[HeGotGame]

The bolded made me literally laugh out loud(football).
Anyway, I don't believe Perry will fade like Knott Co did(1 championship in almost 20 years). Perry has been success every year as a school. Although they haven't won region since 04, they've been in position to the last three years, but let the opportunity slip away. Perry County is the prime destination in the region, and they will always get the best transfers. Also Perry Central has the largest enrollment in the region, so just on that, they will contend for a regional title, year in and year out.


Might not, it's just an awful venue to have a regional tournament at.

1st -Perry's last regional title was 05..that was Al's last 14th region championship with Perry.
2nd. I think Pats was trying to compare schools in general not JUST through sports..

I agree Perry is always competitive, however they haven't won a big tourney in a while.. and that means something too. Also Knott was just like Perry competing for the championship almost every year except a few in 2000-2005 or so..which believe me is a dry dry period..

[Aslan]

1st -Perry's last regional title was 05..that was Al's last 14th region championship with Perry.
2nd. I think Pats was trying to compare schools in general not JUST through sports..

I agree Perry is always competitive, however they haven't won a big tourney in a while.. and that means something too. Also Knott was just like Perry competing for the championship almost every year except a few in 2000-2005 or so..which believe me is a dry dry period..

04-05 season, whatever.
And Perry is competing for titles every year, they've been in the regional finals the last three years. A few bounces go Perry's way in those games, and it could have been a three peat, but "what ifs" will get you nowhere. There's a big difference in completing like Perry is, and being completely irrelevant like some schools are. It may be a dry try in terms of regional championships, but Perry is still winning a lot, and very relevant.

[LOOKAYANNER]

Sorry, you are incorrect. You are using 2010 figures. Knott has well over 700 students, I go to school there. I was told this. I know. Breathitt is a 10-12 school, look on their school website and wikipedia page. 10-12. Their middle school goes through 9th grade now. They allegedly did this to retain their AA class in football.

Half of KHSAA's stadium capacity limits are also incorrect, so I would also question the validity of the information. Sad, too, seeing as they should have that info correct.

2011 enrollments have yet ro be posted on KHSAA. Maybe their enrollments are up, but I also know that Estill and Powell's enrollments have been on a steady rise for years and they are still slightly larger schools than Knott or Breathitt.
Those counties are close enough to the Bluegrass region that they have not seen the losses in population that the mountain coal counties have seen. They've actually seen gains. Their people work in Lexington, Winchester, Mt Sterling, Richmond, etc---all a short drive for them. So most of their people don't have to relocate for jobs.

And Breathitt's enrollment report for the KHSAA is 9-12. Now, maybe they are turning in numbers for 10-12 for football class purposes. But Breathitt's enrollment grades 9-12 is 671. Breathitt's enrollment 10-12 is 501. It's on the KHSAA website and plain to see. You just have to add up their top 3 grades to get the 501 total for the top 3 grades.

When Knott and Breathitt were at their largest enrollment years ago they had around 1200 students. But there has been a mass exodus from the coal counties for the last 20 years. Both schools are barely half the enrollment they once were.

[PATS2011]

2011 enrollments have yet ro be posted on KHSAA. Maybe their enrollments are up, but I also know that Estill and Powell's enrollments have been on a steady rise for years and they are still slightly larger schools than Knott or Breathitt.
Those counties are close enough to the Bluegrass region that they have not seen the losses in population that the mountain coal counties have seen. They've actually seen gains. Their people work in Lexington, Winchester, Mt Sterling, Richmond, etc---all a short drive for them. So most of their people don't have to relocate for jobs.

And Breathitt's enrollment report for the KHSAA is 9-12. Now, maybe they are turning in numbers for 10-12 for football class purposes. But Breathitt's enrollment grades 9-12 is 671. Breathitt's enrollment 10-12 is 501. It's on the KHSAA website and plain to see. You just have to add up their top 3 grades to get the 501 total for the top 3 grades.

When Knott and Breathitt were at their largest enrollment years ago they had around 1200 students. But there has been a mass exodus from the coal counties for the last 20 years. Both schools are barely half the enrollment they once were.

Just look on Breathitt's actual webpage and wikipedia profile, they are 10-12. Sebastian Middle School, Breathitt's feeder school, goes through 9th grade.

But anyway, let's return to the exciting tournament!

[PATS2011]

Speech ain't a sport PATS
The only spots cared about around here are:
Basketball - Since Perry has become a school they have obviously been more successful than Knott.
Football - I don't remember Knott being good in recent memory. Maybe they was good in the 90s, I don't know. Perry's not been great, but we still get around 7 wins a year.
Baseball - Both have been good, but I don't really keep up with baseball to tell you any specifics.

