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06-20-2020, 11:01 AM
FootballFan1999 Wrote:You know whoâs idea it was to kneel? A soldiers. Kaepernick and Boyer spoke and came to an agreement the best way to respect the flag but bring awareness to the racial matters still dividing the country is by kneeling.
"We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammates," Boyer says. "Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security. Very receptive. He said, 'I think that would be-- I think-- I think that would be really powerful, Boyer recalls.â
Being upset about âdisrespectingâ the flag and not upset about the injustice minorities face in todayâs world is the problem. Itâs not about the flag, itâs about equality and everyone being treated the same in todayâs society.
BS is all I have to say to that.
06-20-2020, 02:15 PM
FootballFan1999 Wrote:You know whoâs idea it was to kneel? A soldiers. Kaepernick and Boyer spoke and came to an agreement the best way to respect the flag but bring awareness to the racial matters still dividing the country is by kneeling.
"We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammates," Boyer says. "Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security. Very receptive. He said, 'I think that would be-- I think-- I think that would be really powerful, Boyer recalls.â
Being upset about âdisrespectingâ the flag and not upset about the injustice minorities face in todayâs world is the problem. Itâs not about the flag, itâs about equality and everyone being treated the same in todayâs society.
Itâs totally about the love for the flag and for our country. If these attention seeking cry babies have it so bad in this country then why are they living here? Where were all the liberal crazies at when Tim Tebow took a knee to pray before the game? He was mocked and ridiculed by countless people. Where was the support for him?
06-20-2020, 03:18 PM
FootballFan1999 Wrote:Being upset about âdisrespectingâ the flag and not upset about the injustice minorities face in todayâs world is the problem. Itâs not about the flag, itâs about equality and everyone being treated the same in todayâs society.
No one.....certainly not me....has said anything about not being upset about social injustices or inequalities. However.....disrespect does not foster growth, it does not foster change...and it certainly doesnât foster RESPECT. It is an ineffective way of promoting rational two way conversations. This country, itâs leaders past and present have not, and will never be perfect. Change is needed. There is a tremendous amount of work to do. But.....Disrespecting the flag and the liberties it stands for is not the answer. Burning, rioting, looting , maiming and even killing people in the name of social justice is a CRIME. The message is LOST. Because thatâs what people begin to talk about and focus on
06-20-2020, 03:39 PM
Tomcat Pride Wrote:Itâs totally about the love for the flag and for our country. If these attention seeking cry babies have it so bad in this country then why are they living here? Where were all the liberal crazies at when Tim Tebow took a knee to pray before the game? He was mocked and ridiculed by countless people. Where was the support for him?
Well said. I didn't like the Gators, but I support him
06-20-2020, 04:32 PM
Oldtiger Wrote:You can bet your last penny when we do start sports, some kid will drop to a knee, as far as I'm concerned I'd rather them drop to a knee out of respect for something; than act like most of the spectators especially the young ones who haven't shown an ounce of reverence for the Anthem in their life.
You can be assured youth today are capable of doing anything at any time in order to get a picture in an effort to become Facebook famous. HA:biglmao:
I hate getting into this but have to. If that kid never took a knee, we would never be having this discussion so it worked, I'm a black man and would never take a knee during the anthem but I understand. I was born in the 50's if anyone should take a knee is my generation or older - couldn't drink, go to restroom, restaurants, moving theatres, etc, but I'm supposed to stand up and proudly salute that flag? I do because that's how I was raised, but if anyone should take a knee are people my age or older. There wasn't a black player in the SEC until 1968 I think, that's not that long ago. So everyone should stand up and salute? Someone said something about character, I think it says more about a persons character who tries to understand what's going on than just to look at it as being disrespectful, that flag doesn't mean the same to everyone. I was always hesitate to join this site, because its Eastern Kentucky based, and I bet there are schools represented on here that have only have 1 or 2 people of color on their teams if ANY, so most peoples views on this site are going to be different. I love football that's why I joined, but more and more people's true colors are coming out. I'm trying to get a discussion about Ohio can go full contact starting June 22, anyone else find that alarming, strange?
