[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

I think that Ray was better at playing within the "gray" area of the rules than any other crew chief during the modern era. He even admits it if you catch him at the right time (see the T-Rex car). It doesn't bother me to think that Ray was pushing the limits--and smart enough to beat them at times. That what all great crew chiefs do. (ALL OF THE GREAT ONES--that goes for anyone who chiefed for Dale Earnhardt Sr).

Does that mean that Gordon was a cheater--there is only one answer to this--not anymore than anyone else was trying to be.

And--regardless--it doesn't matter if they had a rocket strapped to Jeff's ass--you don't get in a car like that and win races without being EXTREMELY talented. (Again--see Dale Earnhardt).

I doubt if Robbie Loomis was slick enough to pull that off. He was too busy being Mr. Goodie Two Shoes.

Before we talk about Johnson being better than Gordon--lets keep in mind--when Johnson came into NASCAR--Loomis/Gordon gave up all of Gordon's cars to Johnson so they would have something to start with. From there--the Dupont team had to play catch up. And--I am pretty sure that Gordon has won a championship since Johnson has been his team mate.