[AtlPirateFan]

I never saw a game at Vipperman and haven't been to CAM. Are they very different venues? Any similarities in atmosphere?

It may be nostalgia here, but to me Death Valley was tough place to play for visitors. The visitors sat in the same stands as the home fans, coming into the area there were cars lined up forever down 119. The crowds were rowdy and many games were standing room only and even some where hanging from the trees room only. There was just this mystique about the place.

The CAM is an excellent, beautiful venue with all the niceties that the Pirates deserve. Lots of ballgames have been won there. But until they have a wild overly rowdy crowd as crazy as the ones like Vipperman experienced at times it will never be the same to me.