12-16-2007, 11:29 PM
I didn't plan on postin anything on this subject, but Tide and couple others have said things that I woulda said. Maybe not in the same fashion, lol, but somethin along the line.
12-17-2007, 01:25 AM
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RammsteinFan92 Wrote:you all think anything besides the bible is the devil.....it's freaking Ridiculus.....lol.........2 John 1:9,10
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9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.
According to God's word, it's pretty plain. If they are teaching a false doctrine, it is not of God, so it has to be of the Devil. It is not ridiculous, it is God's word, maybe one day, you will be Holy Spirit indwelled and study and show yourself approved instead of taking someone else's word for it.
12-17-2007, 01:28 AM
Crossbones Wrote:2 John 1:9,10
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed.
According to God's word, it's pretty plain. If they are teaching a false doctrine, it is not of God, so it has to be of the Devil. It is not ridiculous, it is God's word, maybe one day, you will be Holy Spirit indwelled and study and show yourself approved instead of taking someone else's word for it.
Amen.
12-17-2007, 10:17 PM
After reading through this entire thread I will say it has been interesting, to say the least. A few observations from me:
The way I see it is that religion is culture driven. If an American child from a Christian family had been adopted by a Middle Eastern family as an infant, he would be a Muslim today. That's what his parents and their culture would teach him.
Regardless of what religion is discussed, it all boils down to FAITH. Muslims have to have faith that what Muhammad has said and written is a fact. Christians have to have faith that what Paul and the other Apostles wrote is fact. Jews have to have faith that the Torah is fact. Is Muhammad actually the messenger of God, or did he make it all up? Is Jesus really the Son of God, or is that story an invention of Paul and other Bibical writers? Are the Jews correct in assuming the Messiah has not yet arrived? All religions are built on one's having faith in what they have been exposed to and taught. And faith revolves around where one is born and lives. Indians are Hindu, many people of the orient are Buddahist, Middle Easterners are Muslim...some Jewish and Christian as well.
It's a matter of culture upbringing, what religious doctrines you are taught, and then faith has to take it from there.
Finally, it is ludricous for anyone to say what religion is THE ONE, and which one's are fake. How are any of us to 100% know that? All religions need 3 components to succeed: culture teachings, faith, and fear of the unknown.
The way I see it is that religion is culture driven. If an American child from a Christian family had been adopted by a Middle Eastern family as an infant, he would be a Muslim today. That's what his parents and their culture would teach him.
Regardless of what religion is discussed, it all boils down to FAITH. Muslims have to have faith that what Muhammad has said and written is a fact. Christians have to have faith that what Paul and the other Apostles wrote is fact. Jews have to have faith that the Torah is fact. Is Muhammad actually the messenger of God, or did he make it all up? Is Jesus really the Son of God, or is that story an invention of Paul and other Bibical writers? Are the Jews correct in assuming the Messiah has not yet arrived? All religions are built on one's having faith in what they have been exposed to and taught. And faith revolves around where one is born and lives. Indians are Hindu, many people of the orient are Buddahist, Middle Easterners are Muslim...some Jewish and Christian as well.
It's a matter of culture upbringing, what religious doctrines you are taught, and then faith has to take it from there.
Finally, it is ludricous for anyone to say what religion is THE ONE, and which one's are fake. How are any of us to 100% know that? All religions need 3 components to succeed: culture teachings, faith, and fear of the unknown.
12-17-2007, 11:07 PM
LOOKAYANNER Wrote:After reading through this entire thread I will say it has been interesting, to say the least. A few observations from me:I Totally Absoloutley Agree With You 100%.....you can't debunk a reliegion because nobody can prove theirs is right!
The way I see it is that religion is culture driven. If an American child from a Christian family had been adopted by a Middle Eastern family as an infant, he would be a Muslim today. That's what his parents and their culture would teach him.
Regardless of what religion is discussed, it all boils down to FAITH. Muslims have to have faith that what Muhammad has said and written is a fact. Christians have to have faith that what Paul and the other Apostles wrote is fact. Jews have to have faith that the Torah is fact. Is Muhammad actually the messenger of God, or did he make it all up? Is Jesus really the Son of God, or is that story an invention of Paul and other Bibical writers? Are the Jews correct in assuming the Messiah has not yet arrived? All religions are built on one's having faith in what they have been exposed to and taught. And faith revolves around where one is born and lives. Indians are Hindu, many people of the orient are Buddahist, Middle Easterners are Muslim...some Jewish and Christian as well.
It's a matter of culture upbringing, what religious doctrines you are taught, and then faith has to take it from there.
Finally, it is ludricous for anyone to say what religion is THE ONE, and which one's are fake. How are any of us to 100% know that? All religions need 3 components to succeed: culture teachings, faith, and fear of the unknown.
12-18-2007, 01:09 AM
RammsteinFan92 Wrote:I Totally Absoloutley Agree With You 100%.....you can't debunk a reliegion because nobody can prove theirs is right!puhleeze..try sticking up for their religion when theyre flying airplanes through your
living room..
12-18-2007, 08:37 AM
TidesHoss32 Wrote:puhleeze..try sticking up for their religion when theyre flying airplanes through your
living room..
There are at least some number of "christians" who are willing to blow up clinics where abortions are performed, killing nurses and doctors, and at least one group of "christians" who picket at the funerals of soldiers, saying that "god" is showing judgment. By sticking up for christianity, are you sticking up for them? Or, like most everybody else, do you argue in such a way as to never look in the mirror at your own points of view?
12-18-2007, 09:55 AM
thecavemaster Wrote:There are at least some number of "christians" who are willing to blow up clinics where abortions are performed, killing nurses and doctors, and at least one group of "christians" who picket at the funerals of soldiers, saying that "god" is showing judgment. By sticking up for christianity, are you sticking up for them? Or, like most everybody else, do you argue in such a way as to never look in the mirror at your own points of view?
First of all.... this arguement was flawed from the very start.
Christians blow up abortion clinics because of defending the defenseless. I disagree with it.
But... Islamic terrorists, killing innocent men, women, and children insides of planes and buildings is not a DEFENSE mechanism in action. Its an act of cowardness. Its equal to the abortionists. Killing the weak.
Just because you're not a christian, and have no understanding of Josephus's (the jewish historian who you have no clue about in another thread)... doesn't mean you have to bash christians.
Now... carry on. You're becoming a source of entertainment. :thumpsup:
12-18-2007, 11:56 AM
This has to be one of the most intolerant and ignorant threads I have read.
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