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10-04-2008, 11:33 AM
The Pikeville kids started in December working their butts off in the weight room to prepare for this season. Their weight training takes up four days a week during summer to prepare. Pikeville has hard working, strong, athletes that have put in the necessary time to be successful. The schedule has left the players injured, frustrated everyone froms the fans to the coaches... which then hands that STRAIGHT down to the players. It's a never-ending, scrape yourself off the pavement battle that I hope can be overcome.
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10-04-2008, 11:42 AM
kyrifle Wrote:Let me ask a question. A lot of you have been very outspoken about Copley not being able to do the job thus far with this team. Who would you think could have done a better job winning the games this team has lost? Frankley I don't think Bear Bryant could have helped this team. Corbin is the only team that this team had a shot at beating and they are 6-0 on the season (2-A team). Ashland,5A, is 4-2. Lex Cath 4-A is 3-3, and Belfry,3-A is 5-0 so far and will probably be undefeated on the season. Whoever made this schedule for this year's team set them up to fail. Pikeville is so traditionally rich in winning, it's a hard pill to swallow when you lose. I don't think hiring a new coach after a couple years is the answer. Bottom line is this is not the 80's when every good player in Pike Co was beating down the door to get to go to school there and win a state championship. You have to play within your class or only one class above you to be successfull. You don't have the horses this year to compete on a higher level than class A period. Look, i'm not downing the program by any means, just trying to point out that Hillard Howard is gone and you have to move on and not compare every coach you hire to him or his programs he had there. Give Copley a little time or your program will be like Paintsville's which has had 5 coaches in the last 6 or 7 years. Good luck to you, be patient and win the rest of the games this season.
Nice post, I agree 100%. Bill Music come to JCHS in 1992, We went 0-10 with lots of talent, it took a while but IMO he was the beginning of what this school has come. Pike will suffer for a while but needs to ease the schedule strength.
10-04-2008, 12:33 PM
Pikeville's offense is too predicatable. You can run the ball against betsy layne all game and win...but against teams like belfry you just cant do that. It's amazing how some people get coaching jobs
10-04-2008, 12:40 PM
Eaglewings42 Wrote:Pikeville's offense is too predicatable. You can run the ball against betsy layne all game and win...but against teams like belfry you just cant do that. It's amazing how some people get coaching jobs
I am under the impression that people apply, and the best coaching candidate is picked. That is how people get jobs..
10-04-2008, 01:19 PM
stripminer Wrote:Belfry outnumbered P'ville 4 to 1.
Fall Break and the close game at AC probably hurt the crowd.
10-04-2008, 01:24 PM
jetpilot Wrote:BTW, congrats to Belfry. Their program is a model for what Pikeville needs to be...again.
Belfry has "the horses", Pikeville CLEARLY does not have the talent that they used to. My old coach used to say "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken____." Talent , bodies, depth, experience, all those things make bad coaching look good. Lack of those things make good coaches look bad. I expect them to improve over time, but losing Harmon & Baker will be a HUGE VOID next season. Belfry graduates studs and reloads. There aren't many athletic studs walking the halls at Pikeville these days. That's not being mean, just point-blank honest.
10-04-2008, 01:39 PM
ukbadmammajamma Wrote:Belfry has "the horses", Pikeville CLEARLY does not have the talent that they used to. My old coach used to say "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken____." Talent , bodies, depth, experience, all those things make bad coaching look good. Lack of those things make good coaches look bad. I expect them to improve over time, but losing Harmon & Baker will be a HUGE VOID next season. Belfry graduates studs and reloads. There aren't many athletic studs walking the halls at Pikeville these days. That's not being mean, just point-blank honest.
Bull...if Belfry's coaching staff took over at Pikeville it would be night and day IN THE FIRST YEAR. Put Pikeville's coaching staff side by side with any of the good staffs in the mountains and there is no comparison. Pikeville's kids aren't making good coaches look bad...it's the opposite. And anyone who argues that there just aren't enough athletes at Pikeville to have a great football program are making excuses for the adults or just plain foolish...
10-04-2008, 01:45 PM
jetpilot Wrote:Bull...if Belfry's coaching staff took over at Pikeville it would be night and day IN THE FIRST YEAR. Put Pikeville's coaching staff side by side with any of the good staffs in the mountains and there is no comparison. Pikeville's kids aren't making good coaches look bad...it's the opposite. And anyone who argues that there just aren't enough athletes at Pikeville to have a great football program are making excuses for the adults or just plain foolish...
Who are the Coaches? Besides Copley
10-04-2008, 01:51 PM
Then maybe everyone shouldn't be replaced...
10-04-2008, 01:55 PM
I do not know any of the assistants other than one. Someone told me at the game last night that ther is about 10 of them
10-04-2008, 01:56 PM
UK Wildcat Wrote:So when is the game between the 2 Pvilles? From what i have heard about the pikeville coach, he is just as cocky as some others that i know. Wanting to make a name for himself instead of helping the team. Acting more like a player out for revenge instead of a mature adult Coach!!!
AND WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!:Thumbs:
10-04-2008, 03:33 PM
jetpilot Wrote:Bull...if Belfry's coaching staff took over at Pikeville it would be night and day IN THE FIRST YEAR. Put Pikeville's coaching staff side by side with any of the good staffs in the mountains and there is no comparison. Pikeville's kids aren't making good coaches look bad...it's the opposite. And anyone who argues that there just aren't enough athletes at Pikeville to have a great football program are making excuses for the adults or just plain foolish...
I didn't say the coaching was good or bad. I will say that I can count on one maybe 2 hands the "great male athletes" at PHS. And, a couple of those aren't even playing football. But, I am NOT a parent and I can be OBJECTIVE. Belfry has way more kids to choose from. I also think Steve Spurrier could coach this team and 5-5 would still be the record IF the Panthers beat Paintsville. And, I think they can if they are 100% healthy. Good luck to both teams as they finish out the regular season.
