[ComfortEagle]

This team is not classless and the players are not classless.

These kids are only doing what their COACHES tell them to do.

This team has several players that were more than capable to score last night or any Friday night.

Cleary, Mullins, Robinson, Ratliff, McCoy, Maynard to name a few.

I never put the blame on the players. They are doing what they are told to do, what they have been practiced and taught to do. But with that said, there is a certain level of restraint that the coach needs to show.

[Panther Thunder]

What is class? None of the Pikeville coaches or players were doing anything extraciricular. After every TD a PAT was attempt. They ran NO trick plays. They weren't airing it out every play. They didn't take violent hits at anyone. All they did was play football. That simple. When Daniel Harmon and all the other SRs came to play this year this is what they came for, to play football. Not to sit on the sidelines, not to play one half, to play 10+ GAMEs. Is it fair that Daniel Harmon should sit out because someone else's feelings might get hurt? As to my knowledge all of the Panther players showed respect to the South Floyd players. So, I think we need to re-think what class is. Maybe if you want to say that you don't need to make people feel bad about themselves by beating them, then sure, say that. But this is not the Pikeville teams of old. It is a middle-class A school that is just playing football. It isn't their job to worry about other teams. They just need to go out and play the game. HAIL PIKEVILLE!!

[MaroonMonsoon77]

I would also like to reitirate that Daniel only carried the ball TWICE in the second half, which he scored on both plays, hows that his fault that no one could even make a tackle, when he only had 14 carries? The starting Defense played 1 series in the second half, and after Daniel got his 7th TD (5 of which came in the first half) the starting O was taken out, good job Danny.

[ComfortEagle]

What is class? None of the Pikeville coaches or players were doing anything extraciricular. After every TD a PAT was attempt. They ran NO trick plays. They weren't airing it out every play. They didn't take violent hits at anyone. All they did was play football. That simple. When Daniel Harmon and all the other SRs came to play this year this is what they came for, to play football. Not to sit on the sidelines, not to play one half, to play 10+ GAMEs. Is it fair that Daniel Harmon should sit out because someone else's feelings might get hurt? As to my knowledge all of the Panther players showed respect to the South Floyd players. So, I think we need to re-think what class is. Maybe if you want to say that you don't need to make people feel bad about themselves by beating them, then sure, say that. But this is not the Pikeville teams of old. It is a middle-class A school that is just playing football. It isn't their job to worry about other teams. They just need to go out and play the game. HAIL PIKEVILLE!!

Since you asked:


12. excellence; exceptional merit: She's a good performer, but she lacks class.

and if you need a definition for merit:

1. claim to respect and praise; excellence; worth.


Per dictionary.com

I understand that you are trying to justify playing these kids through the 4th quarter by saying they "same to play 10 games, not sit on the sidelines." The fact remains, that Pikeville has been sub-par against decent or better opponents and they are taking out their frustrations/padding their stats by running it up on lesser teams.

When I played, we sat on the sidelines for half of our district games. I did not complain. Is it frustrating as a player? Yes, sometimes it is, but there's also a sense of accomplishment when you go in and dominate a team to the point that you can take a break for the rest of a game.

Those games are also good for building in-game experience for the younger kids. On top of that, they help the starters rest up for next week's game.

If the coaches were not trying to gain respect by graduating an all-state or D-1 player, then this wouldn't be happening. The coaches want Harmon to look like a beast - he can't do that against any other teams (and that's not his fault, it's his line's) so they are taking every opportunity to pad his stats against these teams.

[ComfortEagle]

I would also like to reitirate that Daniel only carried the ball TWICE in the second half, which he scored on both plays, hows that his fault that no one could even make a tackle, when he only had 14 carries? The starting Defense played 1 series in the second half, and after Daniel got his 7th TD (5 of which came in the first half) the starting O was taken out, good job Danny.

Ok, so 5 of the TD's came in the 1st half. Then, since they were trying to help Harmon break the record, why not throw them in there at the start of the 3rd quarter, let him rack up his 2 more TD's and THEN pull them? Why keep them in until the 4th quarter.

Let me ask this question again, would you all be so supportive of this head coach if he would have left Harmon in the game and Harmon got hurt in the 4th quarter? Is that what it would have to take for you all to see that things like this aren't necessary?

