Will Tate Cox Transfer?

**RavenBoy** · 03-03-2008, 05:10 PM

warmachine Wrote:Knott County wouldnt even go to state with Tate Cox and Collins playing for them next year. Nobody will touch Hazard if they stay together. If Hatcher stays at Perry look out for them as well. If I were Tate Cox and Collins, I would join up with the NWO baby. The Hazard Bulldogs. Why not go to the State Tournament and WIN it. With that kind of team and depth, they would probably go undefeated at Hazard next year. God only know who they will bring in at Knott County next year. Hey why dont they bring back the great Harold Combs and let him coach again. I remember when he coached at Napier, what a joke.

You have a good point, With Hazard players and Big Al coaching and Cox and Collins they could compete at State. Also if they went to SV then they would be unstoppable.

sacbunt · 03-03-2008, 11:29 PM

BasketBallonlyfan Wrote:I really dont think that is true. JBS doesnt have a school district, unless you live on ALC campus. If you live outside the college campus, you are out of their district. If something happened, like the parents couldnt afford the tutition, they they wouldnt have any choice but to send him back to public school.

Bylaw 6. Transfer Rule
Sec. 1) Domestic Students
Any student who has been enrolled in grades nine (9) through
twelve (12) and has participated in any varsity game in any sport
at any school following enrollment in grade nine (9) and who then
transfers schools shall be ineligible for interscholastic athletics at
any level in any sport for one year from the date of enrollment in
the new school.
a) BONA FIDE CHANGE IN RESIDENCE - If there has been a
bona fi de change in residence by the parents and student that
precedes a studentâs change of schools.
For purposes of this bylaw, a bonafi de change of residence means
the moving permanent residence of the entire family of the
student and his/her parents from one school district or defi ned
school attendance area into another school district or defi ned
school attendance area prior to a change in enrollment of the
student. A student who becomes emancipated does not have a
bona fi de change of residence by virtue of his/her emancipation
and change of residence for purposes of this bylaw.

**JOBAKKA** · 03-03-2008, 11:40 PM

sacbunt Wrote:Bylaw 6. Transfer Rule
Sec. 1) Domestic Students
Any student who has been enrolled in grades nine (9) through
twelve (12) and has participated in any varsity game in any sport
at any school following enrollment in grade nine (9) and who then
transfers schools shall be ineligible for interscholastic athletics at
any level in any sport for one year from the date of enrollment in
the new school.
a) BONA FIDE CHANGE IN RESIDENCE - If there has been a
bona fi de change in residence by the parents and student that
precedes a studentâs change of schools.
For purposes of this bylaw, a bonafi de change of residence means
the moving permanent residence of the entire family of the
student and his/her parents from one school district or defi ned
school attendance area into another school district or defi ned
school attendance area prior to a change in enrollment of the
student. A student who becomes emancipated does not have a
bona fi de change of residence by virtue of his/her emancipation
and change of residence for purposes of this bylaw.

All Tate has to do is show a change of address and if no one objects or replies to the transfer(aka Stepps) The KHSAA rarely looks any deeper and approves the transfer or on aappeal you can show you lived in the district and went to the other school for a time, most of the time the appeal is granted as long as the student has lived in the district.(aka Knott Co). So if ruled inelgible he will win on appeal because he never left the Knott district if he wants to attend Knott, little more complicated for Hazard or Shelby Valley without a change of address. But if Tate leaves I am sure mom and dad are going to, so there will be a change of address.

americangirl · 03-04-2008, 01:13 AM

warmachine Wrote:Knott County wouldnt even go to state with Tate Cox and Collins playing for them next year. Nobody will touch Hazard if they stay together. If Hatcher stays at Perry look out for them as well. If I were Tate Cox and Collins, I would join up with the NWO baby. The Hazard Bulldogs. Why not go to the State Tournament and WIN it. With that kind of team and depth, they would probably go undefeated at Hazard next year. God only know who they will bring in at Knott County next year. Hey why dont they bring back the great Harold Combs and let him coach again. I remember when he coached at Napier, what a joke.

I understand i'am off topic, but to try to clear a thing up. Harold Combs as coming to KCC in the year of 1980-1981 lead the patriots to regional title, and on to the state tournament to face up to a good simon kenton team, best information i can get KCC lost that first round game. He came to Knott Co. from Bell Co. records show dearing his six years at Bell the team showed a 129 wins and 32 losses. Thats not to bad for the barnyard boy. I think he received several ( coach of the year ) awards also. I know nothing about his coaching at Napier, but i kind think the record speaks for it's seft.
Cool

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 03-04-2008, 09:37 AM

SACBUNT, I know that rule, just the same as almost everyone on here. But it is a different situation than what the KHSAA rulebook covers. Where it is a private school, and tuition is being paid for him to go there. JBS does not have a school district like the public schools has. There students can live in the ALC campus or even out of county or state. I dont know if the situation has been addressed by the KHSAA about the transferring from private to public without a physical change of address. I dont know if economic factors such as gas prices on the rise, insurance rates going up and stuff like that would be good enough for the reasoning as to why they couldnt pay tuition. At a public school, they could claim he would ride the buses to school and not have all the extra expenses to go along with school.

