Whats Wrong With Kentucky Boys?

01-03-2007, 11:45 PM

firetubbyplease! Wrote:Patrick Sparks????????????????????????

Sparks Transfered to UK....Also when Rondo or Bradley did summin wrong, Tubby didnt do anything, If Sparks did the samething he gets jerked out of the game...Orbziut, Alleyene or whatever his name was, Even Carter....Get sum boys out of Eastern KY that can shoot the 3 ball

~~Old school Dawg~~ · 01-04-2007, 12:36 AM

Super_de Wrote:but why would you post something about college coaches in a high school thread?

Come on were a bunch of jocks not rocket scientists give him a break,,rules rules that is why I cant stand bluegrass preps message boards and like this one better they have rules but give a guy a break.

01-04-2007, 12:48 AM

Yea all I said was whats wrong with KY High School boys

**BlackcatAlum** · 01-04-2007, 01:18 AM

The only player from Kentucky that UK is recruiting is the kid @ Mason Co. and he is just a junior. I agree with every post except for the ones that say Ky boys are better than Ramel Bradley. Ramel can shoot the lights out! He can fly with the ball and make good decisions on fast breaks. If theres anyone in EKY that has the chance at playing at UK than its Stepp at JBS, or Justice at SV, but he is just a Freshman with a bright future. In middle school I always thought that Landon may goto UK or get some kind of D1 scholorship but hasnt played that dominate in HS to play at that level, even though Paintsville does play some really talented teams. But theres alot of EKY teams that I havnt seen yet.

01-04-2007, 01:24 AM

Bradley prob can shoot the lights out if hes in a room with no lights...lol gaww what a joke

~~Survivor~~ · 01-04-2007, 01:47 AM

blackcat_student Wrote:The only player from Kentucky that UK is recruiting is the kid @ Mason Co. and he is just a junior. I agree with every post except for the ones that say Ky boys are better than Ramel Bradley. Ramel can shoot the lights out! He can fly with the ball and make good decisions on fast breaks. If theres anyone in EKY that has the chance at playing at UK than its Stepp at JBS, or Justice at SV, but he is just a Freshman with a bright future. In middle school I always thought that Landon may goto UK or get some kind of D1 scholorship but hasnt played that dominate in HS to play at that level, even though Paintsville does play some really talented teams. But theres alot of EKY teams that I havnt seen yet.

Stepp, Justice are you DRUNK!

Doc Holliday · 01-04-2007, 03:07 AM

Traditionally Eastern Kentucky boys have one major drawback.

They dont stick!!!!

For the uninformed the perception of many Ky players is that they were a Big fish in a little pond. Then when they go to a school where they actually have to compete they dont "stick" it out.

There is a long list of Ky players in all sports of not hacking it on the college level. They transfer to smaller closer schools.

Im not saying that its true but that is the way many college coachs feel.

StrikeoutKing · 01-04-2007, 11:43 AM

It may just be me, but whenever I see a recruit on TV from a city like New York, Detroit, Los Angeles, or some other large city area, the only thing they know how to do is dribble and penitrate. And that's not a bad thing. I mean, it most cases it opens up the outside. But they need to be more team oriented. To me, the "sharp shooters" come from small towns, or in rare cases, smaller cities. Larry Bird from French Lick, Indiana, Chris Lofton from Maysville, Kentucky, and J.J. Reddick from Cookeville, Tennessee. I know it's hard to have Lofton and Reddick in the same category with Bird, but I think you all see my point. Just because you're not a big city street baller doesn't mean you don't have game. UK football has gotten the last 2 Mr. Footballs and look how the prgram has turned around. I think Tubby Smith is a great coach, but I just hope he'd look more within the Bluegrass for some talent, because when it comes to High School basketball, I don't think it gets much better.

Johnny Fairplay · 01-04-2007, 01:18 PM

I do think Tubby should put more effort in getting the best 2-3 players in this state every year or at least Mr. Basketball. If Tubby ever went to a State Tourny in Rupp he would see what basketball means in this state. The high school tourney draws a hug crowd every year. I agree that I don't think Pitino would have either except when hoo got the job UK was put on Probation and all the great stars left to get their own. The only players to stay were the Big Blue faithful, KY Boys and looked what happened. I would rather coach kids with a little less talent, great heart and determination over pure talent any time. These types of kids are coachable and want to learn they don't think they already know it all and just need some practice for the NBA. As for Lofton, I hope he continues to play well, he wasn't recruited by UK or UofL. I think Tennessee loves KY boys, Houston and Lofton are 2 of the best players to ever play at UT.

01-04-2007, 01:46 PM

Goodpoint, Also If a KY boy graduates from UK, then most likely hes gonna stay in the State with that diaploma instead of him going back to Europe or Russia or where ever these players are from

**jammin' jamey** · 01-04-2007, 02:01 PM

Doc Holliday Wrote:Traditionally Eastern Kentucky boys have one major drawback.