06-20-2020, 05:27 PM
06-20-2020, 06:06 PM
Big Daddy Bull Wrote:I hate getting into this but have to. If that kid never took a knee, we would never be having this discussion so it worked, I'm a black man and would never take a knee during the anthem but I understand. I was born in the 50's if anyone should take a knee is my generation or older - couldn't drink, go to restroom, restaurants, moving theatres, etc, but I'm supposed to stand up and proudly salute that flag? I do because that's how I was raised, but if anyone should take a knee are people my age or older. There wasn't a black player in the SEC until 1968 I think, that's not that long ago. So everyone should stand up and salute? Someone said something about character, I think it says more about a persons character who tries to understand what's going on than just to look at it as being disrespectful, that flag doesn't mean the same to everyone. I was always hesitate to join this site, because its Eastern Kentucky based, and I bet there are schools represented on here that have only have 1 or 2 people of color on their teams if ANY, so most peoples views on this site are going to be different. I love football that's why I joined, but more and more people's true colors are coming out. I'm trying to get a discussion about Ohio can go full contact starting June 22, anyone else find that alarming, strange?No, everybody should not salute but they should stand out of respect. More than 200,000 men, including many black men, died in the Civil War, the result of which included the end of slavery in this country.
Nobody that I know will dispute that racism has always been an issue in this country and for many, including Americans of all colors, racism will continue to always be an issue. However, the fact is that thousands of Americans, including a disproportionate number of black men, have died fighting for this country in every American war since the Civil War.
Millions have supported the fight for civil rights over the decades and many of those people have been white. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed without the support of white Republicans, as a large majority of Republicans in Congress voted for its passage and a large majority of Democrats voted against the bill.
When I stand for the national anthem, I am not saluting a perfect country, but I am showing my respect and appreciation for the sacrifices that our ancestors made over the years to make this country one that is a favorite destination of immigrants from all over the world.
I work on an Army base and occasionally attend retirement and promotion ceremonies. If I took a knee instead of standing at the times I was expected to stand, I would be escorted to the door by security guards and my employer would be asked to fill my position with somebody with more respect for the Army and their country. The expectation that professional athletes stand during the national anthem is not a double standard. I find it alarming that so many Americans are willing to excuse such disrespectful behavior.
I am looking forward to high school football and I sincerely hope that taking a knee does not spread to that level. Legally, I doubt that much can be done to prevent it from happening at the high school level because public schools are government entities and prohibiting players from making political statements before games would probably be struck down by courts as violations of the First Amendment.
I will try to restrict further expressions of my political opinions to the Politics forum. Hopefully, nobody else will claim that taking a knee during pregame ceremonies has nothing to do with the flag because nothing could be further from the truth.
06-20-2020, 06:25 PM
Hopefully we can get can back to normal soon
06-20-2020, 06:28 PM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:No, everybody should not salute but they should stand out of respect. More than 200,000 men, including many black men, died in the Civil War, the result of which included the end of slavery in this country.
Nobody that I know will dispute that racism has always been an issue in this country and for many, including Americans of all colors, racism will continue to always be an issue. However, the fact is that thousands of Americans, including a disproportionate number of black men, have died fighting for this country in every American war since the Civil War.
Millions have supported the fight for civil rights over the decades and many of those people have been white. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed without the support of white Republicans, as a large majority of Republicans Congress voted for its passage and a large majority of Democrats voted against the bill.
When I stand for the national anthem, I am not saluting a perfect country, but I am showing my respect and appreciation for the sacrifices that our ancestors made over the years to make this country one that is a favorite destination of immigrants from all over the world.
I work on an Army base and occasionally attend retirement and promotion ceremonies. If I took a knee instead of standing at the times I was expected to stand, I would be escorted to the door by security guards and my employer would be asked to fill my position with somebody with more respect for the Army and their country. The expectation that professional athletes stand during the national anthem is not a double standard. I find it alarming that so many Americans are willing to excuse such disrespectful behavior.
I am looking forward to high school football and I sincerely hope that taking a knee does not spread to that level. Legally, I doubt that much can be done to prevent it from happening at the high school level because public schools are government entities and prohibiting players from making political statements before games would probably be struck down by courts as violations of the First Amendment.
I will try to restrict further expressions of my political opinions to the Politics forum. Hopefully, nobody else will claim that taking a knee during pregame ceremonies has nothing to do with the flag because nothing could be further from the truth.
Hoot- I respect that post it makes since and it's not out of hate. I'm the type of person that anybody on this site could come to my house and eat or whatever, I just hate that some people just choose not to see the other side. I really think the kids today can change the world, I'm around a lot of kids and I just don't see a lot of racism between them, yes there are a few bad apples but for the most part they realize we are all the same. In my opinion, if you are 30 and over the majority are set in there ways and aren't going to change, they might fake it like a lot are, but true colors will eventually come out. Im around kids a lot and some tell me that they aren't prejudice at all, but there parents and grandparents are what can I do? I just say you know right from wrong, but thanks Hoot for explaining yourself, I get where you are coming from.