[OffTheHook]

What is class? None of the Pikeville coaches or players were doing anything extraciricular. After every TD a PAT was attempt. They ran NO trick plays. They weren't airing it out every play. They didn't take violent hits at anyone. All they did was play football. That simple. When Daniel Harmon and all the other SRs came to play this year this is what they came for, to play football. Not to sit on the sidelines, not to play one half, to play 10+ GAMEs. Is it fair that Daniel Harmon should sit out because someone else's feelings might get hurt? As to my knowledge all of the Panther players showed respect to the South Floyd players. So, I think we need to re-think what class is. Maybe if you want to say that you don't need to make people feel bad about themselves by beating them, then sure, say that. But this is not the Pikeville teams of old. It is a middle-class A school that is just playing football. It isn't their job to worry about other teams. They just need to go out and play the game. HAIL PIKEVILLE!!

You know you are right about the Seniors or any other kid on the team. They want to play as much as possible. They have that mind set of of leave me in coach, give me the ball coach. And no one would expect anything less from any kid on any team. BUT, it is the coach's job to take care of his TEAM first and foremost. When your team is up on a team by 50 points in a game. The coach isn't doing any of the kids any favors by leaving them in. The Head Coach is solely responsible for who is on the field. Of course DH and the others want to play. But, what if he or any of the others you speak of, go down with an injury in a game with a 50 point lead. You don't just jeopardize his season, but the team's season as well. How would you feel knowing that you just cost that kid his last year of football in a meaningless drive, because you didn't stop and think. Come on Panther. I know you and you are smarter than that.
Get those starters out after one series in the 3rd. Preserve you players and your season.

[jetpilot]

I disagree and would like to say that I have been ashamed of my alma matter this season.

Leaving your starters in all the way into the 4th quarter, in a game like this, is inexcusable and classless.

I am ashamed at the lack of respect this program has shown.

When I played, in games like this one, we were out and on the sidelines by the start of the 3rd quarter. Some games, we were out before halftime. But that was when Pikeville HAD class.

What goes around comes around.

I understand that it's the other team's job to stop you, but what happens if you leave Harmon in during the 4th quarter and he gets hurt? What happens if he gets tackled just right and busts up a knee? You just ruined the season of a great player because of your own selfishness. Hey Pikeville, just because Harmon may end up going to a D-1 school or make All-State does NOT mean that you will be considered a "good" coaching staff at the end of the season, especially when everyone is going to see one of the worst football records in the last 2 decades.

Excellent post. Harmon has been banged up the last couple weeks and leaving him in last night was not only beyond dumb, it was insane. I'm ashamed of my alma mater as well, and someone WILL put a 70-0 beatdown on them...maybe then it will dawn on them what class is. I guess they weren't paying attention when Haywood showed what class is last week.

[jetpilot]

BTW, congrats to Harmon on the record. He definitely deserves it. BUT, Pikeville has had about 150 RB's over the years that could have scored 7 TDs in a game if their coaches would have left them in the game.

[jetpilot]

Scores this year:

Pikeville 130, BL/SF 0
Pikeville 43, Allen Central 42
Corbin/Ashland/Lexington Catholic/Belfry 170, Pikeville 49

[PHS95]

I don't think anyone is putting blame on the players, but the coaching staff needs to learn tact, respect, and class. I have a friend in Phelps who used to say they had never played Pikeville that they did not see fresh jerseys after half time. This is not being cute, this is taking the game seriously. He knew that they were not competitive against the panthers, but also knew that they could expect to at least not have the score run up on them. This is not the case now. Howard, McNamee, Allara, Mayo, and even Jackson never took pride in destroying a team that was obviously inferior, they used the second half to gain much-needed game time experience for the second string and even the third string. That is how you win a ball game and BUILD A PROGRAM at the same time. Isn't that the objective here? REBUILD the panther football program, not run it up on weaker district opponents? What are you really proving?

[bucslover68]

This team is not classless and the players are not classless.

These kids are only doing what their COACHES tell them to do.

This team has several players that were more than capable to score last night or any Friday night.

Cleary, Mullins, Robinson, Ratliff, McCoy, Maynard to name a few.

You help me prove what I was going to say without even knowing it. Why weren't these other players getting to score some of the TDs. No starter should be in the game at any time in the second half. I don't care how many carries or series someone plays. Congratulations to Harmon. I have always enjoyed watching him play. I wish he could have played against Belfry. 13 Tds scored against Betsy Layne and SF are hollow statistics. They mean nothing. It would have helped Pikeville football far more for the future for some young kids to play and get some carries. Daniel Harmon is gone after this year, and from the looks of things there is no replacement for him. I don't want to hear any arguments about starters needing work or touches. Hogwash. Play your youngsters and build your program back.

