[LeeCoUKFan]

I'm sure everyone already knows this but i just thought i would mention it. With the 16 points that Tate Cox had last night that gives him a commanding 1st place lead in career points scored in the WYMT Mountain Classic with 189!

[NYY10]

Had Elisha scored his usual 20, SV played better defense, or SV made some more FT's this wouldn't have been a game. EXCUSES EXCUSES!

Agree..

Thats all it is from KCC Fan, or Valley haters
you say well, if KCC did this or if they did that did KCC would of won

had you not think if Valley did this or that as well, then it would have not even been a game!!!!

[Overrated]

Agree..

Thats all it is from KCC Fan, or Valley haters
you say well, if KCC did this or if they did that did KCC would of won

had you not think if Valley did this or that as well, then it would have not even been a game!!!!

Like I said, Valley and Oak Hill, A classic. EJ can't be guarded. :popcorn:

[lildrummerboy]

ASSlan you r such a PCC homer you can't stand that PCC got put out on day 1 why would u downgrade a 17yr old and say he's not very good. And you post on here 1000 times a day do you need a job? PCC is not very good get over it and quit haten on KCC

[theVILLE]

Elisha, Tate, Ashley, Taylor, Tyler, Cody, Stuart, Zach, have all played AAU together, most of them have been together since they were 8 or 9 years old. These boys love and respect each other and are top notch kids! They are all a class act and are like family with all of the traveling they have done together. If it wasn't for Robert and Greg Newsome, these boys wouldn't have as much experience and talent that they have with all of the planning and work that they put into AAU. Great kids and great parents! Just one of many God's greatest blessings to be associated with such awesome people!

Agree Expierence could play a role...I played on same AAU team as Stuart and Zach and Bartrum..all are good kids and a class act...As for elisha and valley they are a class act...Elisha seems to be a great kid as he was then...

[NYY10]

Like I said, Valley and Oak Hill, A classic. EJ can't be guarded. :popcorn:

Who said he cant be guarded.. Go ahead and look, bet u cant find it

[PATS2011]

Agree..

Thats all it is from KCC Fan, or Valley haters
you say well, if KCC did this or if they did that did KCC would of won

had you not think if Valley did this or that as well, then it would have not even been a game!!!!

Knott vs. SV was what it was EXPECTED to be. A knock down drag out clash of the mtn. titans, no. 1 vs. no. 2. If both teams played up to their best potential then it would be a game. No one gives a crap whether or not one team could have done this or another one did that. The fact is this was EXPECTED to be a good game and did not disappoint. It was a great game that at the end, could have gone either way, just as it is with any other no. 1 and no. 2 team games. In fact, most of the people on here that are saying if valley done this or that it wouldn't have been a game are the Knott Haters or Valley fans who feel they are no. 1 in the state. Glad they were taken down a notch and now see they do have competition in the mountains.

I'm pretty sure that the down to earth Valley fans agree with me that this was a good game and Valley was not expected to win 20 or 30 + like some on here said. Congrats to you all on your second WYMT championship!

Both teams could have made significant changes that would have affected the outcome of this game. But make no doubt that it should never be a game where one team wins by a lot. It is a good match up up two great mtn teams who deserved to be there.

PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT SV CANNOT RUN AWAY WITH EVERY TEAM IN THE MTNS LIKE THEY DO WITH EVERYONE IN THE 15TH. THEY
DO HAVE COMPETITION HERE AND WILL FACE TEAMS THAT WILL GIVE THEM TROUBLE AND POSSIBLY BEAT THEM, AS YOU SAW LAST NIGHT.

Not taking away ANYTHING from Valley, they are an excellent team that I hope makes a good run into the Sweet 16, but they are not unbeatable and just because they got played competitively by another team does not mean something was wrong with them (in this case both teams key players were not 100%). It was a good game just as it was expected to be.

No need for if they did this or if they did that, this game was no doubt a great one, as predicted.

Goof luck KCC and Shelby Valley the rest of the season and let's hope we both end up at State together!
GO PATS AND GO CATS!

[Aslan]

ASSlan you r such a PCC homer you can't stand that PCC got put out on day 1 why would u downgrade a 17yr old and say he's not very good. And you post on here 1000 times a day do you need a job? PCC is not very good get over it and quit haten on KCC

You can pm me anytime you want, no need in taking shots at me on here. & quit bringing Perry into the thread, start a Perry/Knott thread if you want to.