06-20-2020, 06:50 PM
Tomcat Pride Wrote:Itâs totally about the love for the flag and for our country. If these attention seeking cry babies have it so bad in this country then why are they living here? Where were all the liberal crazies at when Tim Tebow took a knee to pray before the game? He was mocked and ridiculed by countless people. Where was the support for him?
Itâs not about attention seeking cry babies. Itâs about people bringing light to social injustice and police brutality against minorities. Itâs also not a liberal conservative discussion.
06-20-2020, 06:52 PM
OutlawJoseyWales Wrote:No one.....certainly not me....has said anything about not being upset about social injustices or inequalities. However.....disrespect does not foster growth, it does not foster change...and it certainly doesnât foster RESPECT. It is an ineffective way of promoting rational two way conversations. This country, itâs leaders past and present have not, and will never be perfect. Change is needed. There is a tremendous amount of work to do. But.....Disrespecting the flag and the liberties it stands for is not the answer. Burning, rioting, looting , maiming and even killing people in the name of social justice is a CRIME. The message is LOST. Because thatâs what people begin to talk about and focus on
MLK said rioting is the voice of the unheard. And I would say the people protesting for change come across a lot different than those that show up to cause destruction. Thatâs come straight from the mouth of a trooper I know. Kneeling during the anthem has talks at an all time high. If kneeling isnât the answer then what is the answer?
Also, I appreciate the level headed conversation.
06-20-2020, 06:56 PM
Big Daddy Bull Wrote:Hoot- I respect that post it makes since and it's not out of hate. I'm the type of person that anybody on this site could come to my house and eat or whatever, I just hate that some people just choose not to see the other side. I really think the kids today can change the world, I'm around a lot of kids and I just don't see a lot of racism between them, yes there are a few bad apples but for the most part they realize we are all the same. In my opinion, if you are 30 and over the majority are set in there ways and aren't going to change, they might fake it like a lot are, but true colors will eventually come out. Im around kids a lot and some tell me that they aren't prejudice at all, but there parents and grandparents are what can I do? I just say you know right from wrong, but thanks Hoot for explaining yourself, I get where you are coming from.
4 years ago I felt the same way about kneeling for the anthem. Now that Iâve since moved and been around a more diverse community and more diverse kids who have shared their struggle I now understand see that side of things. I too, think that this is the generation to change things.
06-20-2020, 07:54 PM
pjdoug Wrote:BS is all I have to say to that.
If you donât believe it Iâll let you search it.
06-21-2020, 07:44 AM
Gulf war veteran X2, served with several, several black men who where and are the epitome of a patriot and theyâll be my brothers till I draw my last breath. Iâm also in law enforcement where I have also had the pleasure of serving with black men who where professional, moral, dignified men who Iâd do anything I could to help at anytime. Iâve heard and seen all of this social injustice issues long before Kapernick took a knee. A lot of people of color not just black people would be surprised at how many of us in law enforcement would stand and march with them for most everything theyâre complaining about, but whatâs been going on isnât the answer. Donât tell me itâs not about the flag, itâs easily the most recognizable symbol of what Iâve spent most of my lifetime defending and Iâve asked nothing in return, nothing but to stand and honor it every single time you see it and if you canât do that then I really donât care what you have to say. If itâs not about the flag quit making it about the flag and expectIng us to listen cause itâs literally just pissing everyone off.
06-21-2020, 05:35 PM
If KHSAA shuts down football this fall what are the chances AAU football or 7v7 play in the fall? I see kids every weekend playing baseball and softball but Football is left running in circles not touching each other.
06-21-2020, 08:23 PM
The president's rally yesterday should be good news for high school sports, since it was held indoors with masks not mandatory. What about high school sports could top that as far as fans attending?
06-22-2020, 01:14 AM
From a close friend who doesnât have an account on here but wanted to comment on the matter.
