[jetpilot]

I like you jet.. always have.. but you have got to stop making yourself look bad with these crash and burns brother!

6-class system started in 2007.

Belfry had two titles in the 4-class system (03 and 04). Both in Class 2A, not 3A.

Additionally, if the watered down system is so bad, what does that say about Pikeville that they only have one title to show for since 2007?

It's playoff time, you can't be making these kind of fundamental errors. Tighten up!:biggrin:

Haha most of that was beer talking but most people know 3A has been the weakest class most years in the six-class system. 2014 was a prime example when Pikeville beat Belfry then Belfry won 3A and Pikeville stayed home.
But my main gripe was the hype that Belfry and JC are the two premiere programs in E Ky. Only a few fans from those two schools will take that as gospel.

[BlackcatAlum]

Johnson Central wins, 31-20.

[EKUAlum05]

Haha most of that was beer talking but most people know 3A has been the weakest class most years in the six-class system. 2014 was a prime example when Pikeville beat Belfry then Belfry won 3A and Pikeville stayed home.
But my main gripe was the hype that Belfry and JC are the two premiere programs in E Ky. Only a few fans from those two schools will take that as gospel.

3A is pretty average this year top to bottom, no denying that, but by and large over the past 10 years it has been pretty solid.

This will help your argument, but IMHO Class 4A has been the most lackluster class in recent years. Obviously that has changed dramatically this year with realignment, but for several years there were only two or three teams truly championship worthy at the top.

When it comes to EKY football things are cyclical. There are about ten programs who are always consistently strong, but who is the best ebbs and flows with talent pool.

Belfry and Pikeville are perfect examples of this. The majority of both teams' "heaviest lifting" in terms of hardware and State Finals runs has came in sustained stretches. Same can be said for Bell County, Corbin, Breathitt County, Middlesboro, Ashland, Johnson Central, Hazard, Ashland, Russell, etc.

I think traditionally speaking Belfry, Pikeville, Bell County, Breathitt County, and Corbin have probably done it the best for the longest, and of those schools Belfry and Pikeville has the most hardware to back up their argument. Johnson Central is kind of the "new money" of EKY. Under Matney and the six-class system they have taken a gigantic step forward for sure, but outside of the past 15 years their history is far from elite status.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Haha most of that was beer talking but most people know 3A has been the weakest class most years in the six-class system. 2014 was a prime example when Pikeville beat Belfry then Belfry won 3A and Pikeville stayed home.
But my main gripe was the hype that Belfry and JC are the two premiere programs in E Ky. Only a few fans from those two schools will take that as gospel.

I think the original poster said in the last 15-20 years. I guess my question is if Belfry and Jc are not the two elite programs.....then what two are? Do you have problems with both? Only one? What other two programs in the same period of time have been better?

[Dline]

Last year.

How did he do last year?

[EKUAlum05]

How did he do last year?

144 yards rushing. He was vital in setting up two of their three scores.

[Armchair QB]

Is it possible that Belfry's RPI could actually improve win or lose, based on JC's record and JC being up a class?

[Iam4thecats]

Calpreps does dynasty ratings since 2003. Its not 20 years but its all I have.
Belfry 31.1
Johnson Central 29.6
Bell 24.1
Ashland 21.8
Pulaski 19.9
Corbin 19.8

[EKUAlum05]

Is it possible that Belfry's RPI could actually improve win or lose, based on JC's record and JC being up a class?

It is possible but not likely, there is a trade off though between effecting Belfry's win percentage and what they benefit from the Opponent's Win Percentage. Unfortunately, the third components is Opponent's opponents win percentage and JC doesn't help a lot there because of all their out of state teams.

Belfry, Ashland, Russell, and Bell County are all fighting for that top RPI ranking in the East.

Bell County will most likely beat Harlan County and get decent points from it, but Bell County's secondary values will all potentially decrease for OWP and OOWP. I don't see Bell going up very much after this week regardless.

Belfry has a high ceiling low floor scenario this week. If Belfry beats JC, LCA beats Paintsville, Pikeville remains undefeated, and somehow Pike Central miraculously beats Breathitt they will sprig possibly up to the top RPI in 3A overall. If Belfry wins the mot likely scenario is they ride that to the top spot in the East and probably the 2nd best RPI overall. If Belfry loses it is going to be hard to pass Bell but the gap should close a little.

Ashland is in a "must win" scenario due to how it weighs out of State teams. Spring Valley will be a .500 RPI value so a loss will be brutal and make it almost impossible to catch Belfry or Bell. With a win, they still need a Belfry loss and some help from the other teams on their schedule they already beat to catch Bell. Harlan County is a much higher RPI value win than Spring Valley in the KHSAA's eyes.

Russell has work left to do in November, but West Carter is an advantageous opponent that they should beat. Harlan County will be a better win because they are a frog hair higher as it is, plus Bell will get a bonus for playing up. Russell though has better numbers on the two secondary components and will be cheering for Raceland, Fleming, and Ashland to all win.

