[jetpilot]

Dang it Jetpilot I can't slide anything past you :notbad:

Haha you went right back to sandbagging.:dontthink

[TigerBlues]

Haha you went right back to sandbagging.:dontthink

:hilarious:

[pjdoug]

No way belfry is number 3 spot at best. C'mon.

Belfry is tough, but why rank them above Pulaski and Johnson Central? Southwestern might even surprise you.

[Pirate1991#8]

Hahaha. Dude, don't even go there. You want to keep on dreaming about your education and contribution to society, go right ahead. You've done nothing in your posts, nor said anything, to somehow prove your knowledge of football is way above mine. Based on what I've read, you think being from Belfry automatically makes you more knowledgeable about football than anyone else. YOU are the very type of fan who gives Belfry a bad name. I have much respect for Belfry, and have never said anything bad about them on here. But in your very best, typical "I'm a Belfry fan, we are the greatest" fashion, you've once again proved being good football doesn't equal being classy. I have family from over there, they graduated from Belfry, go to every game, have for years, and they still cringe every time some yahoo like you opens their mouth. You in no way have me "in check" and couldn't if you tried.

Oh, and a DM is "direct message" or private message. Good job, good effort.

:lmao:

Ok for the simple fact that you think Pikeville is a top 10 Mountain team proves that I know more about Football than you ever will. You guys couldn't beat East Ridge. And trust me there is not one Belfry Fan that would Crindge as to the type of Fan I am. But its Pikeville Fans like yourself that can't stand that Pikeville is not on top or even close to the middle in terms as best in the Mountains. And there is no need for me to DM you, I will just DC you..that's Directly Confront you to tell you all this to your face, and all in a classy way if you would like. And if you have family from Belfry you should've lived with them and went to Belfry so you could've been a winner. (That is if you could've been good enough to start) Reason #2 I'm smarter than you. Now can we stop I think Bluegrass Rivals should have a JV section so people like you can talk to people that your on the same level with.lol

[Pirate1991#8]

Belfry is tough, but why rank them above Pulaski and Johnson Central? Southwestern might even surprise you.

I just think belfry could beat Pulaski, And yes JC did skull drag us last year, But we had a couple key guys out that game and hurt...and no way JC could've beat the Belfry team that showed up during the Playoffs because we was healthy..well I will say beat us that bad. And I totally agree with you about Southwestern...they were a good team last year but just couldn't get it together and they played a brutal schedule..this year they get the Doan kid, A very good coach,and the Fannin kid. This game is a good test for Belfry as it was last year..Both teams better bring their A game to win..

[EKUAlum05]

Belfry is tough, but why rank them above Pulaski and Johnson Central? Southwestern might even surprise you.

Hard to make an argument over Pulaski, great 5A team with a ton returning... but Johnson Central was hit pretty hard by graduation and the loss of Belcher.

JC laid it on Belfry pretty heavy last year, but Belfry also was a completely different looking team once Austin Hatfield returned on defense. No way I can say Belfry would have beat JC in a re-match, but I anticipate it would have been a different looking game. The Pirates had over 300 rushing yards and moved the ball well...simply could not stop JC.

Belfry lost some key pieces in Warren, Johnson, Carr, and H. Hatfield... but by and large they return an in-tact defense that was dominant come November, their entire OL which even put up big rushing yards against JC, and plenty of talent at the skill position.Throw in the return of X Willis from injury who was probably Belfry's 2nd best HB last year, the addition of Deonte Joplin (1000 yard rusher at Mingo Central), and the Corbett kid who will definitely help at different positions.

On top of that those sensational Freshmen Belfry played (Hall, Horton, Bentley, Catron, Woolum, Fletcher) are a year more mature.The Pirates also have another sensational crop of Freshman coming in.