[MaroonMonsoon77]

Ok, so 5 of the TD's came in the 1st half. Then, since they were trying to help Harmon break the record, why not throw them in there at the start of the 3rd quarter, let him rack up his 2 more TD's and THEN pull them? Why keep them in until the 4th quarter.

Let me ask this question again, would you all be so supportive of this head coach if he would have left Harmon in the game and Harmon got hurt in the 4th quarter? Is that what it would have to take for you all to see that things like this aren't necessary?

Well there was a running clock at the beggining of the 3rd, and the first offensive play James Cleary scored (after South Floyd already had a possesion.) South Floyd had another possesion, punted, and the punt was returned for a TD by Taylor Ratliff. South Floyd had another possesion, punted, then Daniel got his 6th. another ensuing SF possesion and punt, next play Daniel got his 7th. Both his 6th and 7th TD (as well as most TD) were in 1 play, so its not like he was a workhorse, the kid only had 14 carries. If there was no running clock he wouldnt of been in during the 4th, but there was.

[jetpilot]

You help me prove what I was going to say without even knowing it. Why weren't these other players getting to score some of the TDs. No starter should be in the game at any time in the second half. I don't care how many carries or series someone plays. Congratulations to Harmon. I have always enjoyed watching him play. I wish he could have played against Belfry. 13 Tds scored against Betsy Layne and SF are hollow statistics. They mean nothing. It would have helped Pikeville football far more for the future for some young kids to play and get some carries. Daniel Harmon is gone after this year, and from the looks of things there is no replacement for him. I don't want to hear any arguments about starters needing work or touches. Hogwash. Play your youngsters and build your program back.

:rockon:

[kranky]

WOW!

Pikeville had those ponies running

[IRISH4]

Well there was a running clock at the beggining of the 3rd, and the first offensive play James Cleary scored (after South Floyd already had a possesion.) South Floyd had another possesion, punted, and the punt was returned for a TD by Taylor Ratliff. South Floyd had another possesion, punted, then Daniel got his 6th. another ensuing SF possesion and punt, next play Daniel got his 7th. Both his 6th and 7th TD (as well as most TD) were in 1 play, so its not like he was a workhorse, the kid only had 14 carries. If there was no running clock he wouldnt of been in during the 4th, but there was.

As many have said, you have to take into consideration the possibility of injuries to your best if you leave them in...especially a blow out like this. Once a 45pt. lead is reached there is a continuous clock....and do you honeslty think a team can score 45pts. on a continuous clock? If you wonder where that rule came in....it probably has a lot to do with padding stats against weaker teams...prime example was back in '00 when Fleming-Neon beat Elkhorn City 92-9...they did the same thing that..from what I've ready...has happend in Pikeville a few times this year.

[SportsKing]

Ok, so 5 of the TD's came in the 1st half. Then, since they were trying to help Harmon break the record, why not throw them in there at the start of the 3rd quarter, let him rack up his 2 more TD's and THEN pull them? Why keep them in until the 4th quarter.

Let me ask this question again, would you all be so supportive of this head coach if he would have left Harmon in the game and Harmon got hurt in the 4th quarter? Is that what it would have to take for you all to see that things like this aren't necessary?

Were you at the game or did you even listen to the game? Pikeville only ran three offensive plays in the third and scored twice, Harmon scored once and Cleary scored the other time. Harmon had tied the school record at that point and the coach let him in on one play and he scored his seventh TD to get the record at Pikeville. Why not be a little more supportive of your old High School instead of always downing them. Copley is the HEAD COACH. You were against him when they were still interviewing candidates and it's obvious that you still don't support him or this team. Why so negative all the time?

[SportsKing]

You help me prove what I was going to say without even knowing it. Why weren't these other players getting to score some of the TDs. No starter should be in the game at any time in the second half. I don't care how many carries or series someone plays. Congratulations to Harmon. I have always enjoyed watching him play. I wish he could have played against Belfry. 13 Tds scored against Betsy Layne and SF are hollow statistics. They mean nothing. It would have helped Pikeville football far more for the future for some young kids to play and get some carries. Daniel Harmon is gone after this year, and from the looks of things there is no replacement for him. I don't want to hear any arguments about starters needing work or touches. Hogwash. Play your youngsters and build your program back.

I don't know, the JV beat Belfry(without their starting QB in the last half) on their home field just a couple days ago and had the lead on Johnson Central with just two minutes to go in the game. The Freshmen got beat by two points in double overtime against JC. Not too bad for a small 1A school. I would say that the future is looking pretty good.

[SportsKing]

Scores this year:

Pikeville 130, BL/SF 0
Pikeville 43, Allen Central 42
[COLOR="Red"]Corbin/Ashland/Lexington Catholic/Belfry 170, Pikeville 49

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Some pretty stout competition, I would have to say.

