[TheRealThing]

BTW, there were colonies of men all around the world way before the Bible was written, and they lived in harmony and with moral rules also, so they must have been morality before the Bible. Of course, unless you actually believe the earth is about 6000 years old.

Before the God's written Word was given, He spoke to men through prophets. One of the reasons that the genealogies of the scriptures are so important is that they demonstrate that men handed down God's law from one generation to the next from the days of Abraham. But, having a degree in religious studies, you would know that every Jew can trace his family line all the way back to Abraham. Men could never come up with the lofty, unattainable goals of morality, God is the author of morality. The best man could ever come up with was secular humanism and, secular humanists think it's ok to murder the unborn. Go figure.

What part of secular history do you find harmonious? Man has lived in a perpetual state of war since his creation and history has recorded it in living color, blood red. Men have never been moral or even reasonable, apart from laws and people to enforce those laws. On the secular side the problem is this; law has been debated into a state of confusion and the only thing that stands undebatable, is the notion of tolerance. On the Christian side, people have a tendency to govern themselves in an honorable fashion. That's the idea that our founding fathers based this country's constitution upon. The notion that people could be depended on to basically govern themselves. What moderated their behavior to make them so dependable? Christianity, of course. In general, society's masses down through the ages were kept in check the same way they do it in China, North Korea and Russia. Run your mouth or cause a ruckous or don't pay your taxes and the man comes and either kills you outright, or takes you away. That's living in fear not harmony.