[Bear_Paw]

You disagree with the fact that I know no one who home schooled their kids because they thought their kids were better than the kids in public school? I would love to hear how you know the kids that I know who were home schooled.

I don't know the kids you know nor their parents, but I know several parents that think their kids are better and don't want then educated in our public system.

[Objective]

I don't know the kids you know nor their parents, but I know several parents that think their kids are better and don't want then educated in our public system.

I understand how you would see a parent that won't allow there kids to go to a public school system that have 30+ kids in a class room, AP material that doesn't prepare your child for college as some one who thinks there kids are too good for public school but that's not the case. Now I can't speak for everyone but we did it on a Faith based (public schools teach evolution as truth won't allow ten commandments on the wall and no prayer at school and a education discussion not that our kid was better. So please Sir don't assume everyone home schooling or private school kids are stuck ups That's like saying everyone on here are rednecks and only have one train of thought which isn't true

[panther nation]

^
Yes some school systems may help prepare a kid for college better or at least that is what they want people to believe. I don't the the school makes the kid but the kid makes the school. You can send a child to the best school and if they don't want to learn the want. Then again have a child at a not so great school and this kid wants to learn and study and excels in everything. So who is to blame for the short fall the kid the school or parents.
But it is your right as a parent to send your kid to the school that you choose for them to get a education. But it doesn't make it right cause you educate your child here but they can play sports here. And the insurance is also going to be a big issue. In order for a schools insurance to cover a child they have to be enrolled in that school system therefore said child couldn't ride the bus with the rest of the team to and from sporting events.

[Ghostofjoey]

Bottom line, sports are EXTRA-curricular and you opted out of the curriculum. High school sports are a privilege that do not have to be offered to kids. Once you take your kids out of school that's it. If it is for religious reasons, then why take your kids voice of faith out of the school. As far as not preparing kids for college, you may be right but it is the hand we are dealt with the school's being strictly judged by test scores and grad rates. How does it benefit a school to not pass a student who is not getting it done in class? It doesn't, it only reflects poorly on the school instead of the lazy student.

The system is far from perfect but allowing some to circumvent the rules everyone else follows is not the answer.

For you homeschoolers, you should be careful. If you get legislation passed that allows your child to play it may mean that you have to adhere to some conditions from the state. Do you want the state dictating the conditions of meeting homeshool standards? E.g. the parent must have a college degree....etc....

[Bear_Paw]

I understand how you would see a parent that won't allow there kids to go to a public school system that have 30+ kids in a class room, AP material that doesn't prepare your child for college as some one who thinks there kids are too good for public school but that's not the case. Now I can't speak for everyone but we did it on a Faith based (public schools teach evolution as truth won't allow ten commandments on the wall and no prayer at school and a education discussion not that our kid was better. So please Sir don't assume everyone home schooling or private school kids are stuck ups That's like saying everyone on here are rednecks and only have one train of thought which isn't true

Read my post again. "Several" not equal to "Everyone" I see parents who have no business home schooling more often than not. That doesn't mean your subset is equal to mine, but it happens. I think parents that home school should be certified just as our educators are. You will never convince me parents who can't pass a GED exam are capable of homeschooling a child. Before you go postal now....remember, I'm not saying every parent that home schools can't pass a GED. Faith base is your option, but I get a little bent out of shape when I see people with no formal training laying claim that they can educate a child better than several of my family members who has spent thousands of dollars and years of their lives to get trained and certified. :HitWall:

[Westside]

No, I don't think home schooled students should be allowed to play team sports.

[cksportsfan]

http://khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/20132014/bylaw4.pdf
Case BL-4-8- Is it permissible for a student to participate for a member school while enrolled in another school that does not offer a particular sport?
No, a student desiring to participate shall be enrolled as a full-time student and receiving credit through the member school at which participation is desired, or be a student at a “feeder” school in the same school district.

Case BL-4-9- Is it permissible for a home-schooled student to participate in interscholastic athletics at a KHSAA member school?
No, unless that student is also enrolled full-time (minimum four hours of instruction) at that local high school or under that local Board of Education. In order to represent a member school, a student shall be a full-time student at a KHSAA member school or at a “feeder” school as defined and interpreted under Bylaw 4.

