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10-23-2014, 09:02 PM
RTL Wrote:So is he a 4.5 or not? You already back tracking you said early he ran a 4.5 , now you saying 4.6-4.7. I been to enough college camps and combine to know when a local or coach says a kid runs a 4.5 it's really a 4.7, and if he is really that fast, he usually does not have to run because he already got a scholarship and been timed by reliable source. Once again alot of "what if " and " this one time at band camp" type comments , your record is what your record says it is . Good luck against the jacketsIm guessing he runs faster than you RTL.
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10-23-2014, 09:06 PM
Ok . Let me clarify for you! I'll try to put in terms you can comprehended. I was making a point, my point being even a monster back such as LCA's Whitman can't do much when the Oline breaks down. Yes he had a huge game we all get that, no one has said otherwise. I'm just saying there were a few plays SSH broke through and stopped him, very very few plays. So, I wasn't bad mouthing him. Great athlete, just making a point even the biggest of backs don't always bust big plays when different color jerseys are in the backfield.
10-23-2014, 09:37 PM
i just laugh when these ppl start talking about these kids running these times. seems like other parts of this state have some of the fastest high school kids in the country.
10-23-2014, 11:37 PM
Truth_Hurts Wrote:I enjoy reading "you don't know speed" "you don't know what 4.5 looks like." As if you're the only person in the entire world thag can verify "true speed". Do you have any idea the difference from 4.3 to 4.5? Just because someone claims a 4.5 doesn't mean they should be placed on the levle of a 4.3. I was there when he ran a laser 4.5, do I think he's a 4.5 at this point? No I don't. 4.6-4.7 is more accurate after the injury and weight gained on the offseason. 40 times carry entirely too much weight anyways.
I actually do the difference very well. In the 35 years I spent at the NAIA level we had several 4.5 guys, and those were division 1 recievers that didn't take care of their grades in high school. For the most part our backs were in the 4.6 to 4.7 range. We had one kid that ran a 4.48 and he spent two years with us and transfered to a major division 1 program. I have had several coaches give me stats over the years as well as parents and usually when their inflated like that its because they don't see that type of speed and they think maybe I won't notice due to "how fast he looks on film," and it ends up hurting the player in the long run. He's a good running back and there is no reason to exaggerate his speed like that?
10-24-2014, 01:15 AM
RTL Wrote:Well I don't know which part of the game LCA game SSH was in the backfield because Whitman had no carries that where for a loss and he rushed for 240 yards and three touchdown " didn't do much" man those are high standards, You clearly shouldnt be throwing around football IQ comments. 2014 Fantsy island Lake Cumberland edition
I don't care what Whitman did, Doan in the best back in 2A football period!!!! If he would have been in football shape Somerset would have beat LCA by 3 scores.
10-24-2014, 01:42 AM
Love these sorts of threads! Like listening to theories on quantum physics at the local flea market.
Win or lose, good luck to both teams in the playoffs. They both have the capacity to upset/shock some opponent(s) if they pull together.
Win or lose, good luck to both teams in the playoffs. They both have the capacity to upset/shock some opponent(s) if they pull together.
10-24-2014, 01:43 AM
Why was he not in shape? He play at Southwestern. Not the best in 2A, but good.
10-24-2014, 02:33 AM
FlippedOut Wrote:Why was he not in shape? He play at Southwestern. Not the best in 2A, but good.
Hadn't played or really practiced in a month. I'm sure it takes some time to adjust to a new team (even if that team is your "old" team). This team will continue to improve, whether it reflects on the scoreboard THIS season is yet to be determined.
10-24-2014, 02:43 AM
We will get a chance to see him tomorrow. The loser of this game is done come playoff time, out first round.
10-24-2014, 05:02 AM
Somerset has had guys that have run high 4.4 times. They know what it looks like. One guy said he seen Doan lazer timed in the 4.5 range. Chuveront was there last year and ran somewhere in the 4.4 range. ( Don't even try to say thats inflated). Like the guy said Doan was timed before his injury and before he put on weight. I'd guess him at a high 4.5 to low 4.6 right now. Next summer he will be back in the low 4.5 range.