5timechamp · 03-04-2008, 10:17 AM

Didnt Cox and Collins play AAU with the SV boys for several years?

**JOBAKKA** · 03-04-2008, 12:59 PM

BasketBallonlyfan Wrote:SACBUNT, I know that rule, just the same as almost everyone on here. But it is a different situation than what the KHSAA rulebook covers. Where it is a private school, and tuition is being paid for him to go there. JBS does not have a school district like the public schools has. There students can live in the ALC campus or even out of county or state. I dont know if the situation has been addressed by the KHSAA about the transferring from private to public without a physical change of address. I dont know if economic factors such as gas prices on the rise, insurance rates going up and stuff like that would be good enough for the reasoning as to why they couldnt pay tuition. At a public school, they could claim he would ride the buses to school and not have all the extra expenses to go along with school.

There was a casr this year about parents losing thier job and the parents could not afford tuition so the kid transferred. The parents story was ligit and the student was ruled inelgible and lost the appeal. she had to sit out a year, bsically because dad lost his job. is that fair

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 03-04-2008, 06:27 PM

JOBAKKA Wrote:There are some legal issues going on. Tate has been given a blanket release to transfer if he choses

I have never heard of anything even close to a "blanket release". You dont even have to have a release to get eligible. I know of players that had them and was ruled against them, and others that had them that had to sit out a year. Where in the KHSAA rule book does it talk about a blanket release?

JOBAKKA Wrote:All Tate has to do is show a change of address and if no one objects or replies to the transfer(aka Stepps) The KHSAA rarely looks any deeper and approves the transfer or on aappeal you can show you lived in the district and went to the other school for a time, most of the time the appeal is granted as long as the student has lived in the district.(aka Knott Co). So if ruled inelgible he will win on appeal because he never left the Knott district if he wants to attend Knott, little more complicated for Hazard or Shelby Valley without a change of address. But if Tate leaves I am sure mom and dad are going to, so there will be a change of address.

The tricky part is that he shouldnt have to have a change of address to get eligible if he lives in the school district that he will be transferring to. I think the rule book needs to be updated or amended to cover situations like these.

**JOBAKKA** · 03-04-2008, 06:52 PM

BasketBallonlyfan Wrote:I have never heard of anything even close to a "blanket release". You dont even have to have a release to get eligible. I know of players that had them and was ruled against them, and others that had them that had to sit out a year. Where in the KHSAA rule book does it talk about a blanket release?

The tricky part is that he shouldnt have to have a change of address to get eligible if he lives in the school district that he will be transferring to. I think the rule book needs to be updated or amended to cover situations like these.

Blanket was probaly not the best word to use. JBS will not in any way try to stop the transfer or cause any appeal. They will alllow the Cox family tio do as seen fit without any interferences. I hope you understand what I am trying to say even though I don't explain it very well. Sorry
As far as the School district one I was involved in a case this year where a student transferred back to his home district and had lived there all his life and was ruled inelgiable because of no change of address. The school he came from wrote and complained using that clause in the KHSAA rules and he was ruled inelgible. I believe had he appealed he would have won but chose not to appeal.

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 03-04-2008, 08:46 PM

I understand what you are saying now. But even if JBS does not put up any type of fight at all if he decides to transfer, that doesnt mean that he will be eligible to play next year if he does. JBS does not have a say on if he will be able to play next season or not. Even if they fight it, he still could play if they decide in his favor.

03-05-2008, 12:28 AM

Cox will surely transfer and hopefully get to play team ball for the first time in a long time. Tate is a team player first and foremost and it will be fun to see him play point guard again and show that he was surely the best point guard on his team this year and was not allowed to play that for the obvious reason. The main goal of a point guard is to make everyone around you better and that is what Tate is all about..

**PC_You_Know** · 03-05-2008, 01:24 AM

uk96 Wrote:Cox will surely transfer and hopefully get to play team ball for the first time in a long time. Tate is a team player first and foremost and it will be fun to see him play point guard again and show that he was surely the best point guard on his team this year and was not allowed to play that for the obvious reason. The main goal of a point guard is to make everyone around you better and that is what Tate is all about..

Tate is a very good team player, but if he went to Valley he would not be running the point, but he would make it rain from the SG position.

BondJamesBond · 03-05-2008, 02:00 AM

From last word that I heard, Tate is going to declare his hardship and possibily according to people close to him, Boston thinks they could pick him up with the 8th pick of the June draft....

UKCAT5FAN · 03-05-2008, 02:35 AM

I would love to follow the conversation but I have no idea what schools you all are speaking about. JBS? ALC? KCC? SV and Valley is Shelby Valley I assume.