They dont stick!!!!

For the uninformed the perception of many Ky players is that they were a Big fish in a little pond. Then when they go to a school where they actually have to compete they dont "stick" it out.

There is a long list of Ky players in all sports of not hacking it on the college level. They transfer to smaller closer schools.

Im not saying that its true but that is the way many college coachs feel.

Good point!

Big Dirty #4 · 01-04-2007, 05:03 PM

Maybe Chris Lofton will prove a lesson to Tubby. Tubby over looked him and now he's a star in Tennessee. Maybe it will come back to haunt him, if Tennessee beats Kentucky out in the SEC this year

**BC75** · 01-04-2007, 05:42 PM

Doc Holliday Wrote:Traditionally Eastern Kentucky boys have one major drawback.

They dont stick!!!!

For the uninformed the perception of many Ky players is that they were a Big fish in a little pond. Then when they go to a school where they actually have to compete they dont "stick" it out.

There is a long list of Ky players in all sports of not hacking it on the college level. They transfer to smaller closer schools.

Im not saying that its true but that is the way many college coachs feel.

I'll second that, I know a long list, myself included. But with my expierience, college was no where near as fun as high school.

J. R. VanHoose · 01-04-2007, 05:54 PM

When Tubby Smith recruited me he told me they would like for me to wait and sign in the spring so that they could "evaluate" me a little more and decide on me then. At the time my final three schools were Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, and Marshall. They wanted me then not later and I told him that, he said that was fine, but if I was still interested later I could possibly "Walk-On." Then he signed that guy from Utah who stayed one year then transfered, Nate something!! Oh well, I am not the biggest Tubby fan anyway!!

**TidesHoss32** · 01-04-2007, 07:06 PM

there is no doubt in my mind, and there was never any doubt in my mind that you could have played and started for Kentucky. You proved that by the way you played at Marshall...let Tubby recruit who he wants to recruit, eventually it will sink him. Maybe not now, but eventually it will. The SEC wasnt as strong then when he first started at UK as it is now, and while the SEC has gotten stronger, Kentucky has NOT. But be proud of what you accomplished at Marshall, you have every right to be.:thumpsup:

J. R. VanHoose Wrote:When Tubby Smith recruited me he told me they would like for me to wait and sign in the spring so that they could "evaluate" me a little more and decide on me then. At the time my final three schools were Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, and Marshall. They wanted me then not later and I told him that, he said that was fine, but if I was still interested later I could possibly "Walk-On." Then he signed that guy from Utah who stayed one year then transfered, Nate something!! Oh well, I am not the biggest Tubby fan anyway!!

formerallamerican11 · 01-04-2007, 08:19 PM

I can't stand Tubby never will. He can't recruit at all. Someone said Bradley can shoot the lights out of it, I could out shoot him and someone else said Lofton could not play for Tubby because he takes 20 shots. Well look at the two and see who has the better stats. Bradley is a punk. Him and Crawford, who is a joker to were 7 of 26 or something like that last night against Houston and Clyde wasn't playing. I wouldn't trade Lofton for Bradley and Crawford. As for the players Pitino and Tubby recruited from Kentucky. Here are some of the signees.

Tubby- Todd Tackett, Josh Carrier, Jared Carter, Brandon Stockton, J.P. Blevins, Marquis Estill his best signee from Ky. Walk-ons Matt Heisenbuttel or something like that, Lemaster, Ravi Moss.

I'll name 5 for Rick
Scott Padgent
Anthoney Epps
Travis Ford
Derrick Anderson Transfer
Cameron Mills Walk-on

I'll take those five over any player Tubby has recruited from KY.

Tubby will bury himself just like Tide Hoss said.

**alfus21** · 01-04-2007, 08:51 PM

What's wrong with Kentucky Boys?

How about level of competition for one? In large cities these guys are more used to playing a faster more competitive game against good D1 athletes.

It's common sense guys. Kentucky players aren't as good as players from large cities. There's probably more guys that go D1 in one city like NY than go D1 in the entire state of Kentucky.

They're more athletic, can run the floor better, can jump higher, are overall bigger, and have played more competition.

With the excepetion of Lofton at Tennessee how many players since him have done anything at the D1 level from Kentucky compared to these guys from New York.

What's wrong with Kentucky boys? Nothing at a small level, but at D1 level there is a lack of competitivness.

01-04-2007, 08:59 PM

Kentucky Player are as good as City Players...Some are some aren't

str8 ripp'n · 01-04-2007, 11:30 PM

Great post. I couldn't agree more formerallamerican11. Every year ky basketball keeps getting worse. Their recruiting sucks. Last year they had three 7' guys that could not even make a lay up. I would take Ford or Epps over either of them.