There is a strong chance Russell will have the best RPI in that District as long as they win.


Long story short:
- Bell is the leader in the clubhouse but don't have a lot of wind coming into their sails this week.

- Belfry has a chance to blow past them and everyone else with a win, but most likely will not pass them if they end up losing.

- Ashland is in a tough spot and have to win to have any chance of moving up.

- Russell will have a hard time overcoming Bell, but might be able to pass Belfry in the event they knock off Ashland in the playoffs.

- Fleming County will be the 4-seed in the East.

[bucslover68]

Is it possible that Belfry's RPI could actually improve win or lose, based on JC's record and JC being up a class?

Yes, very much so.

[bucslover68]

The question was is it possible if the RPI improves win or lose and the answer is YES based in the fact that you get the “bonus” of playing a 4a school and you get your own improved winning pct as EKU said. Obviously you get more of a boost from winning. For example, the highest Belfry has been this year is .682, I believe, and that was right after losing to Pikeville. Obviously if Belfry had defeated the Panthers they would have gotten a bigger boost.

[Bull got out!]

Go Belfry, in a battle 35-34

[99PIRATEFAN]

With Belfry healthy it’s a one score game could go ether way

[BlackcatPride32]

I really hope Belfry is able to pull it off. With Dixon healthy and playing, I think they would be a SLIGHT favorite on Pond Creek.

Either way, let's hope both of these teams escape injury free and represent the mountains well in the playoffs!

[bucslover68]

With Belfry healthy it’s a one score game could go ether way

I agree. I think it goes either way. The ability for both teams to sustain drives and rattle the chains and hold on the football is big IMO. Also, whichever team can bust a big pay or make the other team make a huge mistake could be the tide turner. Btw the weather is gonna be cold looks like.

[JDCaudill4]

Belfry gets their guy stud back in Dixon but he’s roughly 80% healthy , he should be ready to go , and he being there will keep this one close but as good as belfry is at managing a game , they make too many mistakes that have almost cost them this season late it costed them the Pikeville game it’ll cost them here
Johnson Central 31
Belfry 20

[E's Army]

JC by 7. Would love to watch this one.

[bucslover68]

Belfry gets their guy stud back in Dixon but he’s roughly 80% healthy , he should be ready to go , and he being there will keep this one close but as good as belfry is at managing a game , they make too many mistakes that have almost cost them this season late it costed them the Pikeville game it’ll cost them here
Johnson Central 31
Belfry 20

Dixon has been back and playing very well. I agree that he’s still not 100 pct. Mistakes are huge I agree. Belfry hasn’t fumbled much this year. Really only the Pikeville game where they lost 2 and had an INT, but it’s been a few untimely penalties. They definitely have to clean that up for a big game like this.

[BlackcatPride32]

Anyone know if this is the WYMT game of the week?

[bucslover68]

This one has the makings of being a great game. 2 similar teams with loaded rosters.

[skully03]

Can’t wait to see this game. Should be a slobber knocker.

[Warriorhawk17]

Belfry-26
Johnson Central-24

[VELVET CLOSER]

This game will be a slobber knocker as usual. I think in the end JC quarterback Riley Preece will be the difference maker. Belfry will have to play extremely disciplined football on the defensive side. Coach Haywood will have to show different looks on offense, he will have to loosen up the JC defense to stand a chance. Belfry can’t be afraid to take some shots down field, stand up on first down and air a few out. If you let JC stack the box it will be a long night for the Pirates. JC to strong and stout in the front 7 to let them pin their ears back and come down hill all night long.

JC. 35
Belfry 20.

[Mister D]

Mainly hoping for no injuries and it would be nice for JC to get the win. They haven’t had a real competitive game in weeks so I expect it to take a couple of series for them to adjust.

JC- 28
Belfry- 21

[AtlPirateFan]

Would love to see a Pirate win but my head is telling me

JC- 34
Belfry - 26

[Dline]

Would love to see a Pirate win but my head is telling me

JC- 34
Belfry - 26

Why?

[eagles2011]

Why?

Going to be cold night good luck to both teams ware something warm

[eagles2011]

Who ever don't have turn over feaver wins this game,
I'm thinking 21/14 eathier team

[AtlPirateFan]

Why?

A couple of things.

- JC is firing on all cylinders
- Belfry may be healthy but they aren't 100% in sync yet imo.
- JC has veteran QB leadership and I am not sure Coleman is 100% comfortable under center yet.
- Home/Road seems to matter very little, the Pirates have only lost 10 regular-season home games at Cam Stadium since 2005, 3 of those losses have come to Johnson Central. The last 2 times JC came to Pond Creek they left with a W, the way this series has gone since it resumed I feel like JC is due a win on the road.

[99PIRATEFAN]

This is just what the doctor ordered if you love high school football good old smash mouth football. “GO BELFRY”. #55