Clay County 2015

Bird · 11-14-2014, 04:12 PM

I agree with you, the 2010 senior class was a great middle school group. With that being said, this years senior group went undefeated as 7th graders beating the eventual state champ Corbin at Corbin that year. Yet, our middle school coaches didn't see us fit to put us in the state playoffs. Carr and Reid were great players, but it wasn't limited to them, Collett, Big R, Garrison, Holland, Bowling, and Tommy Dean were also good. The problem in Clay isn't get good players to start playing football, its getting coaches that can keep them playing football. The basketball and baseball teams have made numerous trips to the sweet 16 in each of their divisions pulling kids from the same talent base as the football so it isn't the lack of athletes at the school.

UKCC · 11-14-2014, 07:44 PM

Bird Wrote:I agree with you, the 2010 senior class was a great middle school group. With that being said, this years senior group went undefeated as 7th graders beating the eventual state champ Corbin at Corbin that year. Yet, our middle school coaches didn't see us fit to put us in the state playoffs. Carr and Reid were great players, but it wasn't limited to them, Collett, Big R, Garrison, Holland, Bowling, and Tommy Dean were also good. The problem in Clay isn't get good players to start playing football, its getting coaches that can keep them playing football. The basketball and baseball teams have made numerous trips to the sweet 16 in each of their divisions pulling kids from the same talent base as the football so it isn't the lack of athletes at the school.

I agree Clay County has talent, without question. But any time a program is down kids will lose interest. It's sad, but in 2014 kids don't stick around when times get hard. Microwave society, instant gratification of some sort. I'm just curious, how many seniors graduated this year playing football? Serious question, I don't mean anything by it.

~~wiznut~~ · 11-14-2014, 09:02 PM

get Jim black out of NL good coach who will rise clay co out of the dark abyss they have fallen into . mayday to capt. Jim black the county coach Keith built needs you

Bird · 11-14-2014, 09:08 PM

6 or 7 finished the season if I am not mistaken. It appears the boys don't know how to block or tackle. You can not win a football game if you can not block or tackle, and it is the coaches job to teach them. Nothing they run on offense will work without a little time. Like you said talent is visible, well speed is too, if you cant block someone heads up how can you pull your lineman? How can you stop anybody on defense if you are always going backwards? If the players saw what they were working on work in a game the interest would grow.

~~Tigercreek~~ · 11-15-2014, 03:00 PM

The middle school and grade schools all need new coaches. No teaching at all at theses levels.

UKCC · 11-15-2014, 07:33 PM

I absolutely agree with you guys. Once a kid sees what they're doing in practice work, they will then feel like it has a purpose. Teaching them beings in grade school as well.

Big Red Machine · 11-15-2014, 07:59 PM

My opinion, the whole grade school system needs revamped. Having a 3rd grader go up against a 6th grader is terrible. The younger kids lose interest quick if they are getting beat down. I think they should change it to different grade levels. Let 5th and 6th play, let 3rd and 4th play, & and 1st and 2nd play. You may say there's not enough kids to do that at each school.....ok, put them all together and separate them equally. Have 4 teams in each division. As interest grows, more will come. You have to build the foundation 1st. The walls crumble without a solid foundation.

**pjdoug** · 11-15-2014, 08:38 PM

Granny Bear Wrote:I have read every single one of these, except the one written by Mike Krzyzewski. I just cannot bring myself to read it!
nicker:

I dont even want to read his name.

**pjdoug** · 11-15-2014, 08:41 PM

Fly Like a Duck Wrote:How many of you all knew that Mack Brown had three 1-10 seasons in his first five years of coaching, and @ TWO different schools? Tulane and UNC. Had them at both, and two came at UNC.

The schools administration was/is the problem Smile

**pjdoug** · 11-15-2014, 08:49 PM

Tight End Wrote:I know, Duke kinda sticks in my craw too! But, I had been reading his book, I can not tell a lie! BTW did you know that from 1969 to 1974, Krzyzewski served in the Army and directed service teams for three years. In 2005 he was presented West Point's Distinguished Graduate Award. Made me feel a little more hospitable towards him!! :Thumbs:

I dont like the Puke Blue Devils.he played for Bob Knight at Army and later coached there himself and he was a Bob Knight assistant at Indiana. I don't like him,Bob Knight or Indiana either:biggrin:

SKINNYPIG · 11-15-2014, 10:19 PM

Tigercreek Wrote:The middle school and grade schools all need new coaches. No teaching at all at theses levels.

