up, or shut up about what?  That you've never said Trump lies.  Ok, You didn't say it.  You knowingly support a liar to the American people.  Feel better?

I like weasels.  They can subdue the poisonous snakes of the world. 

More name calling. Weak sauce.   

I don't really care about the USPS. I have not mailed anything in years. I either communicate and pay bills electronically or I send documents via Fed Ex. I am opposed to any increased funding of the USPS prior to the election. If Democrats want to inundate our post offices with unsolicited ballots in the days around the election, then the chaos that ensues will be on them. I will be disappointed if Trump compromises on this issue but I expect that he will.

I really do not see why Trump's friendship with anybody at the USPS is relevant to this debate. Maybe it would be relevant if Trump were proposing a huge funding increase for the organization but as far as I know, he has not requested any funding increase.

USPS is a government service that millions of Americans depend on, especially in rural America, for business and personal reasons.  Nothing else in the federal govt is expected to make money and support itself, so why do we expect the Postal Service to, oh right, the USPS has a labor pension problems and pensions cause conservatives to lose sleep at night.  That money is going to Americans instead of their special interest coffers.  It all makes sense. 

Mail in voter fraud in Washington state's 2018 election was under .004% (around 150 ballots), and ballots were mailed to citizens.  97% of the vote was by mail.  The SOS in Washington is a Republican.

Another conservative dog whistle counting on Americans to swallow the lie hook, line, and sinker.

Thank you for acknowledging and retracting one of your many lies. It's a good start. However, I will repeat, in case you forgot, I have never referred to Trump as a conservative, nor have I ever even implied that to be the case. 

I reluctantly voted for Trump in 2016 and I will vote for him this year as well. I don't understand how anybody could vote for a candidate suffering from dementia with a clear conscience. But I have never believed Trump to be a conservative. He is by far the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning but I have and will continue to consider him a fiscal liberal.

I’m glad you feel better, but you voted for him and plan to again, so you condone it all. 

Biden doesn’t have dementia,  but cool let’s say he does.
 
You’re picking Trump who would also have dementia and is a sociopathic narcissistic liar that is in search of anything, or anyone, to grease his ego.  

The guy not knowing where he is causes much less damage. 
See 2020.

Trump has shown no signs of dementia and nobody has had to lead him off of a stage. Anybody who has had a relative who suffered from dementia will surely recognize Biden's symptoms. If not now, then his symptoms will become too obvious to ignore before the end of what would be his first term, if he wins the election.

A guy not knowing where he is who has the authority to launch nukes does not do less damage than one still capable of rational thought. That is among the most silly statements that you have made and your collection of silly statements is a sizable one. If they were baseball cards you would be a wealthy man.


  Anyone who saw Biden’s acceptance speech last night and still wants to play the dementia card needs to check on their own mental well-being. Even the great minds at Fox News all gave it great reviews. 

[TheRealThing]

I saw the acceptance speech last night. Biden did prove he can read a teleprompter with some degree of effectiveness. Some observations having conceded that---

Biden never once set foot in Wisconsin, which of course was the site of this year's Democrat Convention. I watched his eyes throughout the speech, and I can tell you that he was fixated on only one teleprompter. Usually there are as many as 4, so that the speaker can adjust his gaze from left right forward and left to right broadly, as any good speaker will do.

Now, I've watched Biden since the days of his assault on Judge Bork, and I can tell you that that mannerism is not vintage Biden. He's normally much more personal and makes eye contact. I have no doubt that Biden's speech writer handlers drilled him, perhaps for the several days prior to his 'appearance' to get him ready. In fact, since Biden's speech was prerecorded and delivered virtually, I have no doubt that he actually made his acceptance speech any number of times, (all of which being on video tape of course) with the best among those having been sent along to the DNC. As in any tapped TV appearance, this tactic would have allowed his handlers the time to do as many 'takes' as was necessary in order to get a view worthy performance put together.