10-24-2014, 05:16 AM
Somerset in the last 17 years has had probably 3 to 4 guys in the mid to high 4.4 range and probably 4 or 5 guys in the low to mid 4.5 range. I dont think those are inflated numbers for 17 years of football. 4.4 guys would be B. Newell, J. Cole, C. Chuveront and maybe S. Wilson. 4.5 guys were M. Mills, B. Brooks, T. Perkins, S. Newell, W. Lange.
10-24-2014, 05:51 AM
I would say Storm was probably more like 4.5 but Scottie Newell was never 4.5 speed. The thing that made Scottie tough was he was a hard downhill runner but he was only low 4.6's on a good day. Same thing with Storm, his athleticism and toughness made him seem much faster than he really was. John Cole and Brandon Newell were the fastest I've seen in the last 15 years though.
10-24-2014, 08:35 AM
WETSU Wrote:Somerset in the last 17 years has had probably 3 to 4 guys in the mid to high 4.4 range and probably 4 or 5 guys in the low to mid 4.5 range. I dont think those are inflated numbers for 17 years of football. 4.4 guys would be B. Newell, J. Cole, C. Chuveront and maybe S. Wilson. 4.5 guys were M. Mills, B. Brooks, T. Perkins, S. Newell, W. Lange.
So Somerset has better athletes than most of the top NAIA schools? That's what you're saying with these numbers. You might have had one guy in the 4.5 range or so but the statistics just don't add up for the rest? How many of those guys played division 1 football?
10-24-2014, 12:30 PM
I never said they were an elite program did I? I said over the years they have had some fast guys. Just because you dont win the state title dont mean your guys aren't fast. Look at Madison Southern. How has their team been doing with the best RB in the nation. Oh I guess he must not be fast enough for a state title.
10-24-2014, 01:11 PM
baseball1974 Wrote:So Somerset has better athletes than most of the top NAIA schools? That's what you're saying with these numbers. You might have had one guy in the 4.5 range or so but the statistics just don't add up for the rest? How many of those guys played division 1 football?
Just because you are fast doesn't mean you can play football.
10-24-2014, 01:48 PM
Middlesboro has this one.
10-24-2014, 02:08 PM
Middlesboro 24
Somerset 20
Somerset 20
10-24-2014, 03:41 PM
WETSU Wrote:I never said they were an elite program did I? I said over the years they have had some fast guys. Just because you dont win the state title dont mean your guys aren't fast. Look at Madison Southern. How has their team been doing with the best RB in the nation. Oh I guess he must not be fast enough for a state title.
Is he (Doane) faster than Damien Harris?
10-24-2014, 03:44 PM
FlippedOut Wrote:Just because you are fast doesn't mean you can play football.
Actually a lot of Division 1 coaches will recruit based off of upside. I have seen several kids with only one or two years of football that have gotten D1 football scholarships just based off their speed. This mainly happens with receivers though.
10-24-2014, 04:44 PM
WETSU Wrote:Thats over a 17 year period bro. 4 of them played D1 ball a 5th would have had he not tore acl his senior year. 2 100m track champs of them. 1 played DB and punt return for Eastern. Off the field issues kept 2 of them out.
Who were the 2 100 meter state champs? Cole was the fastest of the bunch and he played baseball. What years did they win?
10-24-2014, 04:48 PM
E's Army Wrote:Who were the 2 100 meter state champs? Cole was the fastest of the bunch and he played baseball. What years did they win?
Cheuvront was state champion in 2013 and runner-up in 2014. I think Cole was the other.
10-24-2014, 05:26 PM
This season hasnt panned out the way people in the crater had originally thought. This team has struggled and it breaks my heart to see this much talent be withered away. Some big things have to happen to turn this around. i still have faith Middlesboro 28 Somerset 7
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