Not sure about "all" coaches in Middle School and Grade Schools needing to go Tigercreek. Who would coach if they did? Don't we have one school that didn't have anyone willing to coach the last two years?

SLHSCard · 11-16-2014, 03:17 AM

Is clay having that much trouble finding knowledgeable youth coaches?

Bird · 11-16-2014, 08:23 AM

SKINNYPIG Wrote:Not sure about "all" coaches in Middle School and Grade Schools needing to go Tigercreek. Who would coach if they did? Don't we have one school that didn't have anyone willing to coach the last two years?

I agree with Tigercreek, as far back as I can remember, I cant recall a 7th grade team that had a better record their 8th grade season than they did their 7th. That shows we are not moving forward like the other programs. There are a couple of guys who have kids coming up thru the middle school right now who have coached football in the past with some success. Ask Hacker, Bowling, or Langdon any of these 3 could help.

**pjdoug** · 11-16-2014, 01:20 PM

Big Red Machine Wrote:My opinion, the whole grade school system needs revamped. Having a 3rd grader go up against a 6th grader is terrible. The younger kids lose interest quick if they are getting beat down. I think they should change it to different grade levels. Let 5th and 6th play, let 3rd and 4th play, & and 1st and 2nd play. You may say there's not enough kids to do that at each school.....ok, put them all together and separate them equally. Have 4 teams in each division. As interest grows, more will come. You have to build the foundation 1st. The walls crumble without a solid foundation.

:Thumbs:

~~Tigercreek~~ · 11-16-2014, 03:16 PM

Finding quality coaches that are helping for the good of the program instead of other reasons is the challenge. Lots of good guys that like to to help but are they willing to do the things the head high school coach wants. Not happened a lot in the past but I guess that's one of the qualities needed in the new coach. Lead and they will follow, right.

~~Oldtiger~~ · 11-16-2014, 03:56 PM

SLHSCard Wrote:Is clay having that much trouble finding knowledgeable youth coaches?

More about elementary schools not being able to fund the football programs, much less pay the coaches. A few years back they started playing all the games at Tiger Stadium and all the gate went to the High School Program leaving the elementary system unfunded. The whole system needs to get its priorities straight here in Tiger Nation.

SKINNYPIG · 11-16-2014, 06:20 PM

Tigercreek Wrote:Finding quality coaches that are helping for the good of the program instead of other reasons is the challenge. Lots of good guys that like to to help but are they willing to do the things the head high school coach wants. Not happened a lot in the past but I guess that's one of the qualities needed in the new coach. Lead and they will follow, right.

Amen on the bolded.

On more than one occasion the high school coach has tried to get very involved in the grade school ranks only to get a lot of pushback and complaints. I'm afraid the only "quality" in a coach that would get the elementary program on the same page as the high school is the power to choose/change coaches.

SKINNYPIG · 11-16-2014, 06:32 PM

Oldtiger Wrote:More about elementary schools not being able to fund the football programs, much less pay the coaches. A few years back they started playing all the games at Tiger Stadium and all the gate went to the High School Program leaving the elementary system unfunded. The whole system needs to get its priorities straight here in Tiger Nation.

Personally I haven't heard about funding football being a problem at the elementary schools. It very well may be a problem, just haven't heard it mentioned.

You nailed it when you said "the whole system needs to get its priorities straight". Until the admin, principals, athletic directors, parents and community decide they want a football PROGRAM, it doesn't make a bit of difference who the coach is.

~~Tigercreek~~ · 11-16-2014, 06:45 PM

You just nailed it SPig. Interested to see what kind of bandaid is coming for the football program. Glass half empty. Hope at least they will be working at the high school lol.

TheTigersEye · 11-16-2014, 07:05 PM

I am inclined to agree with skinnypig, There has to be a lot of changes in order have success.