Blue-N-Gold · 03-05-2008, 03:07 AM

UKCAT5FAN Wrote:I would love to follow the conversation but I have no idea what schools you all are speaking about. JBS? ALC? KCC? SV and Valley is Shelby Valley I assume.

JBS=June Buchanan School
ALC=Alice Lloyd College
KCC=Knott Co. Central
SV=Shelby Valley

03-05-2008, 11:40 AM

UKCAT5FAN Wrote:I would love to follow the conversation but I have no idea what schools you all are speaking about. JBS? ALC? KCC? SV and Valley is Shelby Valley I assume.

JBS is the high school for Alice Lloyd College and Joe Stepp is over both schools...

globetrotter12 · 03-05-2008, 05:11 PM

uk96 Wrote:Cox will surely transfer and hopefully get to play team ball for the first time in a long time. Tate is a team player first and foremost and it will be fun to see him play point guard again and show that he was surely the best point guard on his team this year and was not allowed to play that for the obvious reason. The main goal of a point guard is to make everyone around you better and that is what Tate is all about..

I have to disagree with you here. I believe tate is better at the 2 guard position. He is definetly a good team player. I don't know were all these rumors are coming from that tate is going to transfer but this started last year also. I also thought Clark was a better point guard just never had any discipline what so ever from the coaching staff..

**RavenBoy** · 03-05-2008, 08:31 PM

globetrotter12 Wrote:I have to disagree with you here. I believe tate is better at the 2 guard position. He is definetly a good team player. I don't know were all these rumors are coming from that tate is going to transfer but this started last year also. I also thought Clark was a better point guard just never had any discipline what so ever from the coaching staff..

[ Ill have to agree with ya. Clark at the 1 and Cox at the 2. I didnt see Cox handle the ball much so I couldnt tell ya how he would do as the PG. You really cant say that he will transfer this year because of ballhogs and not playing as a team because he didnt transfer last year. If he would leave because of the Stepps he would of left along time ago. IMO the reason he didnt leave last year was because he thought they had a chance of going to state. Now this year, if him and Collins stay at JBS then they will have chance of going to State, thats why I say Cox will leave if Collins leaves.

EOE · 03-05-2008, 09:03 PM

Cox and Collins both need to transfer to Shelby Valley.

**PC_You_Know** · 03-05-2008, 09:06 PM

EOE Wrote:Cox and Collins both need to transfer to Shelby Valley.

While I'd say I would love to see this, why do they need to?

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 03-05-2008, 09:10 PM

With Garrison being a senior next year, it would be very risky for him to transfer anywhere. Even with a change of residence, if it was a sports move, he could still be ruled ineligible.

EOE · 03-05-2008, 09:30 PM

PC_You_Know Wrote:While I'd say I would love to see this, why do they need to?

Well, if they want to go to state.

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 03-05-2008, 09:49 PM

EOE Wrote:Well, if they want to go to state.

So that is the only school that they would have a chance at going to state with? What if they went to Hazard or anywhere else?

**PC_You_Know** · 03-05-2008, 09:52 PM

BasketBallonlyfan Wrote:So that is the only school that they would have a chance at going to state with? What if they went to Hazard or anywhere else?

I agree, they could go elsewhere and go to state, but Valley would be the logical thing. If Tate ended up there it would be the East Kentucky Lightning AAU team.

**RavenBoy** · 03-05-2008, 10:07 PM

They should go to Mountain Christian Academy and try to go to state with them.

PATS2011 · 03-06-2008, 08:35 PM

RavenBoy Wrote:They should go to Mountain Christian Academy and try to go to state with them.

AT PIARIST? OK yeah, thats logical.....:nope:

warriors_45 · 03-06-2008, 10:28 PM

Can you imagine Cox and Collins on Valley's team? To go along with Elisha Justice, and Ashley Hatfield. Thats just unfair to ER and Pikeville in the 59th.

03-06-2008, 11:17 PM

warriors_45 Wrote:Can you imagine Cox and Collins on Valley's team? To go along with Elisha Justice, and Ashley Hatfield. Thats just unfair to ER and Pikeville in the 59th.

They would be good but there is no chance that this will happen...0%chance...

**PC_You_Know** · 03-07-2008, 12:27 AM

uk96 Wrote:They would be good but there is no chance that this will happen...0%chance...

how do you know, do tell us all what info you have on this matter because I have heard totally opposite from many people who talk to Tate all the time.

**BasketBallonlyfan** · 03-07-2008, 12:35 AM

I dont know if it will happen or wont happen, with Tate and Garrison going to Valley. But it seems like the KHSAA would look a little deeper if two different players went from the same school to a different school together. Even if you have a change of residence, if it is a athletic move, then eligibility isnt guaranteed. It would be worse for Garrision where he will be a senior as to Tate where he still would have a year to play. Who knows, maybe the powers that be at JBS might realize that the younger brother would get more exposure at the state tourney and play the way the game should be played.