[zaga_fan]

Just saw where a board member claims this wasn't on the agenda. Y'all really know how to keep things interesting in Hindman.

[HCS]

KHSAA has Cordia with 88 kids in high school - not many schools stay open that are that small. Strangely enough, there were 55 boys and 33 girls. That's an unusual difference, I would imagine.

[HCS]

I think I read somewhere that 100 of the 220 students in K-12 at Cordia were from Perry County. Is that true?

[OhHereWeGo]

I think I read somewhere that 100 of the 220 students in K-12 at Cordia were from Perry County. Is that true?

Where did you read it at? I want to see the proof.

[HCS]

I said I think I did - maybe someone just said it in a discussion. That's why I asked what the numbers are. It's close to the line. How many are from Perry then?

[Buford T Justice]

I think I read somewhere that 100 of the 220 students in K-12 at Cordia were from Perry County. Is that true?

I don't know if it is 100 but I would say they probably have have 50 or 60 for sure. Maybe they do have that many. It is only about 1.2 miles from the Perry co line. I do know when Jonathan Mullins was principal he would not enroll any kid from Perry co and it hurt their enrollment bad but now that policy has changed.

[HCS]

I found it in the Herald Leader and straight from the source.


Cordia has about 230 students in grades kindergarten through 12. About 100 come from adjoining Perry County, said Alice Whitaker, director of the nonprofit organization that owns the Cordia facility.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/news/state/artic...rylink=cpy

[HCS]

I don't know if it is 100 but I would say they probably have have 50 or 60 for sure. Maybe they do have that many. It is only about 1.2 miles from the Perry co line. I do know when Jonathan Mullins was principal he would not enroll any kid from Perry co and it hurt their enrollment bad but now that policy has changed.

So, half the kids are only seven miles or so from a Perry County school?
That's a lot of money for Knott to spend educating Perry students.

[zaga_fan]

So, half the kids are only seven miles or so from a Perry County school?
That's a lot of money for Knott to spend educating Perry students.

That also gives Knott SEEK money to throw at other things.
Cordia has always been a melting pot of students from other schools/districts.
I know a guy that drove from Leatherwood to Lotts Creek every morning so he could get some playing time at Cordia.
Plus, you have kids who live on both ends of the Creek (The Bulan side and the Vicco side) who are closer to Cordia than they are Perry Central or Hazard.

It's just an interesting situation all around. If I'm not mistaken, even though Cordia is in Knott County, it's physical address lists Hazard.

[HCS]

Yeah, I've seen Hazard listed before in connection with Cordia. I didn't think it was that close though. My wife is from Leatherwood. That is a drive.
I don't doubt you are right about being closer, but it's not that much closer when Perry Central and Cordia are only 9 miles apart.
I doubt the SEEK money makes up for the cost of paying for a school. I can't think of another high school in a county district in Kentucky that has less than 100 students, except maybe Robertson County.

[OutsideLookingIn]

When you lease a building such as Cordia, What is the boards responsibility. Janitors, Cooks, Teachers, and administrators right? From what I hear Knott County board has never lived up to their end of the bargain with support staff ie Janitors, cooks, etc. If you are going to lease something and provide a service you should do it correctly right??

[HCS]

It sounds like the judge forced Knott to keep the school open another year. There was something about Cordia's officials working on making it a charter/private school for the next year.
I've followed school closings/mergers for 40 years - first time I can ever remember a judge ordering a school district to keep a school open.

[Granny Bear]

Me too.

[Buford T Justice]

Cordia is a very unique situation. Like I told everyone a while back and no one believed me. In 1994 Kentucky voted into law a settlement school law. In a nut shell it states if you are a historic settelment school in existance prior to 1994 a school SHALL remain in service. Provided it meets all safety standards. That's why the board has tried all year long to get the building deemed un safe by sending in fire marshals and health inspectors in on a weekly basis last year. The KDE finally stepped in and fired the commissioner of education and in the court hearings the KDE is on record as saying they want to enter into an agreement with cordia and the safety issues have been addressed and are no longer a issue. BTW Cordia is the only remaining settelment school still in existance in the state of Kentucky. Cordia was founded in 1933.

[HCS]

No, I believed you and you did say that about Bailey. I'm surprised the judge followed that though.
Red Bird and OBI and Pine Mountain Settlement School over here are all listed as settlement schools on the list I have.