[theVILLE]

Good post PATS2011

[Overrated]

Who said he cant be guarded.. Go ahead and look, bet u cant find it

Ive seen it several times...I agree he cant!!

[UnderArmour24]

Valley started out on fire. I was very impressed with Varney at the beginning of this game he has turned into a key player. But i thought there was alot of no calls on Knott and bad calls on Valley in the 2nd half to help Knott get back into the game. But IMO the better team still won congrats to them and EJ on another tournament MVP award. Good job Knott on a hard battle and not giving up. We just might see both of these teams at Rupp.

[NYY10]

Ive seen it several times...I agree he cant!!

show me where someone said it, please

[The King]

Going into the game if you had told me that Ashley would put up 6 points and Elisha would shoot as poorly as he did then I would have expected SV to lose by double digits. I think that shows that SV is more than a two man team as some suggest, and it shows that they win by playing on both ends of the floor. This team has been in alot of big games over the years, and I think that really plays to their advantage in games like this.

Also, it doesn't make sense as an SV fan to say that Knott isn't a good team. If they aren't, SV must not be very good either to only beat them by 3.

[DortonWildcat5]

I also thought SV did a good job of battling through the foul trouble of several starters (Taylor, Varney, and Ashley). Taylor and Varney spent considerable time on the bench because of this. I thought the bench (especially Tanner) did a pretty good job in their absence though. SV has a little more depth than people give them credit for (and Ramey didn't play because of the hurt ankle which hurt their depth a little).

I was very impressed with the defense of KCC after the 1st quarter. SV had a hard time getting good shots inside w/o having a body on them or a hand in their face.

Congratulations to Tate for his record. He is a great player and young man.

[kj52]

Agree Expierence could play a role...I played on same AAU team as Stuart and Zach and Bartrum..all are good kids and a class act...As for elisha and valley they are a class act...Elisha seems to be a great kid as he was then...

Zach and Bartrum have NEVER played AAU together.

[cuppett777]

congrats sv

[Dawggie]

Zach and Bartrum have NEVER played AAU together.

Stewie Zack mullins and bartrum have played AAU together.

[memphistiger]

i forgot to ask, but why on the tv broadcast did brian milam say numerous times that shelby valley was #1 in the state? he said it like 10 times, like "knott has comeback from 20 against the #1 team in the state". if shelby valley is #1 in the state then i guess im better then kobe bryant

[Overrated]

i forgot to ask, but why on the tv broadcast did brian milam say numerous times that shelby valley was #1 in the state? he said it like 10 times, like "knott has comeback from 20 against the #1 team in the state". if shelby valley is #1 in the state then i guess im better then kobe bryant

:lmao:

[PATS2011]

i forgot to ask, but why on the tv broadcast did brian milam say numerous times that shelby valley was #1 in the state? he said it like 10 times, like "knott has comeback from 20 against the #1 team in the state". if shelby valley is #1 in the state then i guess im better then kobe bryant

I think he was just trying to bring more hype to the game and just using the L-house rankings as backup on winning %. SV fans know they aren't number one, number one in all A maybe, def top 3 or 5, but there is NO DOUBT they are one of the top 10 or 15 teams in the state.

[LeeCoUKFan]

i forgot to ask, but why on the tv broadcast did brian milam say numerous times that shelby valley was #1 in the state? he said it like 10 times, like "knott has comeback from 20 against the #1 team in the state". if shelby valley is #1 in the state then i guess im better then kobe bryant

Under the Litkenhous Ratings Shelby Valley is ranked #1 in the State.

[PATS2011]

Under the Litkenhous Ratings Shelby Valley is ranked #1 in the State.

It's a computed system of rankings based solely on winning %. So Shelby Valley currently has the best winning percentage in the state.

[kywldcat01]

I don't like to compare scores, but Seneca beats KCC by 50 and SV struggles to beat KCC by 3.

Maybe SV isn't as good and one of the elites like some of the posters hype them up to be? I realize I'm going to have 10 different posters saying I'm bashing them, but if SV played teams like Trinity, Seneca, Ballard, Male, Jeffersontown, Eastern, Holmes, or Scott Co, you'd see why some of us outside of that area don't think they're as good as some of you hype them up to be.

I think SV should be ranked in the 10-15 range. That is appropriate IMO.

[PATS2011]

I don't like to compare scores, but Seneca beats KCC by 50 and SV struggles to beat KCC by 3.