â The author of the âThe Star Spangled Bannerâ which is the current National Anthem was a slave owner. The poem in which he h evokes the history of a nation and its people. So I ask if as people of nation that has sought out change for equality among its citizens over the past 60-75 years, why is it not reasonable for one to think thatâs itâs also time to consider a National Anthem that reflects the Great Nation in which we strive to be rather than that of the Nation we have moved away from. Kneeling in protest of an âAnthemâ brings no disrespect to Our Flag or the service men that have fought and died for our country. On the contrary those Men and Women that sign up to protect and serve sign up to fight for the Nation that we want to leave to our Children. Yet, those who are unwilling to acknowledge that the Nation we want to leave to our future citizens is vastly different from the Nation that was founded 300 years ago. Why is that? Most commonly because 1 of 2 reasons. Change, people are afraid of change. They are afraid of being outside of their comfort zone and the way they were raised. Itâs much easier to continue with life the way it is. Or they know what is going on and the injustices that many people face, however they make the conscious decision that it does not affect their personal life and/or they donât care of the injustices that others face. Most commonly these people are referred to as racist. The first example is not innocent either. I fell in this category for a long time. I can honestly say I had no hatred in my heart for others, but I was ignorant and uneducated and therefore stayed out of any conversation I couldnât speak intelligently on. This shows in todayâs society when these social injustices are made into an argument about something else. People try to justify thoughts or actions. But, they did this; We canât do that; They do it to their own; etc. This isnât a religious or political affiliation issue. Thatâs the problem with so many people that canât see past their religion, political party, or respect of our nation. We choose what God(s) if want to worship or none at all, we choose who we vote for and to put our trust in, we choose to fight and support the growth of a better nation. We donât choose the color our our skin. And to be suppressed because of the color of our skin or our ethnic background is to the deepest core of immorality and goes against what this great nation stands for. And anyone that can justify or deny that it still happens can and should be classified as immoral, unpatriotic, treacherous, racist, and un-American. If youâre not part of the solution of making this nation the greatest in the world, youâre part of the problem and living in the past.â
â The author of the âThe Star Spangled Bannerâ which is the current National Anthem was a slave owner. The poem in which he h evokes the history of a nation and its people. So I ask if as people of nation that has sought out change for equality among its citizens over the past 60-75 years, why is it not reasonable for one to think thatâs itâs also time to consider a National Anthem that reflects the Great Nation in which we strive to be rather than that of the Nation we have moved away from. Kneeling in protest of an âAnthemâ brings no disrespect to Our Flag or the service men that have fought and died for our country. On the contrary those Men and Women that sign up to protect and serve sign up to fight for the Nation that we want to leave to our Children. Yet, those who are unwilling to acknowledge that the Nation we want to leave to our future citizens is vastly different from the Nation that was founded 300 years ago. Why is that? Most commonly because 1 of 2 reasons. Change, people are afraid of change. They are afraid of being outside of their comfort zone and the way they were raised. Itâs much easier to continue with life the way it is. Or they know what is going on and the injustices that many people face, however they make the conscious decision that it does not affect their personal life and/or they donât care of the injustices that others face. Most commonly these people are referred to as racist. The first example is not innocent either. I fell in this category for a long time. I can honestly say I had no hatred in my heart for others, but I was ignorant and uneducated and therefore stayed out of any conversation I couldnât speak intelligently on. This shows in todayâs society when these social injustices are made into an argument about something else. People try to justify thoughts or actions. But, they did this; We canât do that; They do it to their own; etc. This isnât a religious or political affiliation issue. Thatâs the problem with so many people that canât see past their religion, political party, or respect of our nation. We choose what God(s) if want to worship or none at all, we choose who we vote for and to put our trust in, we choose to fight and support the growth of a better nation. We donât choose the color our our skin. And to be suppressed because of the color of our skin or our ethnic background is to the deepest core of immorality and goes against what this great nation stands for. And anyone that can justify or deny that it still happens can and should be classified as immoral, unpatriotic, treacherous, racist, and un-American. If youâre not part of the solution of making this nation the greatest in the world, youâre part of the problem and living in the past.â
06-22-2020, 01:20 AM
TD Hounds Wrote:Gulf war veteran X2, served with several, several black men who where and are the epitome of a patriot and theyâll be my brothers till I draw my last breath. Iâm also in law enforcement where I have also had the pleasure of serving with black men who where professional, moral, dignified men who Iâd do anything I could to help at anytime. Iâve heard and seen all of this social injustice issues long before Kapernick took a knee. A lot of people of color not just black people would be surprised at how many of us in law enforcement would stand and march with them for most everything theyâre complaining about, but whatâs been going on isnât the answer. Donât tell me itâs not about the flag, itâs easily the most recognizable symbol of what Iâve spent most of my lifetime defending and Iâve asked nothing in return, nothing but to stand and honor it every single time you see it and if you canât do that then I really donât care what you have to say. If itâs not about the flag quit making it about the flag and expectIng us to listen cause itâs literally just pissing everyone off.
