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^^^Barnes has won more games than Calipari the last 6 years and the two teams are 5-5 the last 10 games so there is that...

Calipari has been to six Final Fours, Barnes has lucked into one while essentially playing at home and beating a five and seven seed to get there.

There's no comparing the overall success that each has had throughout their career.

I don’t care about what Cal did 10 years ago. I’ll repeat it for you. Barnes has won more games than Cal the last 6 years and the teams are 5-5 over the last 10 games. That means the guy you guys say is no good has his UT program AT THE SAME LEVEL OR HIGHER THAN CAL’S UK program AS OF NOW.

SUBPAR, MEDIOCRE, UNACCEPTABLE

My point was that I think Rick Barnes is an overrated coach. I've never seen someone who has accomplished so little over so many years get so much love.

He took his first D1 head coaching job in 1987-- he's closing in on 40 years at major D1 programs. He was the head coach of the University of Texas (you know, just the biggest brand in all of college sports) from 1998 to 2015. He coached Providence for six years, taking over after Pitino had just led them to a Final Four.  He began at Tennessee in 2015 and is still there today. And he has one Final Four to his name. One (and we've been over the circumstances of that fluke trip ad nauseam now).

Sorry, but there are plenty of coaches that you could give those type of opportunities and it's hard to say that they'd come out worse. X's and O's, and Billy Gillespie runs circles around him. Billy. Gillispie. The guy who offered Dakotah Euton a scholarship. That Billy Gillispie.

Coaches who've been to as many Final Fours in a quarter of the time: Bruce Weber, Kevin Ollie, Porter Moser, Frank Martin, Greg Marshall, Jim Harrick, Paul Hewitt, Mike Davis, Tom Crean, and John Brady. I like Frank Martin, but what are all of those guys doing now? Do you hear of big time programs clamoring to hire them or are casuals discussing how great they are?

Yet somehow, Rick Barnes gets a pass because he hangs around in the conference standings and isn't scandalous. Absent some type of epiphany, I'm probably going to go to the grave thinking he's a poor strategist and terrible bench coach in games that count. Forget everything else, just give me one Tennessee or not-2003 Texas team he's had (over the past two plus decades) that's overachieved in the tournament and I'll shut up.

This is not "Cal's past six years have been mediocre". This is "Rick Barnes is not the example you want to use for a great coach because he is precisely the definition of mediocre".

I agree with everything you say about Barnes. So what does it say about Cal that Barnes now has his UT program equal to or above Cal's UK program?