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06-01-2010, 01:55 PM
former Wrote:is KY adn TN a rival in football. YES. even thought they have beat us ever since 1983 or 84. it is like 27-0. yes it is a rival.
No it's not. Not to UT. It may be for UK but not UT. Ask UT fans about the Fla's, Ga's, and Bama. We can define a rivalry game in different ways I know, but when it becomes that lopsided it's not a rivalry like it used to be. I'd love to see it be a rivalry again but for now, it's not. Vandy is a bigger rivalry game for UT than UK is right now. They have beaten them lately.
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06-01-2010, 02:07 PM
former Wrote:It is a rival game to a lot of people in TN. One players know about. sorry if Bell is not # 1to us.
It's not about if Bell is the most important to you. Geez....... I think you need to use the word us less and the word me more. I'd like to compare the ticket count between the MS game and the BC game. Makes no sense to me. Relish the win against MS....
06-01-2010, 02:34 PM
Allow me to say that Rock's biggest rivalry right now is Bell County, forget what else is said. I agree with what was said earlier, games have to be won AND lost to have a rivalry. Bell has beaten some very good Rock teams and Rock has beaten some very good Bell teams. That is a rivalry to me.
When you look at the ALL TIME record as being 18-9 in favor to Bell, you think it is domination, but you have to look at the fact that at LEAST 3 or 4 of those losses were for Regional Championships or to have an appearance in the R.C. Madison Southern has a hard time MAKING the playoffs. How many teams can say that they have cost Bell county 2, 3, or 4 Regional Championships? Not many, I could probably count them on one hand.
I would like to say that a team like M.S or Wayne County is Rock's biggest rival because Rock almost always beats them, (never lost to M.S.) but for a rivalry someone has to be beaten. When was the last time Middlesboro beat Bell?
I will say that Knox Central is becoming more of a rival than they used to be because Bell county has been the super-front-runner for the district for 3 or 4 years now. Knox-Rock has been a great fight for a few years now. So I have to say Bell is still the rival.
Not to completely disagree with my fellow Rockcastle fan i have to add something. It is very nice to have complete domination over another team like Southern. The reason it is not a huge game to me is because eventually one of two things are going to happen:
1. Madison Southern WILL win a game someday. It may not be this season, it may not be for 150 years, but one day it will happen. They have some good athletes in Berea, for example Rico Brown is playing at WKU, I am pretty sure.
OR
2. They will fall off the schedule. Remember whenever Rockcastle used to beat KCC by scores like 76-0 65-0, etc.... eventually, they went off the schedule. It may have been redistricting or regional shifts, but either way they are no longer on the schedule, just like Bourbon County.
Those are the reasons Madison Southern is not that important to me. I will say that the fans REALLY come out to the M.S. games though. BUT the crowds are EVEN BIGGER for the Bell-Rock games whenever Bell and Rock fans feel like the game will be good. Rock vs. M.S. is big for school kids and people under 20. Bell vs. Rock is big for the area and die-hard football fans.
When you look at the ALL TIME record as being 18-9 in favor to Bell, you think it is domination, but you have to look at the fact that at LEAST 3 or 4 of those losses were for Regional Championships or to have an appearance in the R.C. Madison Southern has a hard time MAKING the playoffs. How many teams can say that they have cost Bell county 2, 3, or 4 Regional Championships? Not many, I could probably count them on one hand.
I would like to say that a team like M.S or Wayne County is Rock's biggest rival because Rock almost always beats them, (never lost to M.S.) but for a rivalry someone has to be beaten. When was the last time Middlesboro beat Bell?
I will say that Knox Central is becoming more of a rival than they used to be because Bell county has been the super-front-runner for the district for 3 or 4 years now. Knox-Rock has been a great fight for a few years now. So I have to say Bell is still the rival.
Not to completely disagree with my fellow Rockcastle fan i have to add something. It is very nice to have complete domination over another team like Southern. The reason it is not a huge game to me is because eventually one of two things are going to happen:
1. Madison Southern WILL win a game someday. It may not be this season, it may not be for 150 years, but one day it will happen. They have some good athletes in Berea, for example Rico Brown is playing at WKU, I am pretty sure.
OR
2. They will fall off the schedule. Remember whenever Rockcastle used to beat KCC by scores like 76-0 65-0, etc.... eventually, they went off the schedule. It may have been redistricting or regional shifts, but either way they are no longer on the schedule, just like Bourbon County.
Those are the reasons Madison Southern is not that important to me. I will say that the fans REALLY come out to the M.S. games though. BUT the crowds are EVEN BIGGER for the Bell-Rock games whenever Bell and Rock fans feel like the game will be good. Rock vs. M.S. is big for school kids and people under 20. Bell vs. Rock is big for the area and die-hard football fans.