First off, thank you for your service.
Secondly, whether you listen or not is on your conscious. If youâre not a part of the solution and choose to be quiet on the issues at hand then youâre a part of the problem. And thatâs not directed at you but directed at everyone on the topic. Again Iâll ask because no one has answered it, whatâs the solution? Everyone against a peaceful protest of kneeling is also against a non peaceful protest such as rioting. So whatâs the solution? Right now talks about reform and change are at an all time high. Why curb that now? Too many are upset about kneeling but choose to stay silent about people such as Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd, and Breonna Taylor.
06-22-2020, 02:04 AM
FootballFan1999 Wrote:First off, thank you for your service.
Secondly, whether you listen or not is on your conscious. If youâre not a part of the solution and choose to be quiet on the issues at hand then youâre a part of the problem. And thatâs not directed at you but directed at everyone on the topic. Again Iâll ask because no one has answered it, whatâs the solution? Everyone against a peaceful protest of kneeling is also against a non peaceful protest such as rioting. So whatâs the solution? Right now talks about reform and change are at an all time high. Why curb that now? Too many are upset about kneeling but choose to stay silent about people such as Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd, and Breonna Taylor.
Thank You but itâs made me who I am, Iâm a believer that every you man should have to serve.
We arenât having these discussions over kneeling during the anthem weâre having them because some guy who wasnât fit to wear a badge killed a guy, who just happened to be black all the while three other knuckle heads stood around and watched it happen. Iâm not against the protest just the looting, killing, and burning. Unfortunately I donât see a solution unless you know how to change a persons heart, some people are just bound and determined to hate any other race and itâs not race specific either. If your question is law enforcement related then itâs simple up the pay and the standards, defunding is absolutely the silliest thing Iâve ever heard. Pay people well enough that they donât dare cross the line. Right now most officers are over worked and underpaid, how would you like to go to court on your off says for comp time. Dropping pay and underfunding leads to understaffed, undertrained, substandard police officers. Iâm open minded to a point and I can hear anyone ideas and proposals unless itâs disrespect to our nation and breaking our laws.
06-22-2020, 03:07 AM
FootballFan1999 Wrote:From a close friend who doesnât have an account on here but wanted to comment on the matter.Those who disrespect our flag are not part of the solution and, fair or not, many Americans associate their disrespect of our nation with the "mostly peaceful" protests and the looting, arson, and general lawlessness that is afflicting many of this country's largest cities. When police departments stop enforcing the law and elected officials stop supporting the men and women who have been hired to enforce law and order, those who will suffer the most will be the minorities who already live in areas with the highest crime rates in the country.
â The author of the âThe Star Spangled Bannerâ which is the current National Anthem was a slave owner. The poem in which he h evokes the history of a nation and its people. So I ask if as people of nation that has sought out change for equality among its citizens over the past 60-75 years, why is it not reasonable for one to think thatâs itâs also time to consider a National Anthem that reflects the Great Nation in which we strive to be rather than that of the Nation we have moved away from. Kneeling in protest of an âAnthemâ brings no disrespect to Our Flag or the service men that have fought and died for our country. On the contrary those Men and Women that sign up to protect and serve sign up to fight for the Nation that we want to leave to our Children. Yet, those who are unwilling to acknowledge that the Nation we want to leave to our future citizens is vastly different from the Nation that was founded 300 years ago. Why is that? Most commonly because 1 of 2 reasons. Change, people are afraid of change. They are afraid of being outside of their comfort zone and the way they were raised. Itâs much easier to continue with life the way it is. Or they know what is going on and the injustices that many people face, however they make the conscious decision that it does not affect their personal life and/or they donât care of the injustices that others face. Most commonly these people are referred to as racist. The first example is not innocent either. I fell in this category for a long time. I can honestly say I had no hatred in my heart for others, but I was ignorant and uneducated and therefore stayed out of any conversation I couldnât speak intelligently on. This shows in todayâs society when these social injustices are made into an argument about something else. People try to justify thoughts or actions. But, they did this; We canât do that; They do it to their own; etc. This isnât a religious or political affiliation issue. Thatâs the problem with so many people that canât see past their religion, political party, or respect of our nation. We choose what God(s) if want to worship or none at all, we choose who we vote for and to put our trust in, we choose to fight and support the growth of a better nation. We donât choose the color our our skin. And to be suppressed because of the color of our skin or our ethnic background is to the deepest core of immorality and goes against what this great nation stands for. And anyone that can justify or deny that it still happens can and should be classified as immoral, unpatriotic, treacherous, racist, and un-American. If youâre not part of the solution of making this nation the greatest in the world, youâre part of the problem and living in the past.â
06-22-2020, 04:19 AM
Hoot Gibson Wrote:Those who disrespect our flag are not part of the solution and, fair or not, many Americans associate their disrespect of our nation with the "mostly peaceful" protests and the looting, arson, and general lawlessness that is afflicting many of this country's largest cities. When police departments stop enforcing the law and elected officials stop supporting the men and women who have been hired to enforce law and order, those who will suffer the most will be the minorities who already live in areas with the highest crime rates in the country.