[EKY Sportster]

Congrats to the Panthers! But it isn't like this is a big surprise!

[jetpilot]

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Some pretty stout competition, I would have to say.

Not competitive, I would have to say.

[jetpilot]

Were you at the game or did you even listen to the game? Pikeville only ran three offensive plays in the third and scored twice, Harmon scored once and Cleary scored the other time. Harmon had tied the school record at that point and the coach let him in on one play and he scored his seventh TD to get the record at Pikeville. Why not be a little more supportive of your old High School instead of always downing them. Copley is the HEAD COACH. You were against him when they were still interviewing candidates and it's obvious that you still don't support him or this team. Why so negative all the time?

You need to memorize post #41.

http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/sho...stcount=41

[51Boy]

He "meaning the thread above" never supported Coach Jackson and his program.. what makes you think he'll support Coach Copley?? we are all entitled to an opinion tho I think both coaches show alot of class! and so does the rest of the coaching staff!!

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

Were you at the game or did you even listen to the game? Pikeville only ran three offensive plays in the third and scored twice, Harmon scored once and Cleary scored the other time. Harmon had tied the school record at that point and the coach let him in on one play and he scored his seventh TD to get the record at Pikeville. Why not be a little more supportive of your old High School instead of always downing them. Copley is the HEAD COACH. You were against him when they were still interviewing candidates and it's obvious that you still don't support him or this team. Why so negative all the time?

Its because hes so stuck in the past he cant understand why Hillard Howard, Bill Allara, and Joe Mahan arent still coaching and why Greg Hackney, Bobby Deramus, Tim Honaker Sr., Jody Brown, and Chris Mcnamee arent running out of the locker room to take the field?

[ComfortEagle]

Its because hes so stuck in the past he cant understand why Hillard Howard, Bill Allara, and Joe Mahan arent still coaching and why Greg Hackney, Bobby Deramus, Tim Honaker Sr., Jody Brown, and Chris Mcnamee arent running out of the locker room to take the field?

Didn't play during any of those eras, but nice try.

Keep your blinders on all you want, but you can't justify keeping starters in just to pad stats.

If I am negative it's because this program is going in the wrong direction and instead of anyone doing anything about it, you just try to come up with excuses for it. And before anyone makes a smart*** comment that I should do something about it; I can't at the moment because I am in another part of the state trying to get a college degree.

Jackson was bad, but Copley is worse and he's showing it. Proof? Look at the record, or better yet, wait until the end of the season and look at the record.

Bad record? You will try to justify it by saying that Pikeville is going up against tough competition, but that's true of almost every year.

[Belfry Wins]

BTW in regards to beating Belfry's JV, it's not quiet the same due to the fact that not all of the true jv plays as Belfry don't play the kids who play a lot of varstiy, as moth teams don't. Plus the factor of Coach Haywood not bening out there takes affect, but enough about that.
But to Pikeville fans, nobody is saying Harmon or any of the plaeyrs are cleassless. Harmon is nothing but character and class.
But the coaches on the other hand, it takes a lot of nerves to do that, plus it's plain stupid.
First you run risk of injury. Second you lean on Harmon way to much and need to develop other players and build for next year. No college or Mr. Football voter is going to looka t Harmons stats and say wow, but instead they will say impressive but look how many came against SF and BL.
Belfry was up 42-0 early in the second quarter Friday night and pulled its starters at that point. Lee ran the ball three times. He could have broken about any record against Magoffin County. But Haywood has class and is smat enough to take his guns out, avoid injury and develop players for depth this year and next year.

[True Big Blue Fan]

Congrats Harmon....he is very deserving of this accomplishment...he is as classy as they come.

harmon is a good player dont get me wrong but how can u say he is as classy as they come when on the firt td run he had friday night he got a flag for taunting

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

Didn't play during any of those eras, but nice try.

Keep your blinders on all you want, but you can't justify keeping starters in just to pad stats.

If I am negative it's because this program is going in the wrong direction and instead of anyone doing anything about it, you just try to come up with excuses for it. And before anyone makes a smart*** comment that I should do something about it; I can't at the moment because I am in another part of the state trying to get a college degree.

Jackson was bad, but Copley is worse and he's showing it. Proof? Look at the record, or better yet, wait until the end of the season and look at the record.

Bad record? You will try to justify it by saying that Pikeville is going up against tough competition, but that's true of almost every year.