06-01-2010, 02:49 PM
lwc Wrote:Allow me to say that Rock's biggest rivalry right now is Bell County, forget what else is said. I agree with what was said earlier, games have to be won AND lost to have a rivalry. Bell has beaten some very good Rock teams and Rock has beaten some very good Bell teams. That is a rivalry to me.
When you look at the ALL TIME record as being 18-9 in favor to Bell, you think it is domination, but you have to look at the fact that at LEAST 3 or 4 of those losses were for Regional Championships or to have an appearance in the R.C. Madison Southern has a hard time MAKING the playoffs. How many teams can say that they have cost Bell county 2, 3, or 4 Regional Championships? Not many, I could probably count them on one hand.
I would like to say that a team like M.S or Wayne County is Rock's biggest rival because Rock almost always beats them, (never lost to M.S.) but for a rivalry someone has to be beaten. When was the last time Middlesboro beat Bell?
I will say that Knox Central is becoming more of a rival than they used to be because Bell county has been the super-front-runner for the district for 3 or 4 years now. Knox-Rock has been a great fight for a few years now. So I have to say Bell is still the rival.
As always great post lwc.
I understand how there's certain teams you want to beat each year but that doesn't make it a rivalry. As the case is with MS and Rock. I'm certain that both teams want to beat each other. But, the fact is, Rock has won every single game against them. MS coaches, players, and fans cannot say we have a big time rivalry going with Rock. You have to have wins on both sides in order for it to be a rivalry. Rock has dominated that game every year. It might be a border battle (or whatever you want to call it) but it's definitely not a rivalry game.
Bell and Rock= rivalry game. It's been a game that has been circled on each teams schedule for years now. And look at what all was at stake in many of those games. Just like you said, so many determined a regional championship. Great post lwc. Enjoy talking to you.
06-01-2010, 02:52 PM
former Wrote:I agree Knox is becoming more of a rival.
Southern is a rival regardless. Ask coach Saylor.
yeah bell is a rival but so is Southern for the fact they havent beat us.
I will tell you the same thing that I tell Rocket01. Coach Saylor tries to make EVERY game seem important. Whenever a team has been dominated like Wayne and Madison Southern, it is hard for coaches to get the players "pumped up" to win. Tony is a great guy, don't get me wrong but he does whatever he can to get his team ready to play a crap team like M.S.
Tony could care less about the rivalry, as long as Rock wins. I am willing to bet my moderator status that Tony would trade a win over Madison Southern for a win over Bell County.
I like you former, but come on. Both Bell and Madison Southern are very anticipated games every year but for VERY different reasons.
06-01-2010, 02:55 PM
lwc Wrote:I will tell you the same thing that I tell Rocket01. Coach Saylor tries to make EVERY game seem important. Whenever a team has been dominated like Wayne and Madison Southern, it is hard for coaches to get the players "pumped up" to win. Tony is a great guy, don't get me wrong but he does whatever he can to get his team ready to play a crap team like M.S.
Tony could care less about the rivalry, as long as Rock wins. I am willing to bet my moderator status that Tony would trade a win over Madison Southern for a win over Bell County.
And there it is. Just what I was trying to tell former. Go back through the posts and you'll see where I mentioned the win Rock will take any day over any other opponent. Too much at stake not to want that one most! Good job again lwc!
06-01-2010, 02:58 PM
Bell is Rockcastle biggest rival. I dont know how any one from Rockcastle can say any other team is.
06-01-2010, 03:01 PM
easyM Wrote:Not enough. I can say that without any hesitation.
See thats the rivalry kicking in. :redboxer: lol
06-01-2010, 03:03 PM
former Wrote:How many wins does Bell have in a row vs Rock?
I was afraid that you or Rocket01 would bring that up. :please:
What you are implying, whether you mean to or not is that Bell has kicked Rock's butts so much that we have to resort to calling M.S. the biggest rival because we know we will beat them. I hope that is not what you are trying to say. Please tell me if I am wrong, because I hope that I am.
When you are at Las Vegas, you don't win the money by playing it safe, you win it by competing with the big boys and taking some risks. Sure you may lose 4 or 5 hands in a row, but eventually the luck comes back to you. There was a stretch that Rock didn't beat Bell for about 8 or 9 years, but they came back and eventually won 4 out of 5 or 4 out of 6 games. That is a pretty dominant stretch. Good rivalries are like the Rock-Bell ones where teams exchange wins.
