[Shogun]

It's now gone from war plans to not war plans but classified, from classified to not classified but sensitive, now to controlled unclassified whatever the hell that is. It's not a nothing burger but it is time to learn from it and move on. But of course the Dems won't because it's all they got; they can't talk about their policies because the vast majority of the population hates them.

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

That's fine I was just trying to explain how the classifications work. DoDM 5200.45 is the governing guideline for classifications if you're interested.

I'm not a Democrat so the what-aboutisms don't really mean anything to me and they shouldn't really have anything to do with this situation. For what it's worth I'm a GWOT veteran and I don't think you'll find many if any of us that will say things like Benghazi or the Afghanistan withdrawal were no big deal. This is definitely not a nothing burger though and the administration should take this one on the chin and fix it. The initial leaks weren't really a problem for me, but this one is the one that is a problem. These are details that should have been at least at the Secret level, and the "We are currently clean on OPSEC" comment when an unauthorized person was in the chat group is just amazing.
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[Hoot Gibson]

It's now gone from war plans to not war plans but classified, from classified to not classified but sensitive, now to controlled unclassified whatever the hell that is. It's not a nothing burger but it is time to learn from it and move on. But of course the Dems won't because it's all they got; they can't talk about their policies because the vast majority of the population hates them.

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

Also, there has to be a better way to control who is in the chat than "Hey, somebody tag JG."

There is a better way. In Teams, you can create a team, and then select its members. Nobody who is not a member can access the chats or documents that the team uploads to the server. As long as you do not discuss classified information or upload classified documents, there is no security issue. Everything is encrypted.

If there is "spillage" of classified material onto devices or servers connected to the NIPR network, then those devices are usually wiped clean and reimaged. The rules are simple, don't open classified documents, don't delete them, and don't copy them. Report the spillage and let someone else deal with with the issue.

I've had spillage reported to me a couple of times and I was very careful to report the incidents up through the chain of command and avoid opening any files containing classified material. It's no fun to lose all your data from your laptop as part of a spillage cleanup.

[Shogun]

It's now gone from war plans to not war plans but classified, from classified to not classified but sensitive, now to controlled unclassified whatever the hell that is. It's not a nothing burger but it is time to learn from it and move on. But of course the Dems won't because it's all they got; they can't talk about their policies because the vast majority of the population hates them.

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

Also, there has to be a better way to control who is in the chat than "Hey, somebody tag JG."

There is a better way. In Teams, you can create a team, and then select its members. Nobody who is not a member can access the chats or documents that the team uploads to the server. As long as you do not discuss classified information or upload classified documents, there is no security issue. Everything is encrypted.

If there is "spillage" of classified material onto devices or servers connected to the NIPR network, then those devices are usually wiped clean and reimaged. The rules are simple, don't open classified documents, don't delete them, and don't copy them. Report the spillage and let someone else deal with with the issue.

I've had spillage reported to me a couple of times and I was very careful to report the incidents up through the chain of command and avoid opening any files containing classified material. It's no fun to lose all your data from your laptop as part of a spillage cleanup.

Yeah I've been in a few briefings where some poor bastard will walk into the SCIF forgetting that their cellphone is in their pocket. By the time they realize, it's too late and their phone gets destroyed. Also had to deal with a troop who thought it was a good idea to plug his cellphone into his NIPR computer's USB port to charge it. 5 minutes later Cyber is calling and everyone in the office's day is ruined.

[TD Hounds]

It's now gone from war plans to not war plans but classified, from classified to not classified but sensitive, now to controlled unclassified whatever the hell that is. It's not a nothing burger but it is time to learn from it and move on. But of course the Dems won't because it's all they got; they can't talk about their policies because the vast majority of the population hates them.

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

Also, there has to be a better way to control who is in the chat than "Hey, somebody tag JG."

There is a better way. In Teams, you can create a team, and then select its members. Nobody who is not a member can access the chats or documents that the team uploads to the server. As long as you do not discuss classified information or upload classified documents, there is no security issue. Everything is encrypted.

If there is "spillage" of classified material onto devices or servers connected to the NIPR network, then those devices are usually wiped clean and reimaged. The rules are simple, don't open classified documents, don't delete them, and don't copy them. Report the spillage and let someone else deal with with the issue.

I've had spillage reported to me a couple of times and I was very careful to report the incidents up through the chain of command and avoid opening any files containing classified material. It's no fun to lose all your data from your laptop as part of a spillage cleanup.