01-04-2007, 11:32 PM

Oh yeah good points....Go to the College threads on here...Topic is if Tubby is a good coach...Alot of ppl responding to it

**alfus21** · 01-04-2007, 11:55 PM

$MoNeY$ Wrote:Kentucky Player are as good as City Players...Sum are Sum isnt

Sum?

Kentucky players are NOT as good. Explain to me why no other D1 colleges take them along with Tubby or Rick. They're not as good or they would be going to D1 schools all over the country.

With the exception of 2 or 3 players per year no others deserve a shot at D1.

If they did, then other D1 schools would come in and get them.

In large cities, the talent level is higher, work ethic is harder, and competition is better.

01-04-2007, 11:57 PM

Its not that there that much better its just no one will give them a chance...I agree wit ya that there only 2 or 3 that goes and thats it

**alfus21** · 01-05-2007, 12:02 AM

$MoNeY$ Wrote:Its not that there that much better its just no one will give them a chance...I agree wit ya that there only 2 or 3 that goes and thats it

Yeah, but people don't give them a chance for a reason. It is good to see Lofton turn out like he did but it's just too risky to take a Kentucky player that doesn't face stiff competition year in and year out.

01-05-2007, 12:05 AM

Alot of players do, More here in Lexington than in Eastern Ky but still If u put sum of those players on a good team where they dont have to do it all themselves then they might actually be better than ya think

twentythree · 01-05-2007, 01:02 AM

Kentucky basketball is getting brighter but why compare a player like Stepp with Ramel...there are plenty of D1 schools that would love to have Bradley on their team and I imagine he would be a little more sought after than Stepp...I personally do not blame Tubby for not even looking Eastern KY's way when it comes to finding prospects...it's few and far between but in Lexington and Louisville their may be some gems but they would be classified as "City Boys" as well....basketball in the bluegrass is far less competitive in this state and we just have to accept the fact that a majority of our UK players are from around the country...

01-05-2007, 01:04 AM

All Bradley can do is Run fast...Hes not a true gaurd, He cant shoot...If anyone was good they wouldnt go to UK...

**OffTheHook** · 01-05-2007, 01:19 AM

twentythree Wrote:Kentucky basketball is getting brighter but why compare a player like Stepp with Ramel...there are plenty of D1 schools that would love to have Bradley on their team and I imagine he would be a little more sought after than Stepp...I personally do not blame Tubby for not even looking Eastern KY's way when it comes to finding prospects...it's few and far between but in Lexington and Louisville their may be some gems but they would be classified as "City Boys" as well....basketball in the bluegrass is far less competitive in this state and we just have to accept the fact that a majority of our UK players are from around the country...

Tell that to all the out of state teams that came to the Tigers Hoops Classic and left with losses to all the KY teams! Yeah I know a TN team won it. But, they didn't leave here with out a loss to a KY team (Paintsville). Tell that to the teams that the Tigers beat in FL. Not saying that the Tigers are world beaters. But they have beat a few along with SV and some others. So that line is worthless to me. It's all about pride and respect. Something the BIG CITY boys don't have for that blue uni they put on.

01-05-2007, 01:20 AM

OffTheHook Wrote:Tell that to all the out of state teams that came to the Tigers Hoops Classic and left with losses to all the KY teams! Yeah I know a TN team won it. But, they didn't leave here with out a loss to a KY team (Paintsville). Tell that to the teams that the Tigers beat in FL. Not saying that the Tigers are world beaters. But they have beat a few along with SV and some others. So that line is worthless to me. It's all about pride and respect. Something the BIG CITY boys don't have for that blue uni they put on.

Yea Scott County went to Mrytle Beach and Won 3 games out of 4

twentythree · 01-05-2007, 01:32 AM

Oh so i assume that Paintsville played the most powerhouse teams from across the state right??...face it Kentucky as a whole is not FLOODED w/ talent if you compare to other states...just because Paintsville or Shelby Valley beat a team from another state it doesn't mean Kentucky AS A WHOLE could compare with some other states...Sheldon Clark beat Cannon County from Tennessee so therefore Kentucky high school basketball dwarfs that of Tennessee's...

01-05-2007, 02:39 AM

twentythree Wrote:Oh so i assume that Paintsville played the most powerhouse teams from across the state right??...face it Kentucky as a whole is not FLOODED w/ talent if you compare to other states...just because Paintsville or Shelby Valley beat a team from another state it doesn't mean Kentucky AS A WHOLE could compare with some other states...Sheldon Clark beat Cannon County from Tennessee so therefore Kentucky high school basketball dwarfs that of Tennessee's...

Thats True...But also Teams in lexington play teams from out of State and JBS and Hazard plays Lexington teams