Never said it was :Thumbs:

But it is something that KCC is very good at, one of the best in the state and one of the better programs in the nation (something that no other 14th region school can say about anything).

I was just talking about in general, not just sports. There is so much more to high schools than just sports, no matter how much other people choose to think otherwise in this area.

[PATS2011]

1st -Perry's last regional title was 05..that was Al's last 14th region championship with Perry.
2nd. I think Pats was trying to compare schools in general not JUST through sports..

I agree Perry is always competitive, however they haven't won a big tourney in a while.. and that means something too. Also Knott was just like Perry competing for the championship almost every year except a few in 2000-2005 or so..which believe me is a dry dry period..

AMEN to your whole post.

[PATS2011]

04-05 season, whatever.
And Perry is competing for titles every year, they've been in the regional finals the last three years. A few bounces go Perry's way in those games, and it could have been a three peat, but "what ifs" will get you nowhere. There's a big difference in completing like Perry is, and being completely irrelevant like some schools are. It may be a dry try in terms of regional championships, but Perry is still winning a lot, and very relevant.

Which thankfully KCC and PCC are not in that group.

[LOOKAYANNER]

Just look on Breathitt's actual webpage and wikipedia profile, they are 10-12. Sebastian Middle School, Breathitt's feeder school, goes through 9th grade.

But anyway, let's return to the exciting tournament!

Okay...that might be how they're listed on those sites, and if it is then their high school enrollment (grades 10-12) would be 501.

But I agree, enough of this and back to the 14th region tournament predictions.

I don't know who their opponent will be but Perry Central will be in the final game at Memorial Gym, and my advice is that their team and fans need to make reservations to watch the Commodores in Lexington in a few weeks.

[PATS2011]

That might be how they're listed on those sites, and if it is then their high school enrollment is 501.

But I agree, enough of this and back to the 14th region tournament predictions.

I don't know who their opponent will be but Perry Central will be in the final game at Memorial Gym, and my advice is that their team and fans need to make reservations to watch the Commodores in Lexington in a few weeks.

You know, I think Wolfe Co. will match up better with Perry than most people think. It would take a miracle to win, but with PCC's style of play, sometimes anything is possible. I don't see an upset happening though. However, I wouldn't look over Letcher too quickly, assuming they get by Lee. I could see them potentially pulling an upset there. Tournament time does crazy things to teams...

[LeeCoUKFan]

You know, I think Wolfe Co. will match up better with Perry than most people think. It would take a miracle to win, but with PCC's style of play, sometimes anything is possible. I don't see an upset happening though. However, I wouldn't look over Letcher too quickly, assuming they get by Lee. I could see them potentially pulling an upset there. Tournament time does crazy things to teams...

Thats going to be a very tough task IF they are able to do so. I know since I am from Lee County that is sounds very bias but I think that Lee can win this game just as Letcher Central can if not more.

[king360]

Never said it was :Thumbs:

But it is something that KCC is very good at, one of the best in the state and one of the better programs in the nation (something that no other 14th region school can say about anything).

I was just talking about in general, not just sports. There is so much more to high schools than just sports, no matter how much other people choose to think otherwise in this area.

Perry Central cheerleaders!.lol

[csabo17]

I was just gonna add that. They just placed 7th in the nation 2 weeks ago.

[HeGotGame]

And Clay was 2nd in the Nation, Knott's cheerleaders were number 1 in the region..and Hazard's were number 1 in the region...

Are we really comparing cheerleading squads?

[Aslan]

Why are you guys talking about cheer leading, lol. Also not a sport.

[Commodore_Colonel]

There's a seperate forum for cheerleading guys! lol

[thegr81]

Lol I should have put in football. But that is all you have us on. I'm not going to get in a debate on who has the most successful schools, but in terms of overall success and all-around success, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see which two schools are the most well-rounded. I'll message you some figures, but I'll post one on here just because I found this out the other day at a pep rally. KCC's speech team has won region 21 out of the 36 years they have been a school, and Carr Creek and Hindman won before that. Quite an accomplishment.

As for the 14th region tournament... I'm excited to see how it goes. Not as predictable as some may think... same goes for the girls.

Can't resist: ACT scores!

[ekff]

This entire post is a joke!!!!
Everyone EXCEPT Hazard fans are irritated that they can host region!
It should be 2 places and 2 places only...Knott and Perry..just like the wymt..there is a reason Hazard cannot host the wymt, it is miserable..ALL ASPECTS!