There's also 704 KAR 7:120, Section 2, part 7. A STATE LAW. That over-rules KHSAA.
And it reads: "Eligibility for home/hospital instruction shall cease if the student works or participates in athletic activities.”
Note in KHSAA handbook: "Schools and school districts are reminded that a student who practices or plays in an athletic scrimmage or contest is no longer able to be in home bound instruction once such participation occurs."

Also, some folks on here need to re-read the PROPOSED law. If it goes through, yikes!

1) A Sayre (KHSAA) student could play football for Henry Clay, Lafayette, Station, Dunbar, Tates Creek.
2) A Bethlehem (KHSAA) kid could bowl for Thomas Nelson or Nelson County.
3) A Wesley Christian (KCAA member) kid could play football at a nearby public school yet still play basketball for Wesley Christian.
4) A North Hardin Christian (KCAA member) kid could play football for John Hardin or North Hardin. You could have NH Christian kids going different ways since it pulls kids from JH and NH districts. You could have NH Christian kids going to class with each other and then facing off on Friday night.

There's a huge GIGANTIC loophole in this logic. North Hardin (KHSAA) football boosters could recruit kids and send them to North Hardin CHRISTIAN (KCAA, non-khsaa member). But since NH Christian does NOT have football, they would therefore be eligible at North Hardin High. Elizabethtown Independent could do the same at nearby Elizabethtown Christian. Somerset/Pulaski/Southwestern could do the same at Somerset Christian.

This proposed law opens a huge can of worms recruiting wise.

Also, the proposed law does NOT specify "high school", at least not from what I've read. So high school programs could raid middle schools. Right now, St. James in Hardin County is a Catholic middle school with no direct high school. If this law passes, St. James kids could suddenly be suiting up for Central Hardin, John Hardin or Elizabethtown. You could have St. James kids going to the SAME CLASS, yet facing off against each other because not all St. James kids live in E'town.

[Objective]

cksportsfan ....good piece and I see some of the disadvantages in this law when it comes to being able to loop hole recruiting. this is what I wanted in this discussion real problems this could cause. How many schools would you imagine would take advantage of this loop hole ? and are they doing it already ? school that would take advantage of this already are.

Bear Paw no one is saying better just a different choice that's what makes america great we have the freedom to choose. most home-schoolers use material by Abeka which is a DVD based program with masters level teachers and the parent is just an administrator so they could have an GED and do a great job as long as they pushed and supported there child. they even have 800 numbers for help

GhostofJoey ...homeschooler already have to meet standards set down by big brother.


My intentions with this is pure for the kids and parents looking to educate their child threw a faith based program that would not look to take advantage or cheat I understand some adults would take advantage and use it in the wrong way but do you punish a few for the masses ?

[loven_war]

If they want to play sports then they should have to attend that the school. If not keep them at home. If you exclude them from Public school also exclude them fro public sports.

[TigerBlues]

No, I don't think home schooled students should be allowed to play team sports.

Agreed, no damn way.

[Bob Seger]

It doesn't matter to me either way, but the thing about it is whether or not the kid attends a particular school system or not his parents are still paying school taxes even if they aren't, so in my mind, if they are paying the taxes they should be allowed to play in that particular district....Again, I could care less either way.

[cksportsfan]

cksportsfan ....good piece and I see some of the disadvantages in this law when it comes to being able to loop hole recruiting. this is what I wanted in this discussion real problems this could cause. How many schools would you imagine would take advantage of this loop hole ? and are they doing it already ? school that would take advantage of this already are.

Bear Paw no one is saying better just a different choice that's what makes america great we have the freedom to choose. most home-schoolers use material by Abeka which is a DVD based program with masters level teachers and the parent is just an administrator so they could have an GED and do a great job as long as they pushed and supported there child. they even have 800 numbers for help

GhostofJoey ...homeschooler already have to meet standards set down by big brother.


My intentions with this is pure for the kids and parents looking to educate their child threw a faith based program that would not look to take advantage or cheat I understand some adults would take advantage and use it in the wrong way but do you punish a few for the masses ?