Belfry has a very strong argument.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

1. Pulaski County
2. Johnson Central
3. Belfry (until you beat #2)
4. Harlan County
5. Prestonsburg (best chance at state since Burchett's senior year)
6. Bell County
7. Corbin
8. Williamsburg
9. Hazard
10.Pike County Central

Outside looking in:
Paintsville
Pikeville
Lawrence County

[EKUAlum05]

1. Pulaski County
2. Johnson Central
3. Belfry (until you beat #2)
4. Harlan County
5. Prestonsburg (best chance at state since Burchett's senior year)
6. Bell County
7. Corbin
8. Williamsburg
9. Hazard
10.Pike County Central

Outside looking in:
Paintsville
Pikeville
Lawrence County

Shouldn't Pburg be behind Pike Central, Pikeville, Somerset, Powell County, Knox Central, and Hazard using that same lgoic? :eyeroll:

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

Shouldn't Pburg be behind Pike Central, Pikeville, Somerset, Powell County, Knox Central, and Hazard using that same lgoic? :eyeroll:

I don't use the same logic for my team. nicker:

[pjdoug]

I just think belfry could beat Pulaski, And yes JC did skull drag us last year, But we had a couple key guys out that game and hurt...and no way JC could've beat the Belfry team that showed up during the Playoffs because we was healthy..well I will say beat us that bad. And I totally agree with you about Southwestern...they were a good team last year but just couldn't get it together and they played a brutal schedule..this year they get the Doan kid, A very good coach,and the Fannin kid. This game is a good test for Belfry as it was last year..Both teams better bring their A game to win..

I like the Belfry program and you make some good points but I don't see them beating Pulaski County but never know. I'm sure the mountain top 10 will have a few changes after a few games into the season.

[pjdoug]

I don't use the same logic for my team. nicker:

by my logic I don't see my Whitley County team being ranked below Paintsville nicker:

[Craze JACKET man]

My Jackets are not even ranked by many.. I love it, I hope we are over looked..

[PHSForever]

Ok for the simple fact that you think Pikeville is a top 10 Mountain team proves that I know more about Football than you ever will. You guys couldn't beat East Ridge. And trust me there is not one Belfry Fan that would Crindge as to the type of Fan I am. But its Pikeville Fans like yourself that can't stand that Pikeville is not on top or even close to the middle in terms as best in the Mountains. And there is no need for me to DM you, I will just DC you..that's Directly Confront you to tell you all this to your face, and all in a classy way if you would like. And if you have family from Belfry you should've lived with them and went to Belfry so you could've been a winner. (That is if you could've been good enough to start) Reason #2 I'm smarter than you. Now can we stop I think Bluegrass Rivals should have a JV section so people like you can talk to people that your on the same level with.lol

Lol. I'm not wasting anymore time on you. Obviously it is pointless. You lost all credibility when you tries to claim Chase Hall wouldn't even touch the ball at Belfry. Good luck to the Pirates, good luck to your son. You seem to have a habit of trying to imply you're going to hunt people down, with all the hints about tracking IP addresses and directly confronting anyone who calls you out for anything. But you're welcome to try anytime. As for the JV section comment, I guess you would know, since you're obviously shouting from the cheap seats there.

[Real Badman]

Last warning.

[Pirate1991#8]

