[sstack]

I don't necessarily think it's wrong. I think if a kid is catholic, or even a non-catholic, and wants to go to a catholic school, it should be allowed with assistance. My problem is that the scholarships/assistance and the like can be used to steer kids to certain schools that the scholarship givers support.
An example, strictly for example purposes, not based on facts, would be something like a kid at St. Mary deciding on Newcath or Brossart. Say he doesn't have a lot of cash. Suddenly he gets the good citizen memorial $1000 scholarship to NewCAth. Now Newcath has an advantage of getting the kid over Brossart. Maybe the scholarship is deserving. Maybe it's because he's 6'9or maybe it's because he runs like a jaguar.

You make a good point!

[knighted]

I've always wondered, are there even enough private schools in KY for them to have their own class?

IMO you would have to include open enrollment schools also. Whats the difference?

[Blau Vogel]

Wow.

People say that schools like CovCath recruit because they get kids from all over, but, if they only had kids only came there for sports, then they'd be in a 2a or so. We had a lot of good athletes in my grade at CovCath, but most kids just went there for the atmosphere and/or academics.

Furthermore, I was recruited by Beechwood and Dixie to no end, but no one from CCH ever recruited me.

You want to say a school like Highlands doesn't recruit just because they're a public school? Who are the two biggest stars from Highlands? Jared Lorenzen and Derek Smith, right? I love Lorenzen- he's a good friend of mine- but he's from Edgewood (or might be the border of Erlanger, but it's basically the same thing), which is a half an hour away from Highlands when there's absolutely no traffic, you hit every light, and you don't stop on any tutrn. Smith is from Bellevue, which is closer, but it's still not in Highlands' district.

It is a half hour away if you WALK...Driving time is less than 10 minutes. Besides he lived in FORT THOMAS with his mother. His dad lived in Edgewood I think. Smith was from SILVER GROVE...NO FOOTBALL To play football, he had two choices. Campbell County, where he would have had to pay tuition or Highlands where his mother had worked for years so he didn't have to pay tuition...You make the call.

[Blau Vogel]

there ARE A LOT of public schools that recruit players.
having a playoffs like that will take away from football in kentucky.
everyone need to grow a pair and get over it. it don't matter if its a public or private school. the better team will win 9 out 10.

If you have proof of this you should report it to KHSAA.org because it is against the rules.

[nky]

I don't know how much tuition is to Highlands. I think it's about $4k to $5k. I could be wrong, but I don't think Highlands can give assistance.

but what's the true cost of Educating a student In Ft. Thomas? $8,000 to $9, 000? So each out of district student is getting around $4k assistance

[nky]

I don't necessarily think it's wrong. I think if a kid is catholic, or even a non-catholic, and wants to go to a catholic school, it should be allowed with assistance. My problem is that the scholarships/assistance and the like can be used to steer kids to certain schools that the scholarship givers support.
An example, strictly for example purposes, not based on facts, would be something like a kid at St. Mary deciding on Newcath or Brossart. Say he doesn't have a lot of cash. Suddenly he gets the good citizen memorial $1000 scholarship to NewCAth. Now Newcath has an advantage of getting the kid over Brossart. Maybe the scholarship is deserving. Maybe it's because he's 6'9or maybe it's because he runs like a jaguar.

NewCath would only want him he ran like a Thoroughbred:Thumbs:

[nky]

From http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/RR382.pdf

Ft. Thomas Schools are on pages 136-37
Cost per student in 2010 was just under $10,000

[fb fan]

Things like this is exactly my point. Look folks lets get real. I am a coach and have coached for several years. But I know all too well that tuition is being payed for players to come play for Trinity as an example. Furthermore we all know that Highlands which is an independent school RECRUITS LIKE CRAZY to get quality players to come play. And don't give me all that BS about academics is the reason. When I look at these players and it is very CLEAR they are superior over other kids in districts right next to them, we all know what is going on. Sooooooo go ahead and give Trinity the 6A State title once again. And Highlands Independent (Public School) , Yeah Right!! the 4A State title. You all know this is what will happen. Why deny it. Do you really think these teams will ever have a losing season due to the talent level. NO I DON'T THINK SO!! As long as you can patrol other districts and pull from other schools this will continue.