[HCS]

The following are examples of settlement schools and other institutions (most no longer in operation) that were first founded as settlement schools:[9][10]

Alice Lloyd College, Pippa Passes, Kentucky
Annville Institute, Annville, Kentucky
Bethel Mennonite Center, Rowdy, Kentucky
Buckhorn Children’s Center, Buckhorn, Kentucky
John C. Campbell Folk School, Brasstown, North Carolina
Frontier Nursing Service, Hyden, Kentucky
Hazel Green Academy, Hazel Green, Kentucky
Henderson Settlement School, Frakes, Bell County, Kentucky. Founded in 1921.[11]
Hindman Settlement School, Hindman, Kentucky
Hinton Rural Life Center, Hayesville, North Carolina
Jackson Area Ministries Resource and Training Center, Jackson, Ohio
Kingdom Come Settlement School, Linefork, Letcher County, Kentucky. Founded in 1924 by Methodists.[11]
Lotts Creek Community School, Cordia, Knott County, Kentucky. Founded in 1933.[11]
Oneida Baptist Institute, Oneida, Kentucky
Pi Beta Phi Settlement School (now Arrowmont School of Arts and Crafts), Gatlinburg, Tennessee[12]
Pine Mountain Settlement School, Harlan County, Kentucky
Pittman Community Center, Pittman Center, Tennessee
Red Bird Mission, Beverly, Bell County, Kentucky. Founded in 1925.[11]
Riverside Christian Training School, Lost Creek, Breathitt County, Kentucky. Founded in 1905 by the Church of the Brethren.[13]
Stuart Robinson School, Blackey, Kentucky. Founded in 1913 as a Presbyterian mission.[11][14]
Sunset Gap Community Center, Cosby, Tennessee. Started in 1920 by Presbyterians.[15]
Vardy Community School, Vardy, Hancock County, Tennessee

[Lion king]

WYMT is reporting that the Court has approved Cordia’s operation for 2018-19. My guess the is the new commissioner of education signed off on this decision. What happens after 2018-19 will probably be pure speculation.

[HCS]

Does Knott still have 7 seven schools, counting Cordia?

[Buford T Justice]

No, I believed you and you did say that about Bailey. I'm surprised the judge followed that though.
Red Bird and OBI and Pine Mountain Settlement School over here are all listed as settlement schools on the list I have.

I was talking with Alice Whitaker about Red Bird last week she said Red Bird would have a case if they wanted to push it. But where red bird and obi are already operating in the private capacity I don't think they could have much of a case. But Cordia on the other hand has been in continuous operation that is wher they have an advantage. The law is KRS 157.420(11). If a local school board authorized elementary, middle, or secondary education classes in a facility of a historical settlement school on January 1 1994, the board shall continue to use the facilities provided by the settlement school if the facilities meet health and safety standards for education facilities as required by administrative regulations. The local school board and the governing body of the settlement school shall enter into a cooperative agreement that delineates the role,responsibilities ,and financial obligations for each party. This is the entire law word for word. Alice Whitaker has been holding this Rook card for 24 years just waiting on the right moment to play it.

[HCS]

All the other schools are private, I think. Who would Red Bird make pay if they were in danger of closing - Clay County?
I was told Benny Ray Bailey was mad at Knott over something about a family member and held a grudge against the district.
I don't know if that rule would hold up if pushed far enough. I didn't notice it mentioned in the court ruling, but I could have missed it. Did you see it in there?
How could the General Assembly tell a county district what schools to spend their money on? What would make Cordia more important than Carr Creek High School, for instance, or even Fleming-Neon or Cumberland or a hundred others.

[Buford T Justice]

All the other schools are private, I think. Who would Red Bird make pay if they were in danger of closing - Clay County?
I was told Benny Ray Bailey was mad at Knott over something about a family member and held a grudge against the district.
I don't know if that rule would hold up if pushed far enough. I didn't notice it mentioned in the court ruling, but I could have missed it. Did you see it in there?
How could the General Assembly tell a county district what schools to spend their money on? What would make Cordia more important than Carr Creek High School, for instance, or even Fleming-Neon or Cumberland or a hundred others.

Carr creek, Fleming-Neon.or Cumberland are not on the historic registery of selitment schools. At the time this law was enacted Cordia was the only school still in existence. That is true about Benny Ray Baley he did not like Knott co but that is the way politics work it is in Kentucky law now and the only thing that can Chang that is for the legislation to change the law.

[HCS]

That's true - they aren't - and politics does work that way, it seems. I just don't see the difference as far as why one deserves protection over another.
One good thing for the area is that Knott must be in pretty good shape financially if they do operate seven schools. Harlan County is almost twice that size and has nine.