And I stand by my opinion that Chase Hall would not have touched the Ball at Belfry last year, no way he was better than any of our running backs in our stables. The only reason he rushed for as many yards against us last year is because it was in the second half against our JV..Now He might've played some defense or Special teams. And no cheap seats here, I make to much money for the cheap seats, as far as the IP address hunting down, I think anybody with a brain knows that's virtually impossible. What I am trying to say is I don't hide behind a screen name on here or any other site I am who I am, don't care to say it to anyone's face. Now am I implying I wanna fight someone "No" I'm simply having fun and I have no desire to fight or hurt someone..because if I was that type of person I certainly could...But to get to the point if I were to see you in person, I'd tell you the same thing I'm telling you now,and that is Pikeville is not even in the top 15 in Mountian Football, although I'd give ya top 20 and that being #20..and it's obvious you can't handle the pressure of someone messing with you and at the same time telling you that your Football team is not that very good. But hey if it makes you feel better I will go on record as saying PIKEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL IS A TOP TEN MOUNTIAN TEAM...that is if your only looking at Class A and AA. So I'm sorry if I scared you thinking I would hunt you down and hurt you..My days of Hurting people and bloodshed are over. So with that being said when we come to Pikeville this year at halftime I want you to go the the concession stand and just say Dennis Whitey Gibbs bought me a hotdog, a soft drink of your choice and a candy bar of your choice. On me pal..and in the future don't let a guy scare you and get under your skin, and thank you for taking the time to stalk my previous threads and comments...I feel special now...and thanks for wishing my team and my son Good luck..I wish Pikeville the same ans I hope you guys can get good enough to make the MOUNTIAN Top 10 one day..

[sports lover]

If you want to rank the number one team in the true mountains then it is Belfry by far. Now if you want to go out on a ledge and include the Pulaski County teams then you have to include Pulaski Co. With that being said, since YMT covers the Pulaski County area schools then I will put Pulaski at #1a and Belfry #1aa. I would love to see these two teams play. Two different styles of football.

[sports lover]

I think that most of you have Harlan County ranked too high. Trust me, I love Tom Larkey but this might be the weakest team he has had at Harlan County. By the end of the year they could be a regional contender who knows with Larkey but as of right now there is A LOT of question marks with this years team. A lot of talent coming back but a lot of talent lost. Losing Massey will hurt on both sides of the ball especially defensively. I also think Bell should be ranked above Corbin. Bell owns Corbin and last year was Corbin's chance to get the Bobcats. It won't happen this year either. Middlesboro will be interesting to watch also with all that has gone on there.

[RunItUpTheGut]

For me, a mountain top 10 is difficult to do. For one, if were looking at a beauty contest, then WYMT usually has it right on the money, but if were going head to head matchups, then it changes everything. The best example I can think of off the top of my head is Williamsburg last year. Great record, best 1A team in the east, only lost a few games. However, how many people ranked North Laurel last year to start the year? Very few, if any. Wburg met North Laurel and we seen what depth and have 1400 kids to a 100 kids will do in a football game. Wburg IMO was even on talent level for the 11 that was on the field, but North also had a line that was average to small for a 5A school, but overwhelmed Wburg when it mattered most.
This is why I don't get into the whole top 10 mountain thing much. If were ranking by who will have the best seasons and go the furthest in the playoffs, albeit 1A, 2A, etc, then its a totally different ball game than ranking them in terms of head to head matchups. Teams like Paintsville, etc could easily be ranked, but if they were to go up against any team in 5A region 4, could they win? Probably not, and those same teams wont be ranked in the top 10. Its not always the case, but most of the time it is.

[Buc Wild]

If you want to rank the number one team in the true mountains then it is Belfry by far. Now if you want to go out on a ledge and include the Pulaski County teams then you have to include Pulaski Co. With that being said, since YMT covers the Pulaski County area schools then I will put Pulaski at #1a and Belfry #1aa. I would love to see these two teams play. Two different styles of football.

I think this assessment is really fair and accurate. I think Pulaski deserves to be ranked pre-season #1 but....the contrasting styles is something to examine. I can't speculate as to what would happen but I know that Belfry's style if football changes the way the other team chooses to play. If we're talking finesse v. physical football I'm taking physical every time. I might be wrong on occasion and there will always be the intangibles that come into play, like turnovers, but all in all I think physicality at the high school level goes a long way and I'd put the physicality of our kids up against anyone's.

