[Hoot Gibson]

Kentucky's top two or three teams in each class would be competitive with the top teams from similar sized schools in other states in any given year. There are just not as many top teams in the state as there is in Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, and other large "football" states.

[adopted purple]

Don't let door hit you on the bottom on your way out. :moon:

I couldn't agree more. I think high school football in Kentucky is just fine. You would have to be stupid to even ask this question. It's MONEY. So go back to your big states or big dollar programs like Hoover and watch all the football you want. We kinda like our high school football here in little old Kentucky. A better question would be why do we do so well in Basketball. Whats next, why does Kentucky have such poor Hockey teams.

[nptb17]

I ain't making that argument and why is this not one of Trinity's better teams. This team is better offensivly than that 08 team and they are led by under classmen. Alabama has some talented players but like Kentucky only 3 or 4 truely great teams. Also Hoover never lost to Cincinnati St. X. Pratville Alabama did. Hoover lost to Cincinnati Colerain in 2007.

[Hoot Gibson]

I ain't making that argument and why is this not one of Trinity's better teams. This team is better offensivly than that 08 team and they are led by under classmen. Alabama has some talented players but like Kentucky only 3 or 4 truely great teams. Also Hoover never lost to Cincinnati St. X. Pratville Alabama did. Hoover lost to Cincinnati Colerain in 2007.

Nobody has beaten Hoover this season. Nobody has beaten Trinity either but a 5A team that gave them quite a scare has already been eliminated from the playoffs. I think most posters would agree that this is a good Trinity team but it is not on par with some of the great teams of the past.

I believe that if somebody cannot find an enjoyable football game to watch in Kentucky, they need to get a bus ticket to a state where they feel more at home. However, I am not naive enough to believe that Kentucky football reigns supreme over states like Alabama that produce many more top college football prospects year after year.

[nptb17]

Alabama has more football talent than Kentucky. That is a well known fact. There football in Alabama is not better than the football in Kentucky. I have over 400 family members in and around Birmingham and have seen the best in that state. They have been up to Cincinnati so see the best Ohio has to offer. They could see that the football teams in Cincinnati alone was better than anything they've ever seen. Trinity is on par with those Cincy big boys.

[nptb17]

Nobody has beaten Hoover this season. Nobody has beaten Trinity either but a 5A team that gave them quite a scare has already been eliminated from the playoffs. I think most posters would agree that this is a good Trinity team but it is not on par with some of the great teams of the past.

I believe that if somebody cannot find an enjoyable football game to watch in Kentucky, they need to get a bus ticket to a state where they feel more at home. However, I am not naive enough to believe that Kentucky football reigns supreme over states like Alabama that produce many more top college football prospects year after year.

Bowling Green gave them a great game under every circumstance they needed to win. Trinity down 2 quarterbacks was able to defeat Bowling Green in Bowling green. Yet the next week against their rival were able to beat them like they stole something 48 to 0.
Why do you say that this Trinity team isn't on par with the other great Trinity teams. Keep in mind that they haven't have many undefeated seasons this decade.

[OrangenowBlue]

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[Hoot Gibson]

Nobody has beaten Hoover this season. Nobody has beaten Trinity either but a 5A team that gave them quite a scare has already been eliminated from the playoffs. I think most posters would agree that this is a good Trinity team but it is not on par with some of the great teams of the past.

I believe that if somebody cannot find an enjoyable football game to watch in Kentucky, they need to get a bus ticket to a state where they feel more at home. However, I am not naive enough to believe that Kentucky football reigns supreme over states like Alabama that produce many more top college football prospects year after year.

Bowling Green gave them a great game under every circumstance they needed to win. Trinity down 2 quarterbacks was able to defeat Bowling Green in Bowling green. Yet the next week against their rival were able to beat them like they stole something 48 to 0.
Why do you say that this Trinity team isn't on par with the other great Trinity teams. Keep in mind that they haven't have many undefeated seasons this decade.

Just look at the games against out of state competition. Trinity beat Elder at home by 2. Elder lost 5 games this season and is getting ready for basketball. Trinity lost by 7 to Cincy St. X, which has already lost 4 games this season and will finish 6-5 unless they upset Colerain today. Trinity blew out a Lawrence North team from the Indy area that ended its season 2-9. Where is your evidence that this is one of Trinity's best teams? Are you saying that Trinity's best teams cannot compete with Ohio's best teams? Because this Trinity team would be an also-ran in Ohio this season.

[OffensiveGuru]

Man, there are some sensitive folks on here. OK, I admit, this was a bad post. As a former college coach, and player, I know football. It was only my observation, that KY seems to be lagging behind in talent. Of course, there are pockets of talent everywhere. Apologies to anyone whose delicate sensibilities were bruised by my apparently offensive statements. Just wanted opinions from "educated" people. You guys take a chill pill and watch UK.

[OrangenowBlue]

In many cases, coaches and tradition play a big part in the success of football in these states as well as the weather in many cases. I am not trying to be politically incorrect but it would be complete idiocy not to believe that population and demographics play a major role in this talent differential especially the African-American population. Listed below are the states that have been discussed and their African-American population.