Maybe SV isn't as good and one of the elites like some of the posters hype them up to be? I realize I'm going to have 10 different posters saying I'm bashing them, but if SV played teams like Trinity, Seneca, Ballard, Male, Jeffersontown, Eastern, Holmes, or Scott Co, you'd see why some of us outside of that area don't think they're as good as some of you hype them up to be.

I think SV should be ranked in the 10-15 range. That is appropriate IMO.

Seneca beating KCC by 50 will NEVER happen again. KCC shot the worst game they have ever played in the last 10 years. 1 for 21 or 23 behind the arc? That's insane numbers for that team.

Anyway you can't compare games like that. Seneca lost to a McCreary Central team that KCC beat. It just doesn't work like that. KCC is a better team than they showed against Seneca. You need to give Knott and SV more credit. Don't base Knott off of that game. It was a fluke in KCC shooting. I'm not saying that Knott would beat Seneca, but there is no team in the state that's 50 points better than KCC or SV.

[PC_You_Know]

I don't like to compare scores, but Seneca beats KCC by 50 and SV struggles to beat KCC by 3.

Maybe SV isn't as good and one of the elites like some of the posters hype them up to be? I realize I'm going to have 10 different posters saying I'm bashing them, but if SV played teams like Trinity, Seneca, Ballard, Male, Jeffersontown, Eastern, Holmes, or Scott Co, you'd see why some of us outside of that area don't think they're as good as some of you hype them up to be.

I think SV should be ranked in the 10-15 range. That is appropriate IMO.

You're still doing a horrible job of your so called "Staying out of the Valley threads".

Once again, how many TRUE Valley fans on this site hype them up? Ummm..exactly. You're just looking for an argument.

[PC_You_Know]

Seneca beating KCC by 50 will NEVER happen again. KCC shot the worst game they have ever played in the last 10 years. 1 for 21 or 23?

Anyway you can't compare games like that. Seneca lost to a McCreary Central team that KCC beat. It just doesn't work like that.

Ouch. So much for theories.

[DortonWildcat5]

I don't like to compare scores, but Seneca beats KCC by 50 and SV struggles to beat KCC by 3.

Maybe SV isn't as good and one of the elites like some of the posters hype them up to be? I realize I'm going to have 10 different posters saying I'm bashing them, but if SV played teams like Trinity, Seneca, Ballard, Male, Jeffersontown, Eastern, Holmes, or Scott Co, you'd see why some of us outside of that area don't think they're as good as some of you hype them up to be.

I think SV should be ranked in the 10-15 range. That is appropriate IMO.

You have to love comparisons in sports. They rarely make any sense. Here's another comparison: KCC beat McCreary by 7, who beat Male, who beat Eastern, who lost to Seneca by 8. Based on that, KCC and Seneca are very close in talent yet Seneca beats KCC by 52. There are plenty of other comparisons that could be made around the state that make no sense either.

Well, throw that theory out the window when ranking teams. That's why they play the games!

[kywldcat01]

Hey say what you want, but if SV was as good as you guys say, they would have beat KC by more than 3.

Obviously SV isn't as far ahead of EKY competition as some of you say.

[PATS2011]

Hey say what you want, but if SV was as good as you guys say, they would have beat KC by more than 3.

Obviously SV isn't as far ahead of EKY competition as some of you say.

Obviously you need to re read my post because you still haven't got the message. You are not giving KCC the credit they deserve. They are definitely one of the better teams in the state, pre season #15, I'm not saying that they are top 20 now, but they aren't past top 30. You need to realize that there are good teams in the mountains besides Shelby Valley. We have waaaaaay more talent here than just on one team. Just because Shelby Valley lost to KCC by 3 doesn't mean SV isn't as good as some people say, it means KCC is BETTER than some people, AKA YOU, say. Don't knock Valley for competing well with a good team that has the potential to compete with them to start with.

Let's look at some impressive Knott wins this year:
Warren Central by 11 (scrimmage 1 week prior to season start)
Fairdale @Fairdale
Hazard coming from 10 behind, which shouldn't have happened.
McCreary Central (who beat Seneca)


and they made a good run against Valley and showed some of their talent, coming from 22 behind to 2 points down at one point.

[NYY10]

Hey say what you want, but if SV was as good as you guys say, they would have beat KC by more than 3.

Obviously SV isn't as far ahead of EKY competition as some of you say.

Every think that some people can have an off night, we mountain teams can be as perfect as u and your holmes team is.. Sorry!!