As to FOX News and their alleged conservative stance on news delivery. FOX is not predominately conservative, a fact I have attempted on more than one occasion to convey. As to the Fox anchor's reviews of the speech--- always basing his opinion and citing the political dynamics of a bygone era, Brit Hume for example, has an affection for the establishment and globalism. Chris Wallace like his father before him and on whose coat tails he rides, is a Democrat. Brett Baier says he's an independent, but I know a Dem when I hear one. Juan Williams would have loved anything Biden said and Dana Perino says whatever is politically correct. You take Fox and Friends and the late evening shows off of FOX News and it would pass for a liberal network, and Fox Business is certainly not far behind. Therefore given any reasonable Biden performance, I knew the anchors assigned would praise same. No surprise at all in that.

I know Democrats want to stand up for their Party. But for Biden supporters to reduce the valid concerns of those who've watched the public and impromptu performances of Joe Biden for the past couple of years to 'playing the dementia card' doesn't even make sense. He does manifest broken and detached speech patterns. And the old go-to's of the past Joe once just dialed up and put out there without really having to think about it, are no longer accessible in the moment. That's why he becomes rattled so easily and is forced to make so many inartful bailouts when speaking. He simply has to stay tethered to the teleprompter to stay believable. That means no reporter questioning and no un-handled moments. I just don't see the tactic working for a majority of the electorate.

[plantmanky]

If your so worried about your mail in ballot, go drop it off at your board of elections office yourself. How hard is that, its on your way to walmart and to get your cigs and whiskey.

[TheRealThing]

If your so worried about your mail in ballot, go drop it off at your board of elections office yourself.  How hard is that, its on your way to walmart and to get your cigs and whiskey.

LOL.

I could go drop my ballot off, but how would that mitigate the flood of illegal ballots likely to be coming in? Matt Bevin said voter fraud was indicated in the last election, an election Beshear won by a very thin margin. And it took only a few months for the new governor to mismanage this state into imminent financial crisis, if what he said is to be believed. Not to mention that Louisville has been dubbed the next epicenter of lawless protesting.

Voting machines don't lie, that's why Russia couldn't really manipulate the vote count November 2016. People however do lie. Nonetheless people are to be trusted all of a sudden with the validation of ballots, the interpreting of ballots, and the tabulations of ballots. Ballots that could originate from anywhere on the globe. They could easily be copied in mass quantities and filled out in sweat shops for that matter. When you get a notice in the mail telling you "this is your last chance to extend your car warranty" do you know who sent it? But even in the best circumstances Dem vote counters for example, could easily be overly critical of Republican cast ballots and vice-versa.

At most of the poles where poll workers ID and monitor voting, it's not so easy to vote illegally. But anybody including Russians and the Chinese and North Koreans and those of the Arab World, can mail in any number of ballots. Yes I am that concerned about my ballot, but I am more concerned about all the ballots coming in from parts unknown from people unknown. With so much on the line, that's why so many people are concerned about this election.

But as usual the Dems have figured out a way to make the argument revolve around a fake issue. This is not about the efficiency of the Post Office. This is about the total elimination of voter ID through the elimination of the polling place. Now you tell me which party is it who ALWAYS argues for relaxing election law?

[Hoot Gibson]

^^ There is no conservative  dog whistle in Hoot's argument.  There is however a mountain of deceit in your own.

You know as does everybody with one ounce of sense that the potential for voter fraud in an all mail-in/mostly mail-in election is stratospheric. Further, the likelihood that sensible voters are buying into the leftist narrative, (leftist in the sense that it is being delivered by leftists and in the sense that it is politically leftist in scope) is less than slim.

But you feel the end justifies the means and therefore are more than willing to do what it takes to do your part to steal the coming election. It will not work, but the more time and dishonest effort you invest to that end, the more satisfying the outcome will be.

Never said he had one.  Mail-in voter fraud is a conservative dog whistle. 

There is speculation and there is actuality.  There are 5 states that use nearly entirely mail in. I gave an example in my post.  Don’t believe it.  Look it up.  

Stealing the election is slowing mail so voters can’t vote, allowing a pandemic to rage so voters are too scared, and enlisting foreign agencies to help spread disinformation.  Left isn’t doing any of that. I’ll give you three guesses. You’ll get it wrong though.

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I have challenged you to put up or shut up,. weasel. You insulted me with your lies and you know that you can't back them up. Weakness is insulting people with lies and then doubling down on your lies behind the anonymity of the internet. Back up your lies or shut up, coward.