[pjdoug]

For me, a mountain top 10 is difficult to do. For one, if were looking at a beauty contest, then WYMT usually has it right on the money, but if were going head to head matchups, then it changes everything. The best example I can think of off the top of my head is Williamsburg last year. Great record, best 1A team in the east, only lost a few games. However, how many people ranked North Laurel last year to start the year? Very few, if any. Wburg met North Laurel and we seen what depth and have 1400 kids to a 100 kids will do in a football game. Wburg IMO was even on talent level for the 11 that was on the field, but North also had a line that was average to small for a 5A school, but overwhelmed Wburg when it mattered most.
This is why I don't get into the whole top 10 mountain thing much. If were ranking by who will have the best seasons and go the furthest in the playoffs, albeit 1A, 2A, etc, then its a totally different ball game than ranking them in terms of head to head matchups. Teams like Paintsville, etc could easily be ranked, but if they were to go up against any team in 5A region 4, could they win? Probably not, and those same teams wont be ranked in the top 10. Its not always the case, but most of the time it is.

right.I don't think true Mountain top 10 would consist of mostly 1A teams.

[pjdoug]

I think that most of you have Harlan County ranked too high. Trust me, I love Tom Larkey but this might be the weakest team he has had at Harlan County. By the end of the year they could be a regional contender who knows with Larkey but as of right now there is A LOT of question marks with this years team. A lot of talent coming back but a lot of talent lost. Losing Massey will hurt on both sides of the ball especially defensively. I also think Bell should be ranked above Corbin. Bell owns Corbin and last year was Corbin's chance to get the Bobcats. It won't happen this year either. Middlesboro will be interesting to watch also with all that has gone on there.

I think Corbin will surprise a lot of people this year.

[Pirate1991#8]

right.I don't think true Mountain top 10 would consist of mostly 1A teams.

That's my whole point with my rant with the Pikeville dude. You take teams like Letcher County and Perry County, Pikeville would get beat by them and they are never even mentioned in the top ten..You take teams like Jackson County and Mcreary ( I know I spelled that wrong) county that always get in the Playoffs in 3A just to get blew out in the first round. Pikeville probably couldn't beat them...I do dislike Pikeville always have...but they do have a couple of kids I like that are great boys with Good families, that being Jordan Scott and Cody Estepp. Would love to see them in Pirate Red. And I love their parents to death. For those two boys I would like to see pikeville get a ring In 1A..

[64SUR]

right.I don't think true Mountain top 10 would consist of mostly 1A teams.

I don't think wymt has a poll yet....But i bet hazard will be pretty high in the polls and pikeville....Think about it :popcorn:

[PHSForever]

My whole point that the Pirate1991 dude was missing, is that Pikeville constantly has a team year in and year out that usually earns a spot in anyone's top 10 of the mountains. Middlesboro loses quite a bit, and look what Pikeville did to them last year. The Prestonsburg game was close, and they are very strong, but Pikeville beat them too, and it wasn't just Chase Hall. Do I think we are better than Belfry? No. But if we had Belfry's numbers as a school, it would be more back and forth. This is a preseason top 10. I think they've earned the right to be in the mix for it.

And Pirate1991, you didn't even come close to "scaring" me, I was pointing out how you always try to threaten or hint at threaten people. I'll pass on the hotdog but thanks for the offer. Didn't even have to stalk your previous threads, it is easy to remember the more laughable comments.

[Big Five-0-]

I like the Belfry program and you make some good points but I don't see them beating Pulaski County but never know. I'm sure the mountain top 10 will have a few changes after a few games into the season.

That's always the way it is. After a few weeks, some will win, some will lose. Some will climb, some will fall.

[Warrior Grandpa]

Thanks' for mentioning Southwestern in some of your top 10's. Good to not be though of as and easy W on every ones schedule after last year. The Warriors will be relatively young at QB. with So. Brandon Pruitt(started a few games last yr.) and incoming FR. Mason Reese(broke Southerns passing record for season) battling it out this summer. Lots going on at Southwestern in a very positive way. May even get Danny Butt in uniform after not playing last year in 8th grade. With all the positive vibes there this year,and hard work, we may even crack that top ten.