[Blau Vogel]

Things like this is exactly my point. Look folks lets get real. I am a coach and have coached for several years. But I know all too well that tuition is being payed for players to come play for Trinity as an example. Furthermore we all know that Highlands which is an independent school RECRUITS LIKE CRAZY to get quality players to come play. And don't give me all that BS about academics is the reason. When I look at these players and it is very CLEAR they are superior over other kids in districts right next to them, we all know what is going on. Sooooooo go ahead and give Trinity the 6A State title once again. And Highlands Independent (Public School) , Yeah Right!! the 4A State title. You all know this is what will happen. Why deny it. Do you really think these teams will ever have a losing season due to the talent level. NO I DON'T THINK SO!! As long as you can patrol other districts and pull from other schools this will continue.

If you have ANY proof of this, you should report it IMMEDIATLY to:

KHSAA.org
2280 Executive Drive
Lexington, KY - 40505
(859) 299-5472 - 859-293-5999 (f)

[Football1]

When I was a newbie as you all call it - I posted a similiar thread posing the question of how its fair for Private schools to win championships against public schools when they don't have the same rules from bringing kids to their team from other areas. I simply wanted to know. I got the same level of ridicule and "oh my God here we go again".

If you don't like the fact that a new member of this community poses a question that has been asked before would it not make sense to allow members who do care to respond while you sit silently? OR must you cease the opportunity to make a new person feel so unwelcome? Just curious.

[nky]

They have the same rules it's called KHSAA by laws

[Wideleft01]

Things like this is exactly my point. Look folks lets get real. I am a coach and have coached for several years. But I know all too well that tuition is being payed for players to come play for Trinity as an example. Furthermore we all know that Highlands which is an independent school RECRUITS LIKE CRAZY to get quality players to come play. And don't give me all that BS about academics is the reason. When I look at these players and it is very CLEAR they are superior over other kids in districts right next to them, we all know what is going on. Sooooooo go ahead and give Trinity the 6A State title once again. And Highlands Independent (Public School) , Yeah Right!! the 4A State title. You all know this is what will happen. Why deny it. Do you really think these teams will ever have a losing season due to the talent level. NO I DON'T THINK SO!! As long as you can patrol other districts and pull from other schools this will continue.

What an idiot. Highlands has been winning games for a 100 years. People want to go there. They can't be offered scholarships or reduced tuition regardless of their circumstances. Catholic schools do offer reduced tuition. And who on Highlands was recruited "like crazy".

Sounds like just another uneducated, dumb guy with a computer.

[toussaints]

So a kid gets a scholarship to go to a private school. Doesn't that put the private school and public school on the same level as far as how much it cost the family to send their kid to that school?

As far as recruiting, it happens at most, if not all schools, including public. How does the New York H.S. basketball player of the year end up at Perry Co. Central? How does a star middle school athlete from a low income family Frankfort end up playing football and basketball at LexCath or Trinity? How do kids from lower class families in Covington and Newport end up at schools like Beechwood, CovCath, Highlands, Holy Cross, or at a public school outside of Kenton or Campbell county?

Look recruiting happens at all levels, and there is nothing wrong with convincing a kid to come to your school when its within the rules. It only becomes outrageous when the kid and his/her families recieve more than enough help from that school to have them there.

By the way, of the 12 teams that played in a state championship game last season, 3 were private schools

[WeBelieve]

I happen to know 2 St Mary's students who selected NewCath over
Brossart...because it was the best fit Academically
Neither play sports
Both in National Honor Society
They must have been "recruited" by NCC to
help them defeat Highlands in the Mock Trial Tournament last year
maybe we should report this?

[vundy33]

My senior year, my team in Arizona was denied the State Championship game by a private school from Scottsdale. AZ and KY recruiting rules are pretty similar, along with most other rules. Anyway, this team, Chaparral, was ranked nationally, and had players from everywhere, some players we played against in that game are in the NFL now. I don't hate private schools because of that, and I certainly don't want some type of separate playoffs...that would make Kentucky football horrible.

We wanted a state championship more than anyone could imagine, and we upset alot of teams to get to the semi's, but we just came up short against a team that didn't want it more, they were just plain better. And even then, they only beat us by two TD's. Shit happens...just gotta get better on your own and ignore everyone else, just focus on your own team.

[wildcats fan]

All of the private schools have there own state tournament and let the public schools have there own state tournament.. To make it fair

[Wideleft01]

I happen to know 2 St Mary's students who selected NewCath over
Brossart...because it was the best fit Academically
Neither play sports
Both in National Honor Society
They must have been "recruited" by NCC to
help them defeat Highlands in the Mock Trial Tournament last year
maybe we should report this?