Itâs already happening, a lot of officers donât want to patrol certain neighborhoods because if they end up in a situation where force is needed theyâre gonna be in a sandwich
06-22-2020, 12:28 PM
Big Daddy Bull Wrote:I hate getting into this but have to. If that kid never took a knee, we would never be having this discussion so it worked, I'm a black man and would never take a knee during the anthem but I understand. I was born in the 50's if anyone should take a knee is my generation or older - couldn't drink, go to restroom, restaurants, moving theatres, etc, but I'm supposed to stand up and proudly salute that flag? I do because that's how I was raised, but if anyone should take a knee are people my age or older. There wasn't a black player in the SEC until 1968 I think, that's not that long ago. So everyone should stand up and salute? Someone said something about character, I think it says more about a persons character who tries to understand what's going on than just to look at it as being disrespectful, that flag doesn't mean the same to everyone. I was always hesitate to join this site, because its Eastern Kentucky based, and I bet there are schools represented on here that have only have 1 or 2 people of color on their teams if ANY, so most peoples views on this site are going to be different. I love football that's why I joined, but more and more people's true colors are coming out. I'm trying to get a discussion about Ohio can go full contact starting June 22, anyone else find that alarming, strange?Nate Northington, September 1967. And guess where he played; Lexington, KY. I think that's pretty cool!
Hoot Gibson Wrote:No, everybody should not salute but they should stand out of respect. More than 200,000 men, including many black men, died in the Civil War, the result of which included the end of slavery in this country.Very very well said.
Nobody that I know will dispute that racism has always been an issue in this country and for many, including Americans of all colors, racism will continue to always be an issue. However, the fact is that thousands of Americans, including a disproportionate number of black men, have died fighting for this country in every American war since the Civil War.
Millions have supported the fight for civil rights over the decades and many of those people have been white. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed without the support of white Republicans, as a large majority of Republicans in Congress voted for its passage and a large majority of Democrats voted against the bill.
When I stand for the national anthem, I am not saluting a perfect country, but I am showing my respect and appreciation for the sacrifices that our ancestors made over the years to make this country one that is a favorite destination of immigrants from all over the world.
I work on an Army base and occasionally attend retirement and promotion ceremonies. If I took a knee instead of standing at the times I was expected to stand, I would be escorted to the door by security guards and my employer would be asked to fill my position with somebody with more respect for the Army and their country. The expectation that professional athletes stand during the national anthem is not a double standard. I find it alarming that so many Americans are willing to excuse such disrespectful behavior.
I am looking forward to high school football and I sincerely hope that taking a knee does not spread to that level. Legally, I doubt that much can be done to prevent it from happening at the high school level because public schools are government entities and prohibiting players from making political statements before games would probably be struck down by courts as violations of the First Amendment.
I will try to restrict further expressions of my political opinions to the Politics forum. Hopefully, nobody else will claim that taking a knee during pregame ceremonies has nothing to do with the flag because nothing could be further from the truth.
FootballFan1999 Wrote:MLK said rioting is the voice of the unheard. And I would say the people protesting for change come across a lot different than those that show up to cause destruction. Thatâs come straight from the mouth of a trooper I know. Kneeling during the anthem has talks at an all time high. If kneeling isnât the answer then what is the answer?Aug 25, 2013 - I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard. ... I'm going to stand up as a lone voice and say, "This is the wrong way!".
Also, I appreciate the level headed conversation.