Put up, or shut up about what?  That you've never said Trump lies.  Ok, You didn't say it.  You knowingly support a liar to the American people.  Feel better?

I like weasels.  They can subdue the poisonous snakes of the world. 

More name calling. Weak sauce.   

I don't really care about the USPS. I have not mailed anything in years. I either communicate and pay bills electronically or I send documents via Fed Ex. I am opposed to any increased funding of the USPS prior to the election. If Democrats want to inundate our post offices with unsolicited ballots in the days around the election, then the chaos that ensues will be on them. I will be disappointed if Trump compromises on this issue but I expect that he will.

I really do not see why Trump's friendship with anybody at the USPS is relevant to this debate. Maybe it would be relevant if Trump were proposing a huge funding increase for the organization but as far as I know, he has not requested any funding increase.

USPS is a government service that millions of Americans depend on, especially in rural America, for business and personal reasons.  Nothing else in the federal govt is expected to make money and support itself, so why do we expect the Postal Service to, oh right, the USPS has a labor pension problems and pensions cause conservatives to lose sleep at night.  That money is going to Americans instead of their special interest coffers.  It all makes sense. 

Mail in voter fraud in Washington state's 2018 election was under .004% (around 150 ballots), and ballots were mailed to citizens.  97% of the vote was by mail.  The SOS in Washington is a Republican.

Another conservative dog whistle counting on Americans to swallow the lie hook, line, and sinker.

Thank you for acknowledging and retracting one of your many lies. It's a good start. However, I will repeat, in case you forgot, I have never referred to Trump as a conservative, nor have I ever even implied that to be the case. 

I reluctantly voted for Trump in 2016 and I will vote for him this year as well. I don't understand how anybody could vote for a candidate suffering from dementia with a clear conscience. But I have never believed Trump to be a conservative. He is by far the most conservative candidate who has a chance of winning but I have and will continue to consider him a fiscal liberal.

I’m glad you feel better, but you voted for him and plan to again, so you condone it all. 

Biden doesn’t have dementia,  but cool let’s say he does.
 
You’re picking Trump who would also have dementia and is a sociopathic narcissistic liar that is in search of anything, or anyone, to grease his ego.  

The guy not knowing where he is causes much less damage. 
See 2020.

Trump has shown no signs of dementia and nobody has had to lead him off of a stage. Anybody who has had a relative who suffered from dementia will surely recognize Biden's symptoms. If not now, then his symptoms will become too obvious to ignore before the end of what would be his first term, if he wins the election.

A guy not knowing where he is who has the authority to launch nukes does not do less damage than one still capable of rational thought. That is among the most silly statements that you have made and your collection of silly statements is a sizable one. If they were baseball cards you would be a wealthy man.


  Anyone who saw Biden’s acceptance speech last night and still wants to play the dementia card needs to check on their own mental well-being. Even the great minds at Fox News all gave it great reviews. 

Joe Biden was a dimwit when his IQ was at its all time high, well before dementia started his brain on a downward spiral. The only coursework in which Biden excelled in college was P.E., an area in which he earned "A"s. 

Even with Biden's high marks in P.E. and despite a boost from plagiarism, he still managed an undergraduate GPA of only 1.9. Anybody who is impressed with Joe Biden's cognitive abilities should not be questioning anybody else's mental well being.

[TheRealThing]

Did you catch his impromptu performance afterward with his wife? "How you doing? God love ya." He'd just been with her 20 minutes before, but is such superficiality what passes for intimacy in the Biden home? And I mean, the God love ya line was what he used after having asked the wheelchair bound reporter to" stand up," and be recognized.

In all of this what bothers me is the way the leftist media are suddenly all aglow with admiration with addition of Harris to the ticket. Why? Because the Dems just need to get a good president out, so they can get their replacement in. And make no mistake, they will be looking for any plausible ouster, (likely as soon as they think they've got something reasonable concocted) and at the very first opportunity, because waiting in the wings is Harris, a dream come true for leftist extremists. That and the Dems and media's obvious dismissal out-of-hand of the Biden shenanigans in Ukraine; the all mail-in vote, the patently obvious slander against everything Trump, as highlighted by Obama's own ignoble prosecutorial display at the DNC. The spirit of contempt against traditional America is best seen in the actions and the acceptance there of by the establishment left.