Reread my post. I never said you played in that era but you are livin in it. I dont have blinders on and Im not making excuses. What I am doing is trying to stay positive because the boys who play get on here and read this crap that you and some others put on here. Let me ask you this. If you were still playing and you got on here and read about how bad the coaching staff is and how bad the team is and how bad everything supposedly at PHS is right now according to you and Jetpilot. Wouldnt that have a negative effect on how hard you work and how hard you play? You are entitled to youre opinion about our coaching staff and I do respect that and I understand your situation and why you cant get involved but If you cant be part of the solution then at least stop being part of the problem. Its like momma always says "If you dont have anything good to say then dont say anything". These boys who have worked their tails off dont deserve to have people on here whining and crying because the coach they wanted hired didnt get the job under the guise of "being an alumnist and concerned about the program". And lets be honest thats what it really is with you IMO.

[MaroonMonsoon77]

harmon is a good player dont get me wrong but how can u say he is as classy as they come when on the firt td run he had friday night he got a flag for taunting

He spiked the ball. How was that taunting? He ran into the endzone and threw the ball down, he didnt turn to any SF payers and throw it down in their faces, he just spiked the ball, its finally good to see a player have some emotion, thats what the game is about.

[ComfortEagle]

Reread my post. I never said you played in that era but you are livin in it. I dont have blinders on and Im not making excuses. What I am doing is trying to stay positive because the boys who play get on here and read this crap that you and some others put on here. Let me ask you this. If you were still playing and you got on here and read about how bad the coaching staff is and how bad the team is and how bad everything supposedly at PHS is right now according to you and Jetpilot. Wouldnt that have a negative effect on how hard you work and how hard you play? You are entitled to youre opinion about our coaching staff and I do respect that and I understand your situation and why you cant get involved but If you cant be part of the solution then at least stop being part of the problem. Its like momma always says "If you dont have anything good to say then dont say anything". These boys who have worked their tails off dont deserve to have people on here whining and crying because the coach they wanted hired didnt get the job under the guise of "being an alumnist and concerned about the program". And lets be honest thats what it really is with you IMO.

I have no particular coach in mind, so I'm not sure how you can say I'm upset that the coach I wanted didn't get hired. I was not supporting any specific coach to get the position, but I know that Pikeville could have done better.

To me, it seems they took the easy way out and just hired a guy that was already there. Not to mention the fact that Pikeville ran off a perfectly good coach a few years ago. Why did they run him off? Because he wasn't winning state championships. Has Pikeville done any better with these last two coaches? No, they've done the same or worse.

I am not putting down any of the players. They work hard and should continue to work hard. But they are not being taught even some of the simplest aspects of the game, such as sportsmanship. And just to clarify, I am not saying the Pikeville players are being unsportsmanlike, I am saying that when their coach doesn't show it, that will eventually trickle down to the rest of the team. Just because the game is football and you get to hit people, doesn't mean that things like class and sportsmanship shouldn't be taught or modeled.

This is a discussion forum. People are entitled (within the rules) to get on here and voice their opinions. If someone else's opinion is going to dishearten a player then they should stop getting on here and reading what you call "crap." If they are not mature enough to take criticism and turn it into something constructive, then that right there is another thing these kids need to be taught. This is NOT the "everyone support Pikeville football forum and only talk about the good things" site. We are all entitled to our opinions and again, can voice them as long as it is within the rules of the site. It is my opinion that the football program is going in the wrong direction, at no fault of the players.

To answer your question, no, reading things on here would not have a negative effect. It should make you work harder to improve. Should the kids fold up when they get booed at an opponents field? Do they get disheartened and "negative" when they get heckled? Nope, they take that and use it.

I don't feel I'm being part of the problem. What is the problem exactly? Are you saying that since people are criticizing Pikeville for poor choices that's what's causing the troubles? Hardly, we are seeing these things and offering up our two cents on them. I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid. Criticizing the way the program is being run is not "part of the problem." But trying to avoid problems with the program and then turning it around and putting the blame on those of who are voicing our opinions, is turning a blind eye to the real situation.

[kyrifle]

I think a lot of Pikeville fans are ready to put the blame on the coach because they have a losing record right now. I don't think it matters who the coach would be with the schedule they have played. This schedule is one of the toughest that any Pikeville team has played in any era. This isn't the first year that Pikeville fans have failed to support their teams. I've noticed the last 10 years that the home crowds have been much smaller, although I haven't seen all the home games. If you're going to blame someone for the season you're having, blame whoever made this monsterous schedule. I think Pikeville will win it's district and go into the 3rd round of the playoffs.
Support your team and head coach.