If you allow home school and private school kids to start playing for whatever public school they choose (you got to remember, far different living in multi-school counties like Louisville/Jefferson and Lexington/Fayette than living in single-school counties like LaRue, Green, Hancock, Grayson, Greenup, etc.).

This would make public schools IN LARGE METROS ONLY more powerful. Won't help Hancock and Grayson. Could be a huge help to Henry Clay, being able to pluck kids from Lexington Sayre (no football), Lexington Blue Grass Baptist (KCAA), Lexington Bluegrass United (KCAA), Lexington Trinity Christian (KCAA).

Plus the recruiting loophole could easily be abused. Bring in kid and stash 'em at any of the 30+ KCAA schools. Or allow 'em to be home-schooled.

As far as punishing few for the masses? By allowing homeschoolers and privates (not having certain sports, that is), your punishing the MASSES to favor a few.

I certainly wouldn't want my kid losing a roster spot/losing playing time to a kid who doesn't even go to school there.

Even if the kid is great, could create animosity.

Some schools will NOT take foreign exchange kids. This would kind of be like that. If I was a coach and the kid (or parents) didn't feel like they should have to attend my school, I wouldn't see much incentive to put them on my team.

Unless they're Tebow. But let's face it. There's not a lot of Tebows walking around the homeschool/private school (without certain sports) sector.

I do NOT think the positives of the proposed law outweigh the CHAOS it will create.

Kind of like a "one free transfer no questions asked" rule some folks on here want passed. ... Way more harm than good. Recruiting (especially for upcoming seniors who have yet to transfer) would increase because those seniors wouldn't have much stopping them from transferring. Before you know it, the top senior BB players at Iroquois, Moore and Southern are all suddenly at already-stacked Ballard with no bylaws or paperwork to worry about.

[nky]

Some of you don't understand home schooling in Kentucky.
http://education.ky.gov/federal/fed/page...chool.aspx
Rights of the parent
The Kentucky constitution establishes the prerogatives of the parents to choose the formal education for the child. Therefore, parents may choose to homeschool their child. KRS Ann. 159.010(2)

If a parent chooses this option, they take complete responsibility for educating their child .The parent/guardian selects the curriculum and educational materials. There is no state financial assistance for families who choose this option.
For details on Kentucky laws regarding Homeschools please see the information packet available in useful links and documents.
​

Meaning the parents are responsible for all discicions. The state requires an account of attendance and some type of curriculum but does not force any curriculum.

[nky]

By the way the local district is responsible for checking parents once the parents notify local superintendent that they will be home schooling.

[Ghostofjoey]

I guess I see faith different. I take my faith with me in the world as do my kids. Just because you are IN the world does not mean you are OF the world. That is why I feel, and will always feel, that if you choose to take part in the KHSAA it's all or nothing. If you don't want to go to public school then you can follow a faith based education at a private school that has sports. The KHSAA already bends on that by letting privates participate in the overall state championships. That is more than they get in some states.

[Ghostofjoey]

Some of you don't understand home schooling in Kentucky.
http://education.ky.gov/federal/fed/page...chool.aspx
Rights of the parent
The Kentucky constitution establishes the prerogatives of the parents to choose the formal education for the child. Therefore, parents may choose to homeschool their child. KRS Ann. 159.010(2)

If a parent chooses this option, they take complete responsibility for educating their child .The parent/guardian selects the curriculum and educational materials. There is no state financial assistance for families who choose this option.
For details on Kentucky laws regarding Homeschools please see the information packet available in useful links and documents.
​

Meaning the parents are responsible for all discicions. The state requires an account of attendance and some type of curriculum but does not force any curriculum.

So to me this means there are very little requirements put on the homeschooling parent. I could see that getting amped up if they let them in school extra-curriculars.

[nky]

In Kentucky local notification and some basic record keeping. I don't see legislation messing much with that.

[OrangenowBlue]

For this to work in Kentucky, they are going to have to be stricter in who they allow to home school. As far as taxation without representation, you chose to do this,not the government. Using this argument, are you saying that people without children shouldn't have to pay school taxes also. This country has had taxation without representation for years. Ask the residents of Washington DC or anyone who pays an occupational tax and doesn't live in that community.