NewCAth isn't beating Highlands in anything on the academic side. That's a given.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Where did the Mitchell kid who played for Highlands live before he went to Highlands?

[Stardust]

^ I believe he was headed to Simon Kenton, thus Independence

[Jeepman]

The public private thing will never go away. It is brought up all the time. Many things in football and other sports are not fair.

In 2006 a 1-a school and a 3-a school combined to become Mercer County. Their enrollment with the merger placed them in the 5-a division. KHSAA allowed them to play in 3-A. Now here is a situation where KHSAA turned a blind eye toward all the schools in 3-a. Mercer a 5-a school went on to win a state championship in 3-a. Mercer has done absolutely nothing now that they play in the division they belong in. So go figure.

My point:: If you are expecting KHSAA to do something don't hold your breath. We all know that public schools have been know to recruit also. Some are just better at it than others.

I do find it interesting when a muslim kid is going to a catholic high school.

[rustyankle]

Any school that student has to pay tuition is not like a public school , so make all schools that get tuition play against one another and all public schools that don't get tuition play so you have 2 state tourneys

[Can you dig it?]

^ I believe he was headed to Simon Kenton, thus Independence

I remember it as being Florence, so Boone County or CovCath.

[Grid Iron Warrior]

Another case of wanting to be able to give little Johnny a blue ribbon for playing against his own kind (public) and not deal with those kids with advantages(private). Really, everyone makes their own way in life. I have children that play in public schools and I teach them in life if you want something work for it. That means at times there is going to be other people that have more ability/ "advantages" but you can still overcome that with hard work and persistance. I guess where I am going is, there is no more ADVANTAGES for private schools than there is for public schools. Study Hard, Play Hard and have desire ,ambition, and courage to try and you can be successful in all realms of LIFE!!!!!!

[toussaints]

Where did the Mitchell kid who played for Highlands live before he went to Highlands?

Mitchell went to CovCath before he transferred to Highlands. In grade school he lived in Covington, in high school he lived in Florence and then Ft. Thomas with his aunt.

[rustyankle]

everyone is scared of change

[Wideleft01]

Mitchell went to CovCath before he transferred to Highlands. In grade school he lived in Covington, in high school he lived in Florence and then Ft. Thomas with his aunt.

You can't really blame a guy for wanting to get out of a perennial loser and go to a place that wins in Highlands.

[toussaints]

You can't really blame a guy for wanting to get out of a perennial loser and go to a place that wins in Highlands.

not at all, when a school pays that much to get you to transfer, oh i meant pursuades just kiddin

[nky]

Any school that student has to pay tuition is not like a public school , so make all schools that get tuition play against one another and all public schools that don't get tuition play so you have 2 state tourneys

The majority of schools in Northern Kentucky permit some type of out of district kid to attend and pay tution.
That's one way I guess to avoid Northern Kentucky sportsnicker:

[FBfan4life]

Not when it comes to scholarship $ tuition manipulation. There's so many kids at the parochial schools that don't pay the full tuition it's sickening. It even says in their ads that you shouldn't let money be the deciding factor. How many kids parents are cutting the grass, trimming the bushes, and sweeping the parking lot for a break on the tuition costs? If you're a good athlete, but can't afford to attend the private school, don't worry about it. There's a bingo to run, or some garbage cans to empty. They can work out any deal they want for tuition. Afterall, it's a private school.

It's called financial aid. Families that make less income- wise gets finacial aid and doctors and lawyer kids cannot qualify. Not to mentioned if your not CATHOLIC of CHRISTIAN of faith....you pay more. Athletes or not. If you know that they recruit or get scholarship tuition then you should call the KHSAA..I have their address and phone number.

[FBfan4life]

I don't necessarily think it's wrong. I think if a kid is catholic, or even a non-catholic, and wants to go to a catholic school, it should be allowed with assistance. My problem is that the scholarships/assistance and the like can be used to steer kids to certain schools that the scholarship givers support.
An example, strictly for example purposes, not based on facts, would be something like a kid at St. Mary deciding on Newcath or Brossart. Say he doesn't have a lot of cash. Suddenly he gets the good citizen memorial $1000 scholarship to NewCAth. Now Newcath has an advantage of getting the kid over Brossart. Maybe the scholarship is deserving. Maybe it's because he's 6'9or maybe it's because he runs like a jaguar.

Or maybe he's just a smart kid and wants to further his academics and play for a program that traditionally does well.