[jetpilot]

And I stand by my opinion that Chase Hall would not have touched the Ball at Belfry last year, no way he was better than any of our running backs in our stables. The only reason he rushed for as many yards against us last year is because it was in the second half against our JV..Now He might've played some defense or Special teams. And no cheap seats here, I make to much money for the cheap seats, as far as the IP address hunting down, I think anybody with a brain knows that's virtually impossible. What I am trying to say is I don't hide behind a screen name on here or any other site I am who I am, don't care to say it to anyone's face. Now am I implying I wanna fight someone "No" I'm simply having fun and I have no desire to fight or hurt someone..because if I was that type of person I certainly could...But to get to the point if I were to see you in person, I'd tell you the same thing I'm telling you now,and that is Pikeville is not even in the top 15 in Mountian Football, although I'd give ya top 20 and that being #20..and it's obvious you can't handle the pressure of someone messing with you and at the same time telling you that your Football team is not that very good. But hey if it makes you feel better I will go on record as saying PIKEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL IS A TOP TEN MOUNTIAN TEAM...that is if your only looking at Class A and AA. So I'm sorry if I scared you thinking I would hunt you down and hurt you..My days of Hurting people and bloodshed are over. So with that being said when we come to Pikeville this year at halftime I want you to go the the concession stand and just say Dennis Whitey Gibbs bought me a hotdog, a soft drink of your choice and a candy bar of your choice. On me pal..and in the future don't let a guy scare you and get under your skin, and thank you for taking the time to stalk my previous threads and comments...I feel special now...and thanks for wishing my team and my son Good luck..I wish Pikeville the same ans I hope you guys can get good enough to make the MOUNTIAN Top 10 one day..

:biglmao::biglmao::biglmao::biglmao:

[Panther Thunder]

That's my whole point with my rant with the Pikeville dude. You take teams like Letcher County and Perry County, Pikeville would get beat by them and they are never even mentioned in the top ten..You take teams like Jackson County and Mcreary ( I know I spelled that wrong) county that always get in the Playoffs in 3A just to get blew out in the first round. Pikeville probably couldn't beat them...I do dislike Pikeville always have...but they do have a couple of kids I like that are great boys with Good families, that being Jordan Scott and Cody Estepp. Would love to see them in Pirate Red. And I love their parents to death. For those two boys I would like to see pikeville get a ring In 1A..

Don't necessarily disagree with the entire idea, as I believe the MTN Top 10 should be a ranking like EKU does during the season, a Power type ranking that bases performance for schools, taking into account size and evening it out. I think their is some mertit that the Class A schools would struggle with some lesser teams in bigger classes.

But I will just say, Pikeville absolutely dominated Perry in their scrimmage last year (I know, I know, scrimmage). Hazard beat Letcher a week after Pikeville beat them. And Pikeville handled Jackson County easily in a scrimmage in 2010 (Both programs have improved quite a bit since then). I don't think you give PHS enough credit and based on what Belfry fans sees once a year, you may be entitled, but not many teams have had much luck against BHS recently either.

[EKUAlum05]

Don't necessarily disagree with the entire idea, as I believe the MTN Top 10 should be a ranking like EKU does during the season, a Power type ranking that bases performance for schools, taking into account size and evening it out. I think their is some mertit that the Class A schools would struggle with some lesser teams in bigger classes.

But I will just say, Pikeville absolutely dominated Perry in their scrimmage last year (I know, I know, scrimmage). Hazard beat Letcher a week after Pikeville beat them. And Pikeville handled Jackson County easily in a scrimmage in 2010 (Both programs have improved quite a bit since then). I don't think you give PHS enough credit and based on what Belfry fans sees once a year, you may be entitled, but not many teams have had much luck against BHS recently either.