African-American Population

California - 2,476,431
Texas - 2,849,976
Florida - 2,903,045
Pennsylvania - 1,322,390
Ohio - 1, 355, 337
Georgia - 2,887,822
Alabama - 1,221,417
Kentucky - 326,391

The differential in this population makes a huge difference.

[BellyJump]

Man, there are some sensitive folks on here. OK, I admit, this was a bad post. As a former college coach, and player, I know football. It was only my observation, that KY seems to be lagging behind in talent. Of course, there are pockets of talent everywhere. Apologies to anyone whose delicate sensibilities were bruised by my apparently offensive statements. Just wanted opinions from "educated" people. You guys take a chill pill and watch UK.

It's called a discussion board. YOu seem like a person who tries to talk down to people and when you get a response, YOU are the one that gets worked up. So continue to watch football today and keep telling yourself you are better than everybody you see. Doesn't take much to coach college football thses days. So carrying that card around doesn't carry much weight.

[nptb17]

Lets take a look at who Cincinnati St. X lost to. First loss of the season to a team from Maryland who had no business beating them unless the quraterback decides to give the game to an opposing team. Their next loss was to Moeller a league rival who everyone that knows football has heard of. Their next loss came to Lasalle, another league rival who had their best season ever only to have it ended in the first round by you guessed it. St X!! And their final loss came to Lakewood St. Edwards the number 1 team in Ohio. No other city in the country plays the football like the city of Cincinnati. As I'm typing two boys from Cincy St X just combined for a FF and FR against South Florida. Cincinnati kids come out of high school ready to play like yesterday.

[OffensiveGuru]

Not worked up at all, not talking down to anyone and I don't think I am better than anyone else. Don't carry a card around and choose not to coach these days. Again, sorry to have offended anyone.

[Hoot Gibson]

Lets take a look at who Cincinnati St. X lost to. First loss of the season to a team from Maryland who had no business beating them unless the quraterback decides to give the game to an opposing team. Their next loss was to Moeller a league rival who everyone that knows football has heard of. Their next loss came to Lasalle, another league rival who had their best season ever only to have it ended in the first round by you guessed it. St X!! And their final loss came to Lakewood St. Edwards the number 1 team in Ohio. No other city in the country plays the football like the city of Cincinnati. As I'm typing two boys from Cincy St X just combined for a FF and FR against South Florida. Cincinnati kids come out of high school ready to play like yesterday.

So? This year's Trinity team would be roughly a .500 team in the GCL but yet you say that they would beat Hoover...not that they are capable of doing so on a good night but they would just flat out beat them.

Trinity's best teams of the past would beat this year's Hoover team and they would beat St. X with no problem. Trinity has a good team this season but most of the games that they won convincingly were won against teams from much smaller schools with much less depth.

[jackbenimble]

How much football have you played?

[adopted purple]

Not worked up at all, not talking down to anyone and I don't think I am better than anyone else. Don't carry a card around and choose not to coach these days. Again, sorry to have offended anyone.

It was a stupid way to introduce yourself to the state of Kentucky no matter where you played or coached. Maybe you could have worded it a little better.

[nptb17]

You obviously know nothing about GCL football. Moeller beat ST. X and Elder but lost to Lasalle. Lasalle beat St. X and Moeller but lost to Elder. Elder lost to St. X and Moeller but beat Lasalle in the final game of the season making Moeller and Lasalle share the GCL crown. GCL is rated the toughest conference in America. Personally I think the MIC out of Indianapolis is better. Trinity is flat out better than Moeller and Elder. IMO they are a better football team the St. X and Lasalle too but St. X has one of the best coaches in the Highschool game and the reason you are starting to see the 3-3-5 defense all over the country. To anwer your question Trinity might be a 500 team in the GCL but that really isn't a bad thing. Also I was unaware that St. X was smaller than Trinity and that they didn't have any depth.

[Hoot Gibson]

You obviously know nothing about GCL football. Moeller beat ST. X and Elder but lost to Lasalle. Lasalle beat St. X and Moeller but lost to Elder. Elder lost to St. X and Moeller but beat Lasalle in the final game of the season making Moeller and Lasalle share the GCL crown. GCL is rated the toughest conference in America. Personally I think the MIC out of Indianapolis is better. Trinity is flat out better than Moeller and Elder. IMO they are a better football team the St. X and Lasalle too but St. X has one of the best coaches in the Highschool game and the reason you are starting to see the 3-3-5 defense all over the country. To anwer your question Trinity might be a 500 team in the GCL but that really isn't a bad thing. Also I was unaware that St. X was smaller than Trinity and that they didn't have any depth.

My point is that Trinity has had some teams that probably would have won the GCL. This is not one of them.

[OffensiveGuru]

Adopted Purple,
Thanks for your input. You are absolutely right.

[nptb17]

I disagree. Having seen all the teams live, I say that Trinity could have won the GCL this year. I'm curious to know what years you think Trinity would have outright won the GCL?

[Hoot Gibson]

I disagree. Having seen all the teams live, I say that Trinity could have won the GCL this year. I'm curious to know what years you think Trinity would have outright won the GCL?