10-04-2008, 04:04 PM
ukbadmammajamma Wrote:I didn't say the coaching was good or bad. I will say that I can count on one maybe 2 hands the "great male athletes" at PHS. And, a couple of those aren't even playing football. But, I am NOT a parent and I can be OBJECTIVE. Belfry has way more kids to choose from. I also think Steve Spurrier could coach this team and 5-5 would still be the record IF the Panthers beat Paintsville. And, I think they can if they are 100% healthy. Good luck to both teams as they finish out the regular season.
I don't know what Spurrier's record would be but I do know the coaching is very poor at Pikeville. And most people would agree with me.
10-04-2008, 05:44 PM
Who is in charge of making the schedule out for Pikeville?????
10-04-2008, 07:20 PM
When the Coach tells the Football Players to not talk to any kids that don't play football what can u expect to many talented kids walking the halls at Pikeville not playing due to the attitudes of some of the Coaching Staff Don't believe me ask some players if they was told this. That is why the # are down.
10-05-2008, 01:43 AM
allseasonfan Wrote:usually up the middle is between tackles
If that's the case, then Belfry ran up the middle all night. Turn the ends out, block down with the tackles, and lead on the backers. On ocasion they would run outside veer and block down with their end and run underneath the defensive end. That's what I was seeing anyway.
10-05-2008, 01:51 AM
kyrifle Wrote:Let me ask a question. A lot of you have been very outspoken about Copley not being able to do the job thus far with this team. Who would you think could have done a better job winning the games this team has lost? Frankley I don't think Bear Bryant could have helped this team. Corbin is the only team that this team had a shot at beating and they are 6-0 on the season (2-A team). Ashland,5A, is 4-2. Lex Cath 4-A is 3-3, and Belfry,3-A is 5-0 so far and will probably be undefeated on the season. Whoever made this schedule for this year's team set them up to fail. Pikeville is so traditionally rich in winning, it's a hard pill to swallow when you lose. I don't think hiring a new coach after a couple years is the answer. Bottom line is this is not the 80's when every good player in Pike Co was beating down the door to get to go to school there and win a state championship. You have to play within your class or only one class above you to be successfull. You don't have the horses this year to compete on a higher level than class A period. Look, i'm not downing the program by any means, just trying to point out that Hillard Howard is gone and you have to move on and not compare every coach you hire to him or his programs he had there. Give Copley a little time or your program will be like Paintsville's which has had 5 coaches in the last 6 or 7 years. Good luck to you, be patient and win the rest of the games this season.
Good post!
Also, when Hillard Howard went to Shelby Valley, how well did they do? You have to have more than just 2 or 3 true football players, and I'm talking about the one's that just love to hit people and try to make the other player look bad in front of everyone.
10-05-2008, 01:55 AM
SportsKing Wrote:Good post!
Also, when Hillard Howard went to Shelby Valley, how well did they do? You have to have more than just 2 or 3 true football players, and I'm talking about the one's that just love to hit people and try to make the other player look bad in front of everyone.
Pikeville has tons of football players.
10-05-2008, 02:12 AM
sportsman Wrote:no surprise. pikeville does the same old up the middle stuff. it doesn't work but they keep doing it. nothing different easy to defend. the program is in for a long dry spell in the future with this coaching mentality.
Did you even watch this game. Pikeville, along with a few other teams sure have a hard time defending Belfry. Of course, Belfry and Pikeville run the exact same offense(normal belly, short belly, outside veer, triple option, with some power and toss thrown in the mix)
However, Belfry likes to fire low off the ball, step to the correct angles, and actually use shoulder pads to hit people. Their blocking backs love to see linebackers trot up in the hole at about quarter speed and stand up, that is when they can get around their defensive linemen that's been knocked back off the ball about 4 or 5 yards.
Defesively, well you got to be willing to hit plain and simple.
10-05-2008, 02:16 AM
stripminer Wrote:Copley needs to go back to Lawrence Co. and take the belly offense with him. The worst play calling I've ever seen in watching 30 years of Pikeville football.
I guess you would rather Pikeville spread it out on offense and throw it around 35 times a game with all the speedy receivers and athletes they have waiting in line!
10-05-2008, 02:23 AM
bucslover68 Wrote:People need to be patient. Pikeville does not have the horses right now. They are so limited with injuries and inexperience. Those plays will look good when there are a lot better and older players running them.
I agree, most of the athletes and football players are in grades 3-6 right now.
Pikeville's little league was neglected for so long, we're seeing the effects now. But, that's all been turned around this year thanks to Copley and his staff.
10-05-2008, 02:28 AM
stripminer Wrote:New coaching staff!!!!! The natives are starting to get restless.
Maybe the natives can help find a few talented natives to play on Friday nights!
10-05-2008, 02:31 AM
allseasonfan Wrote:Coach haywood is a class guy. I would say hecould have scored 70 if he wanted to. Good things happen to good people. He is blessed with lots of talent
I agree, he seems to do the things it takes to have a successful program.
10-05-2008, 02:38 AM
Phoenix Panther Wrote:The Pikeville kids started in December working their butts off in the weight room to prepare for this season. Their weight training takes up four days a week during summer to prepare. Pikeville has hard working, strong, athletes that have put in the necessary time to be successful. The schedule has left the players injured, frustrated everyone froms the fans to the coaches... which then hands that STRAIGHT down to the players. It's a never-ending, scrape yourself off the pavement battle that I hope can be overcome.
Pikeville does have hard working and strong kids, but (other than the freshmen class) only have a couple of athletes.
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