MLK was an activist before his time with great insight and understanding of racial inequality. He lived it.
TD Hounds Wrote:Gulf war veteran X2, served with several, several black men who where and are the epitome of a patriot and theyâll be my brothers till I draw my last breath. Iâm also in law enforcement where I have also had the pleasure of serving with black men who where professional, moral, dignified men who Iâd do anything I could to help at anytime. Iâve heard and seen all of this social injustice issues long before Kapernick took a knee. A lot of people of color not just black people would be surprised at how many of us in law enforcement would stand and march with them for most everything theyâre complaining about, but whatâs been going on isnât the answer. Donât tell me itâs not about the flag, itâs easily the most recognizable symbol of what Iâve spent most of my lifetime defending and Iâve asked nothing in return, nothing but to stand and honor it every single time you see it and if you canât do that then I really donât care what you have to say. If itâs not about the flag quit making it about the flag and expectIng us to listen cause itâs literally just pissing everyone off.Thank you for your service.
A local restaurant owner's daughter organized a peaceful demonstration in Harlan County. Several police officers stood with those folks, and some even brought water to them. I was a teenager in the 60s, and have participated in demonstrations and am all about freedom of expression. However, when that is flipped into riots and destruction of property I really must question it. More than being upset over social injustice, it just seems to me that extremists are USING a tragedy to further promote their personal agenda. That makes me sick. Using the tragic murder of George Floyd as a reason to burn down a local business only distracts and dilutes the issues that need to be highlighted.
06-22-2020, 09:22 PM
Granny Bear Wrote:Nate Northington, September 1967. And guess where he played; Lexington, KY. I think that's pretty cool!
Very very well said.
Aug 25, 2013 - I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard. ... I'm going to stand up as a lone voice and say, "This is the wrong way!".
MLK was an activist before his time with great insight and understanding of racial inequality. He lived it.
Thank you for your service.
A local restaurant owner's daughter organized a peaceful demonstration in Harlan County. Several police officers stood with those folks, and some even brought water to them. I was a teenager in the 60s, and have participated in demonstrations and am all about freedom of expression. However, when that is flipped into riots and destruction of property I really must question it. More than being upset over social injustice, it just seems to me that extremists are USING a tragedy to further promote their personal agenda. That makes me sick. Using the tragic murder of George Floyd as a reason to burn down a local business only distracts and dilutes the issues that need to be highlighted.
Most of these extremist are socialist, maybe even communist and what most of them donât even understand is that the only people living the same are you, me, and them the leaders of the party live in extravagance because theyâre smarter than everyone else, see AOC and Pelosi, theyâre literally living the life they admonish on TV. The United States definitely has its problems and there are definitely social issues where people of color are struggling but even with all that weâre the best thing going. Proof in point take a trip to China and protest the government and police and see how it goes...
06-23-2020, 01:11 AM
So will season start on time? Do you think it'll be delayed? Where do we stand now?
We can talk about all this other crap until be turn into aliens and it'll never change a thing people are crazy, having been driven there by social media.......
We can talk about all this other crap until be turn into aliens and it'll never change a thing people are crazy, having been driven there by social media.......
06-23-2020, 01:47 AM
Governor gives his recommendations for schools starting at Wednesday press conference. This may give some light on what direction Fall Sports will go. If social distancing and face masks are required I donât see how Football is a possibility.
06-23-2020, 01:48 AM
Oldtiger Wrote:So will season start on time? Do you think it'll be delayed? Where do we stand now?
We can talk about all this other crap until be turn into aliens and it'll never change a thing people are crazy, having been driven there by social media.......
I donât think we will start on time. Probably a shortened season at best. District games and playoff
06-23-2020, 05:13 AM
OutlawJoseyWales Wrote:I donât think we will start on time. Probably a shortened season at best. District games and playoff
Agree with this- Someone is going to have to be bold enough to make the call and it's going to be tough. High School Football starts before College's or NFL
06-23-2020, 05:15 AM
Will have a better ideal after Wednesday. Governor going to announce plans for school year.
06-24-2020, 02:52 AM
I donât think it looks good for high school college. NFL, Iâll never watch again anyway.
06-24-2020, 06:18 PM
From what I'm hearing.....I don't think it sounds real good. if you're in school...masks all day for teachers and students. all kinds of restrictions for 6 foot distancing, cafeteria, etc etc. If these are accurate.....I don't see how it will be feasible for teams to practice and play. hoping for the best.....
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