[zaga_fan]

I hear there are going to be some great home schools on Lotts Creek in 2016

[M'boroYellowJacket]

Bumping this up for further discussion. I came to start a conversation about this but searched to see if there was already a thread about it.
For me, this law would mean everything to me. I go to a private school that does not offer high school sports, but I have played basketball all of my life. Starting next year, I will not be able to play school basketball anymore unless this law is passed.
I see no problem with it. If a home school student or private school student's academics meet the standards, why not? Why wouldn't one be allowed to play basketball for a public school?
I really hope the law is passed.

[Uneed2know]

Any student within means should be eligible

[Diogenes]

It does fly, because that tax I pay is directly attributed as a school tax so if my kid doesn't attend or has never attended then I'm being unfairly taxed


Road way taxes are general not specified taxes so if I use any of the road ways then I'm using my tax dollars at work

Taxation without Representation is against the Constitution

I don't mind paying my fair share just give me the same advantages from my tax dollars or give me the tax money to use as tuition to the school of my choosing

I don't even have a kid, and yet I pay school tax.

We're all being unfairly taxed. That argument really doesn't fly.

Also, somebody should Washington DC that part about taxation without representation being unconstitutional, because they don't have any representation in either house of Congress. They would probably get upset if they knew that.

[baseball1974]

When I was coaching in Florida I ran across this in several instances. Unless Florida has amended their law, they do allow home-schooled students to participate in ALL extracurricular activities including athletics. They are not allowed to go wherever they want. It must be within the same georgraphical guidelines that everyone else follows. All home-schooled kids are apart of an organization that sets curriculum, maintains their progress, and sets overall guidelines the person overseeing the home-schooling must abide by. The public school can also have an administrator oversee any student that wants to participate in their sports, and make sure everything is on the same level as the other students. They are referred to as "dual enrollment" students. So they have to abide by the same things any student that wants to play has to do. For example, a 2.0 GPA, certain amount of credits earned each year, etc. somebody mentioned something in an earlier post about the insurance situation when this happens. When they are classified as a "dual entollment" student and approved by the administration, they are then covered by the same insurance. I did see a situation where a home-school student made the premium higher, and the parent had to pay the difference of that premium. So as far as travel and all that, thy are covered.

Unfortunately, this seems to be happening more and more with kids being home-schooled, and with so many of them, more states are starting to adopt laws like what I seen in Florida. There are actually 3/4 of the states in the country that do have laws like this. The sad truth is that public school education is not what it use to be. Now days, teachers teach to the state tests instead of normal curriculum. They put so much pressure on the results of those tests that teachers don't have a choice but to do that. There has also been a major drop-off in the caliber of teacher that is coming into the schools. Most of your top intellectual people going through college can't except paying more for a year of school than they'll make when they get out. By what teachers are paid annually, they make it impossible for the smartest kids coming out of college to chose teaching as a profession. Over the last 20 years, the cost of living has risen significantly, but the amount a first year teacher makes has not. It's not fiscally responsible for anyone with college debt to chose teaching as a profession. All of this is a huge reflection on why we have more and more parents choosing to home-school their kids. I'm not sure what a solution is, but I don't think there is any harm in letting them participate in athletics. It may not sound right to some people, but if my child was not being challenged academically then I would find alternate ways of getting them to where they need to be. Sometimes athletics is the only possible way some kids are able to go to college, and regardless if their home-schooled or not, I would never take that away from anyone.

[Westside]

I agree %100. If you do not go to that school, you can not play sports for that school.

I agree.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Regardless of how anyone sees this issue, I am pleased that my daughter spent her first fourteen years of school in a private school. I am pleased that we were able to pay the rather large private school tuition and also to pay the overpriced government school taxes that were assessed on our real estate. I don't regret one cent of the cost although I firmly believe that a lot of the money going to these government schools was and is wasted.

It is obvious that most all of the posters in this thread are government school products and government school supporters. That is fine. However, now that my daughter has completed her education, graduating summa cum laude, and now practices law in northern Kentucky and Cincinnati, I believe that we made the best decision regardless of any small slight in the area of athletic opportunity.

Each family must gauge its own priorities. We did and, for us, we were right.