[FunFan]

All the other schools are private, I think. Who would Red Bird make pay if they were in danger of closing - Clay County?
I was told Benny Ray Bailey was mad at Knott over something about a family member and held a grudge against the district.
I don't know if that rule would hold up if pushed far enough. I didn't notice it mentioned in the court ruling, but I could have missed it. Did you see it in there?
How could the General Assembly tell a county district what schools to spend their money on? What would make Cordia more important than Carr Creek High School, for instance, or even Fleming-Neon or Cumberland or a hundred others.

No way this law holds up in an Appellate Court.

[fatpatfan]

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Wowza, ole fatpat going to give it to my pals in lotts creek.

#nevergiveup More mash taters please!!!

[HCS]

Cordia handled it so much better than Knott, especially Alice Whitaker and the attorney. After watching them you had to wonder if they should close Knott Central and send them to Cordia. The Knott officials were even afraid to talk on TV, as if they had something to hide.
There isn't a county district in the state paying to keep a high school open with 88 students and probably very few with a K-12 facility with 230 students, and yet the only issue discussed in the legal ruling as a reason was the poor condition of the school. Kentucky had over 600 high schools in the 1930s and less than 300 now - so it's not at all unusual. People supporting just about every school closed over the last 50 years have talked about it hurting the community and kids would have to travel too far, but the communities went on just the same and the buses got them there.

[zaga_fan]

Cordia handled it so much better than Knott, especially Alice Whitaker and the attorney. After watching them you had to wonder if they should close Knott Central and send them to Cordia. The Knott officials were even afraid to talk on TV, as if they had something to hide.
There isn't a county district in the state paying to keep a high school open with 88 students and probably very few with a K-12 facility with 230 students, and yet the only issue discussed in the legal ruling as a reason was the poor condition of the school. Kentucky had over 600 high schools in the 1930s and less than 300 now - so it's not at all unusual. People supporting just about every school closed over the last 50 years have talked about it hurting the community and kids would have to travel too far, but the communities went on just the same and the buses got them there.

Not taking up for anyone in this one, but I can tell you Knott's board rarely talks to anyone on television.

[cj2561]

Cordia handled it so much better than Knott, especially Alice Whitaker and the attorney. After watching them you had to wonder if they should close Knott Central and send them to Cordia. The Knott officials were even afraid to talk on TV, as if they had something to hide.
There isn't a county district in the state paying to keep a high school open with 88 students and probably very few with a K-12 facility with 230 students, and yet the only issue discussed in the legal ruling as a reason was the poor condition of the school. Kentucky had over 600 high schools in the 1930s and less than 300 now - so it's not at all unusual. People supporting just about every school closed over the last 50 years have talked about it hurting the community and kids would have to travel too far, but the communities went on just the same and the buses got them there.

I am going to us Perry Co. Central. the kids from Leatherwood have to get on the bus at 4 AM to make it to school on time. you take these same kids, how many of them played sport, not many, I would say a lot more of them want to played sports. the few that does played sports, they spin around 16 hours a day away from home. but on the other side of the county there is Buckhorn High School, with about 240 kids from K-12 in it. with all the talk that perry co schools don't have any money, I have never heard them said they are going to close Buckhorn down.

[zaga_fan]

I am going to us Perry Co. Central. the kids from Leatherwood have to get on the bus at 4 AM to make it to school on time. you take these same kids, how many of them played sport, not many, I would say a lot more of them want to played sports. the few that does played sports, they spin around 16 hours a day away from home. but on the other side of the county there is Buckhorn High School, with about 240 kids from K-12 in it. with all the talk that perry co schools don't have any money, I have never heard them said they are going to close Buckhorn down.

Do you know what you're talking about?

[fatpatfan]

I am going to us Perry Co. Central. the kids from Leatherwood have to get on the bus at 4 AM to make it to school on time. you take these same kids, how many of them played sport, not many, I would say a lot more of them want to played sports. the few that does played sports, they spin around 16 hours a day away from home. but on the other side of the county there is Buckhorn High School, with about 240 kids from K-12 in it. with all the talk that perry co schools don't have any money, I have never heard them said they are going to close Buckhorn down.

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#tooearlytoreadthis More mash taters please!!!

[zaga_fan]

My wife is from Leatherwood and got on the bus at 6:45 when she was in school. There are some places closer to the county lines where the kids would get on earlier, but no one is getting on the bus at 4am. Buckhorn's enrollment is closer to double what cj2561 quoted than 240. Basically everything in his post is wrong and he has some kind of vendetta against Perry County Schools. Please overlook him.