Do you realize that the 2008-2010 Bell teams are basically like the 2000-2002 Rockcastle teams? They are dominant! Our turn will come. What does Bell lose after this season? What does Rockcastle return? Think about it, our turn will come fast.
06-01-2010, 03:04 PM
former Wrote:Never mind the above ????
I dont think anyone on the present team has ever beat Bell. Not much of a rivaly to them. Knox is more to them now, especially since we all now know we wont beat Bell this year.
This makes no sense to me whatsoever. Grant it, Knox has gotten better and they push Bell to stay ahead of them. Good teams will do that. But, how can you say what you just said? Do you think the boys on Bell and Rock's team now doesn't know about the past games between the two. They grew up watching them. Johnnyt stated Bell has won 6 in a row. That's nowhere close to twenty some in a row. Everyone knows the Bell/Rock game is a big rivalry game. Is it always close? No. But does one team win 10-15 years in a row? NO!!! And they won't. Look back at the history between the two. Good talking to you guys. I have got to run. Talk to you tomorrow hopefully.
06-01-2010, 06:10 PM
former Wrote:Never mind the above ????
I dont think anyone on the present team has ever beat Bell. Not much of a rivaly to them. Knox is more to them now, especially since we all now know we wont beat Bell this year.
Depends upon the circumstances. Example:
From the mid 70's to the early 80's the Boyle County/Harrodsburg rivalry was pretty fierce. But from '78 through '82 Boyle won each game. (Blanking the Pioneers from '78 to '80) I guarantee that Boyle still wanted to beat Harrodsburg as bad as any team on their schedule (save Danville). Winning 5 in a row didn't make the Rebels not feel a passion to play the Pioneers. :Thumbs:
06-01-2010, 06:16 PM
Hatz Wrote:Depends upon the circumstances. Example:
From the mid 70's to the early 80's the Boyle County/Harrodsburg rivalry was pretty fierce. But from '78 through '82 Boyle won each game. (Blanking the Pioneers from '78 to '80) I guarantee that Boyle still wanted to beat Harrodsburg as bad as any team on their schedule (save Danville). Winning 5 in a row didn't make the Rebels not feel a passion to play the Pioneers. :Thumbs:
Hatz, does Boyle want to beat the new Mercer County as much as they wanted to beat H-Burg? I didn't know if the consolidation helped, hurt or took away from the rivalry.
06-01-2010, 09:21 PM
easyM Wrote:This makes no sense to me whatsoever. Grant it, Knox has gotten better and they push Bell to stay ahead of them. Good teams will do that. But, how can you say what you just said? Do you think the boys on Bell and Rock's team now doesn't know about the past games between the two. They grew up watching them. Johnnyt stated Bell has won 6 in a row. That's nowhere close to twenty some in a row. Everyone knows the Bell/Rock game is a big rivalry game. Is it always close? No. But does one team win 10-15 years in a row? NO!!! And they won't. Look back at the history between the two. Good talking to you guys. I have got to run. Talk to you tomorrow hopefully.
What team has beaten Bell Co twice in the same season?
06-02-2010, 06:49 AM
lwc Wrote:Hatz, does Boyle want to beat the new Mercer County as much as they wanted to beat H-Burg? I didn't know if the consolidation helped, hurt or took away from the rivalry.
Took away. Actually once Alvis Johnson was gone from Harrodsburg the rivalry was gone. The programs were going in opposite direction then.
I might add the fuel to the fire for the two schools was 1976 and 1977.
1976 Boyle upset then #1 ranked Harrodsburg 21-14 on the last play of the game. (Pioneers sported Henry Parks, Venus Meaux, Gus Parks & Nicky Yeast)
1977 Harrodsburg "ran up" the score on Boyle a whopping 60-0. Gus scored 6 TD's and slid in on his knees each time. From that point on it was a war. The next three years the Pioneers never scored on Boyle again.
Those were the motivating factors for almost 10 years for both clubs. That and the coaches.
06-02-2010, 08:13 AM
Hatz Wrote:Took away. Actually once Alvis Johnson was gone from Harrodsburg the rivalry was gone. The programs were going in opposite direction then.
I might add the fuel to the fire for the two schools was 1976 and 1977.
1976 Boyle upset then #1 ranked Harrodsburg 21-14 on the last play of the game. (Pioneers sported Henry Parks, Venus Meaux, Gus Parks & Nicky Yeast)
1977 Harrodsburg "ran up" the score on Boyle a whopping 60-0. Gus scored 6 TD's and slid in on his knees each time. From that point on it was a war. The next three years the Pioneers never scored on Boyle again.
Those were the motivating factors for almost 10 years for both clubs. That and the coaches.
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