In most years there are about 5-7 teams who are in a different level all to themselves.... then there are about 10-12 teams that are give or take on equal footing... then another 5 or 6 who arent too far behind them... followed by the bad teams.

Usually:

Belfry
Bell
Johnson Central
Pulaski Co
Harlan County

Teams like Breathitt County, Knox Central, Somerset have been in that group off and on.

In most years your better 1A and 2A schools I have no doubt could go toe to toe or even beat the mediocre big schools in EKY. Hazard used to match up well with PCC. Somerset always matched up well with Southwestern and even Pulaski for a long time. Hazard has had a lot of success vs. Letcher Central. Whitley has had struggles against smaller schools. By and large the majority of the big schools in EKY are very pedestrian and in the bottom third of their respective classifications.

When you see the domination is when teams are in the relative same level at different classes. A #7 ranked 1A can compete with the 25th best 5A team.... but when they play the #7 3A team they lose by 24 points. When they play the #7 5A team they lose by 49 points. There is a sliding scale that happens for the most part.

A #5 1A team is comparable to:
#7 or #8 2A Team
#10 or #12 3A Team
#14 or #15 4A Team
# 20 or #22 5A Team
#25 or #27 6A Team

A team like Hazard most years can play with Somerset, or Pike Central, or Knox Central, or Perry Central, or Daviess County

When you are at the top of your class the scale typically shrinks...
#2 1A Team is comparable to the #2 or #3 2A
#5 or #6 3A
#9 or #10 4A
#12 or #13 5A
#15 or #16 6A

A team like Beechwood in most years can play with NewCath, or Bourbon County, or Ashland, or Franklin County, or Campbell County

As you go down in gets wider though..
#18 1A is comparable to #25 2A
#30 3A
Bottom 2 in 4A, 5A, 6A

In other words a team like a Paris in most years can play with a Shelby Valley, or an East Ridge, or an Iroqouis, or Logan County, or Marshall County

[Panther Thunder]

In most years there are about 5-7 teams who are in a different level all to themselves.... then there are about 10-12 teams that are give or take on equal footing... then another 5 or 6 who arent too far behind them... followed by the bad teams.

Usually:

Belfry
Bell
Johnson Central
Pulaski Co
Harlan County

Teams like Breathitt County, Knox Central, Somerset have been in that group off and on.

In most years your better 1A and 2A schools I have no doubt could go toe to toe or even beat the mediocre big schools in EKY. Hazard used to match up well with PCC. Somerset always matched up well with Southwestern and even Pulaski for a long time. Hazard has had a lot of success vs. Letcher Central. Whitley has had struggles against smaller schools. By and large the majority of the big schools in EKY are very pedestrian and in the bottom third of their respective classifications.

When you see the domination is when teams are in the relative same level at different classes. A #7 ranked 1A can compete with the 25th best 5A team.... but when they play the #7 3A team they lose by 24 points. When they play the #7 5A team they lose by 49 points. There is a sliding scale that happens for the most part.

A #5 1A team is comparable to:
#7 or #8 2A Team
#10 or #12 3A Team
#14 or #15 4A Team
# 20 or #22 5A Team
#25 or #27 6A Team

A team like Hazard most years can play with Somerset, or Pike Central, or Knox Central, or Perry Central, or Daviess County

When you are at the top of your class the scale typically shrinks...
#2 1A Team is comparable to the #2 or #3 2A
#5 or #6 3A
#9 or #10 4A
#12 or #13 5A
#15 or #16 6A

A team like Beechwood in most years can play with NewCath, or Bourbon County, or Ashland, or Franklin County, or Campbell County

As you go down in gets wider though..
#18 1A is comparable to #25 2A
#30 3A
Bottom 2 in 4A, 5A, 6A

In other words a team like a Paris in most years can play with a Shelby Valley, or an East Ridge, or an Iroqouis, or Logan County, or Marshall County

No doubt. Thank you for putting that into words.