I don't follow Trinity closely but the team that beat Michael Bush's Male team in what was maybe the greatest high school game ever played in Kentucky comes to mind. Is this team as good as that one was? And has Trinity not had some previous teams finish very high in the USA national Top 25 rankings? Were those teams over-ranked or is this one under-ranked?

[nptb17]

Those were two of the best teams in Kentucky history and either of those teams could have won the whole thing in Ohio. I was at that game too. Let me point out that Dixie played Trinity in a really tough game in round 2 and Matt O'toole went heads up with Brian Brohm that game, but I agree they more than likely would have won the GCL that year.

[Hoot Gibson]

Those were two of the best teams in Kentucky history and either of those teams could have won the whole thing in Ohio. I was at that game too. Let me point out that Dixie played Trinity in a really tough game in round 2 and Matt O'toole went heads up with Brian Brohm that game, but I agree they more than likely would have won the GCL that year.

I am not trying to knock Trinity. I think most people in Kentucky would agree that Trinity, Highlands, and St. X are the top three programs in the state. I also agree with you about the Indy teams. I worked in Indy for almost 8 years and they play some great football in that area. Some of those 5A schools have huge enrollments and some of the best coaches in the country. Central Indiana is an under rated area for football, IMO. Anyway, thanks for the lively discussion.

[JHillbilly]

Kentucky is a basketball state. why do you think they lead the nation in all time wins, they got 7 National tittles going on as many as they want, 13 final fours, with 44 SEC championships, 49 NCAA appearances going on as many as they want also, NCAA runner up 3 times, & last but not least 32 elite 8 appearances. No other team in the whole entire world will EVER! match the tradition that UK has in basketball.
Heres some more stats for you pal.
-All time UK teams with 30 wins or more in season-
36 - KENTUCKY, 1948
35 - KENTUCKY, 1997
35 - KENTUCKY, 1998
34 - KENTUCKY, 1947
34 - KENTUCKY, 1996
32 - KENTUCKY, 1949
32 - KENTUCKY, 1951
32 - KENTUCKY, 1986
32 - KENTUCKY, 2003
30 - KENTUCKY, 1978
30 - KENTUCKY, 1993
37 - KENTUCKY, 2009
No team in college basketball history can match this.


So let me ask you a question, How come all those states you mentioned don't have the basketball rep that Kentucky has? haha
Is it because we're in a league of our own?:eyeroll:

[nptb17]

Also Indianapolis has more 6'9 and up people than anywhere I've ever been. I need to know what they eat and drink up there so I can get some to my nephew.

[OffensiveGuru]

This is a football forum. Please dribble back into your court.:moon:

[Hilbily]

This is a ridiculous thread. I live in Oceanside California and our highschool team wins the CIF Championship nearly every season. We are considered a small area by California standards. Still the same thing that happens at Oceanside Highschool happens at Bell Co. The Coach is among the best to take the field in this state as is Dudley Hilton in Ky. The kids are football minded and raised the same as those in every football community. If Bell came here to play Oceanside then they would get smacked down. Why? Because we have a community of nearly 10 times its size and alot more talent to choose from. Other than having numbers in the overall population the only other difference is Culture. I can tell you Culture matters for a fact. In Kentucky i will just say we are sheltered. Now if St.Xavier came here they too would get destroyed but not because of numbers. They would get destroyed because of culture. That is the most direct way to put it and if you do not get it you likely never will.

[RoShamBo]

In many cases, coaches and tradition play a big part in the success of football in these states as well as the weather in many cases. I am not trying to be politically incorrect but it would be complete idiocy not to believe that population and demographics play a major role in this talent differential especially the African-American population. Listed below are the states that have been discussed and their African-American population.

African-American Population

California - 2,476,431
Texas - 2,849,976
Florida - 2,903,045
Pennsylvania - 1,322,390
Ohio - 1, 355, 337
Georgia - 2,887,822
Alabama - 1,221,417
Kentucky - 326,391

The differential in this population makes a huge difference.

I don't understand why no one has responded to this, it is probably the most intelligent post on this entire thread. Nice.

[VikingFan]

I have seen Plano East from Dallas TX play several times....Most would agree that they are a top Texas School,,,and Trinity or X would do fine against them.
I coached at skill camps all around Dallas in the summers during college, and their are 3 advantages they have over us.
1. Their number of players to choose from is crazy. Most kids dont play a down of varsity ball until they are seniors. Only special soph. and Juniors letter before their senior year.
2. The age that fundamentals are taught. In Texas youth football is as big as high school football. We worked 5th and 6th graders like high school kids. Its expected from the community and supported. You dont fight basketball in Texas.
3. More quality coaches. Most high school staffs have 2-3 key coaches and a few others that don't know it, but are learning it and getting better. My experience was The Dallas area had tons of ex college football players every where and it seemed every coach was wearing some kind of Ring,,high school,,college bowl ring...

Hence the early post of population is correct...Larger population means more kids and more qualified coaches...

What we can do is increase the the expectations of our youth coaches.

[Hilbily]

Even more to the point what i meant was there is no lack of talent in Kentucky. A lack of population-diversity and culture' certainly.