Yeah I've been in a few briefings where some poor bastard will walk into the SCIF forgetting that their cellphone is in their pocket. By the time they realize, it's too late and their phone gets destroyed. Also had to deal with a troop who thought it was a good idea to plug his cellphone into his NIPR computer's USB port to charge it. 5 minutes later Cyber is calling and everyone in the office's day is ruined.

Thank You and Hoot for your continued service to our country, not sure either of you hear that as much as you should…

[Hoot Gibson]

What was discussed was definitely "war plans" and should have been classified, probably to a secret level. Controlled Unclassified Information is just information that has not been classified but still must be protected. The fact that senior officials in our government use the Signal app for communication would technically be Controlled Unclassified Information because adversaries could use that information to infiltrate state discussions. "War plans" is just what the media is throwing out because that's basically what they were and I guess it sounds sexier than operations briefings. Classified is what they should have been, and then there are levels to classification based on the potential for damage caused to equipment, personnel, or operations. The fact that senior US officials use the signal app for communication is, in my opinion, not a big deal, but it all comes down to the information being shared on there. Yes it is encrypted and the messages on it are not stored anywhere and eventually deleted (which is a completely separate, potential FOIA issue), but it is not US government controlled and as we have seen over the past few days can easily be compromised by simply adding an approved user to a group.

I stopped reading after that, now we're all the way down to "should have" and "probably to" lol...




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So, let’s me get this straight. The Atlantic released the so-called “war plans” and those “plans” include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information.

Those are some really shitty war plans.

This only proves one thing: Jeff Goldberg has never seen a war plan or an “attack plan” (as he now calls it). Not even close.

As I type this, my team and I are traveling the INDOPACOM region, meeting w/ Commanders (the guys who make REAL “war plans”) and talking to troops.

We will continue to do our job, while the media does what it does best: peddle hoaxes.

Also, there has to be a better way to control who is in the chat than "Hey, somebody tag JG."

There is a better way. In Teams, you can create a team, and then select its members. Nobody who is not a member can access the chats or documents that the team uploads to the server. As long as you do not discuss classified information or upload classified documents, there is no security issue. Everything is encrypted.

If there is "spillage" of classified material onto devices or servers connected to the NIPR network, then those devices are usually wiped clean and reimaged. The rules are simple, don't open classified documents, don't delete them, and don't copy them. Report the spillage and let someone else deal with with the issue.

I've had spillage reported to me a couple of times and I was very careful to report the incidents up through the chain of command and avoid opening any files containing classified material. It's no fun to lose all your data from your laptop as part of a spillage cleanup.

Yeah I've been in a few briefings where some poor bastard will walk into the SCIF forgetting that their cellphone is in their pocket. By the time they realize, it's too late and their phone gets destroyed. Also had to deal with a troop who thought it was a good idea to plug his cellphone into his NIPR computer's USB port to charge it. 5 minutes later Cyber is calling and everyone in the office's day is ruined.

Thank You and Hoot for your continued service to our country, not sure either of you hear that as much as you should…

Just to be clear, I have not served in our military. I have had the privilege of actively working in support of our men and women in uniform for the past 15 years, but I am in no more danger  of dying in battle than anybody else who lives near Washington, DC.

I have nothing but respect for those who have been deployed to war zones and for those who are willing to deploy on a moment's notice.

[TheRealThing]

I served during the Vietnam War Era in Spain, Italy, Germany, Thailand, Korea, and Vietnam, among others. I have a West Pointer friend who rather recently retired from the Army, and who tells me the state of readiness of the US Armed Services has deteriorated substantially from its once lofty heights.

Somewhere between the 'woke' and the braindead mommas boys lies what is left of the US battle tested  fighting force. Pete Hegseth is a good man and a good soldier who has been been nominated and confirmed to his cabinet post in order to try and-right-the-ship. And though capable, he has a big job to do. His detractors, whether they be the trolls who frequent this forum to find their imagined relevance or DC Democrats; (shocker) are being completely dishonest for purely political purposes. 

Military readiness to them means in time of war we will just email Xi an order for nuclear subs, tanks and aircraft carriers. Oh and let's not forget ammunition. But hey, not to worry. If China's fleet shows up on our doorstep we'll just send out Bill Maher Whoopie Goldberg and General Milley to talk to them.