Get Real..... Hazard/Perry, Perry/Knott, or Hazard/Knott are the only games in the region that will have 2000+ people........ BUT SURE HAVE IT AT KNOTT AND PERRY EVER YEAR.... Hazard plays well in both places..... And if its miserable DON"T GO, games will be on the radio.

[thegr81]

I'm not trying to start anything either, just my opinion. And IMO Hatcher is the better coach of the two. I understand Hatcher has had talent as well, of course he has. But look who Al has had. Bowling, Combs, Shepperd, Whitaker, Warren, Jones, and so on. Hatcher's first year at Perry they won what, 12 games? And made it to the finals. Look at this years team. Nobody expected them to win 20 some games and be the best team in the region come tourney time, everyone was picking who? Big Al and Hazard. This is Al's year to really prove what kind of coach he is, so far what has he proved? Not much. That's all I'm saying.

Al has had a great career, I'm not knocking that. He's a hall of famer. My point is I believe Hatcher is the better coach of the two and has done a lot with lesser talent in his years that I've been following him. Back to wait I said earlier, this is big Al's year to see what kind of coach he is. He's got the talent to win the region, but it doesn't look like he's going to.



:Clap:

I still say neither is BETTER than the other. They are completely different in every aspect and both have been fortunate to coach at tradition rich programs with talent.Also sometimes coaching talent isn't as easy as it appears,ask many great coaches and they had rather have 5 players that are smart,hard nosed, and and have a great understanding of the game than a team with 2 great athletes and a handful of talent.

As for what Al has proved,the same that the other 8 teams in this tournament has, they still have a chance to go to RUPP.The bottom line is this both are great coaches and to say either is "not that good of a coach" is untrue.Since PCC became a school they have and always will be one of the top programs in the moutains and like it or not Al Holland is the major reason for this he built this program.Also PCC will always have talent with their size of enrollment.

[EKYHoops]

Can't resist: ACT scores!

Ouch!!!!! Was wondering when the ACT card would be played, took longer than I thought! :lmao::1:

[HeGotGame]

Can't resist: ACT scores!

:notworthy

[Commodore_Colonel]

Get Real..... Hazard/Perry, Perry/Knott, or Hazard/Knott are the only games in the region that will have 2000+ people........ BUT SURE HAVE IT AT KNOTT AND PERRY EVER YEAR.... Hazard plays well in both places..... And if its miserable DON"T GO, games will be on the radio.

Hazard/Perry and Perry/Knott always packs out John C. Combs Arena. According to KHSAA, the capacity is 4,895. I know it's not that big but I will go as far to say that it's a thousand seats more than Memorial Gym.

[KentuckyFan35]

Hazard/Perry and Perry/Knott always packs out John C. Combs Arena. According to KHSAA, the capacity is 4,895. I know it's not that big but I will go as far to say that it's a thousand seats more than Memorial Gym.

Yea, and those last thousand have to park at the county pool or the nursing home. They will also have to sit in the upper section, can you even see the whole floor and score boards from up there?

[HeGotGame]

Yea, and those last thousand have to park at the county pool or the nursing home. They will also have to sit in the upper section, can you even see the whole floor and score boards from up there?

It's obvious that the parking at Perry's gym is the best in the region.. it's not worth starting an argument.

However, the top row of bleachers are not the best, but at least people aren't standing.

[Aslan]

Are we seriously comparing John C. Combs arena and Memorial Gym? The Punkin Palace seats more than twice what Memorial does. And if ya don't get there early for the games tonight, you'll probably have to park near McDonald's, or Pizza Hut. Oh the beauty of region being at Hazard.

[guardtheball]

can someone leave links to any radio stations thay will air the games tonight?

[LeeCoUKFan]

can someone leave links to any radio stations thay will air the games tonight?

Yes, I would like that as well because the way it is looking right now I'm not going to be able to make it to the Lee/Letcher game! :HitWall:

[Strikeout King]

can someone leave links to any radio stations thay will air the games tonight?

Yes, I would like that as well because the way it is looking right now I'm not going to be able to make it to the Lee/Letcher game! :HitWall:

i would also like to know. After 1 Quarter Perry Central Leads Wolfe 12-8 (Update From Nannok)

[Strikeout King]

http://www.wkcb.com/livecast.html

[Benchwarmer]

Can't resist: ACT scores!

ACT score?

[LeeCoUKFan]

http://www.wkcb.com/livecast.html

THANKS Strikeout King! I'm glad you found this because my ride to the game canceled on me! :HitWall: