[RoShamBo]

Freedom of Speech. It's a real thing.

[TheRealThing]

Freedom of Speech. It's a real thing.

LOL, so real in fact that you are off on assignment defending that freedom, in the Air Force?

[Stardust]

Freedom of Speech. It's a real thing.

In this case, it is not freedom of speech. Though I would agree that our inalienable right is freedom of expression, but your inalienable rights ARE superseded by your employer! We all have a right to express our beliefs, but your employer has the RIGHT to establish their own declarations in which trumps your right to WORK! In this case, Phil broke the rules. All of us who work our bound by the restrictions given to us in our employment agreement, and should we decide to step beyond those boundaries, we should not try to use the Constitution or the Bible to correct the knowing rules that we agreed to when accepting employment!

I share Phil's moral position, but I absolutely under zero circumstances will express those beliefs in an environment that breaks my contract to my employer! Phil can afford to say "SCREW A&E", but for all here who are jumping on Phil's bandwagon, tell us all how it goes when you go to your place of employment and express those same beliefs and you sacrifice your families well being because of it! There are a lot of you, I hope that you get a new job and can take care of your families pretty quickly.......

A&E has a right to create their rules of employment and whomever signs that contract knows what they are signing! Phil was correctly punished because he purposely neglected his employers concerns. This is not to say that A&E does not support Phil's stance, but that is not right for business. I applaud A&E for being consistent in their rules for employment! Nobody on this site bitched or threatened boycott of A&E when they canned Dog the Bounty Hunter for his racial slurs, which were a violation of the contract for employment, but now everyone has an issue with A&E over this??????

[Panther Thunder]

In this case, it is not freedom of speech. Though I would agree that our inalienable right is freedom of expression, but your inalienable rights ARE superseded by your employer! We all have a right to express our beliefs, but your employer has the RIGHT to establish their own declarations in which trumps your right to WORK! In this case, Phil broke the rules. All of us who work our bound by the restrictions given to us in our employment agreement, and should we decide to step beyond those boundaries, we should not try to use the Constitution or the Bible to correct the knowing rules that we agreed to when accepting employment!

I share Phil's moral position, but I absolutely under zero circumstances will express those beliefs in an environment that breaks my contract to my employer! Phil can afford to say "SCREW A&E", but for all here who are jumping on Phil's bandwagon, tell us all how it goes when you go to your place of employment and express those same beliefs and you sacrifice your families well being because of it! There are a lot of you, I hope that you get a new job and can take care of your families pretty quickly.......

A&E has a right to create their rules of employment and whomever signs that contract knows what they are signing! Phil was correctly punished because he purposely neglected his employers concerns. This is not to say that A&E does not support Phil's stance, but that is not right for business. I applaud A&E for being consistent in their rules for employment! Nobody on this site bitched or threatened boycott of A&E when they canned Dog the Bounty Hunter for his racial slurs, which were a violation of the contract for employment, but now everyone has an issue with A&E over this??????

Thank you lol

[TheRealThing]

In this case, it is not freedom of speech. Though I would agree that our inalienable right is freedom of expression, but your inalienable rights ARE superseded by your employer! We all have a right to express our beliefs, but your employer has the RIGHT to establish their own declarations in which trumps your right to WORK! In this case, Phil broke the rules. All of us who work our bound by the restrictions given to us in our employment agreement, and should we decide to step beyond those boundaries, we should not try to use the Constitution or the Bible to correct the knowing rules that we agreed to when accepting employment!

I share Phil's moral position, but I absolutely under zero circumstances will express those beliefs in an environment that breaks my contract to my employer! Phil can afford to say "SCREW A&E", but for all here who are jumping on Phil's bandwagon, tell us all how it goes when you go to your place of employment and express those same beliefs and you sacrifice your families well being because of it! There are a lot of you, I hope that you get a new job and can take care of your families pretty quickly.......

A&E has a right to create their rules of employment and whomever signs that contract knows what they are signing! Phil was correctly punished because he purposely neglected his employers concerns. This is not to say that A&E does not support Phil's stance, but that is not right for business. I applaud A&E for being consistent in their rules for employment! Nobody on this site bitched or threatened boycott of A&E when they canned Dog the Bounty Hunter for his racial slurs, which were a violation of the contract for employment, but now everyone has an issue with A&E over this??????

I know what you're saying. Obviously Phil was not at work when he gave that interview. Is there no situation in which he could ever be candid about his biblical beliefs without his employer having the right to can him?

[SKINNYPIG]

In this case, it is not freedom of speech. Though I would agree that our inalienable right is freedom of expression, but your inalienable rights ARE superseded by your employer! We all have a right to express our beliefs, but your employer has the RIGHT to establish their own declarations in which trumps your right to WORK! In this case, Phil broke the rules. All of us who work our bound by the restrictions given to us in our employment agreement, and should we decide to step beyond those boundaries, we should not try to use the Constitution or the Bible to correct the knowing rules that we agreed to when accepting employment!

I share Phil's moral position, but I absolutely under zero circumstances will express those beliefs in an environment that breaks my contract to my employer! Phil can afford to say "SCREW A&E", but for all here who are jumping on Phil's bandwagon, tell us all how it goes when you go to your place of employment and express those same beliefs and you sacrifice your families well being because of it! There are a lot of you, I hope that you get a new job and can take care of your families pretty quickly.......

A&E has a right to create their rules of employment and whomever signs that contract knows what they are signing! Phil was correctly punished because he purposely neglected his employers concerns. This is not to say that A&E does not support Phil's stance, but that is not right for business. I applaud A&E for being consistent in their rules for employment! Nobody on this site bitched or threatened boycott of A&E when they canned Dog the Bounty Hunter for his racial slurs, which were a violation of the contract for employment, but now everyone has an issue with A&E over this??????

If employers ever learn to read minds, we're all fired!

[TheRealThing]

Just heard that Cracker Barrel pulled Duck Dynasty merchandise.

[Stardust]

I know what you're saying. Obviously Phil was not at work when he gave that interview. Is there no situation in which he could ever be candid about his biblical beliefs without his employer having the right to can him?

Not if you are bound with a contract with your employer. If you want to sign away your rights of freedom to your employer, then you live in a bubble that no longer allows you to be you. Dog was fired because of a private phone recording between he and his son was leaked to the media, and because of the comments that Dog made, he violated the terms of his employment. If you want to work for any type of entertainment or media outlet, you will be terminated for not being GRAY! Most every person who has been canned from a media type job has been because of giving a view that the company has told not to! You work for the media, you work 24/7!

[zaga_fan]

I work for the media and I'm not even an on-air personality...
but I would imagine the stipulations of my employment are almost identical to Phil's.

But I can honestly say that If I would have given the interview that he did to any reporter (the guy from GQ isn't a reporter btw, he's a potty-mouthed sensationalist) I wouldn't have been suspended for it...

I would have been FIRED unless my boss was willing to let me bow out gracefully and step down.

[TheRealThing]

Not if you are bound with a contract with your employer. If you want to sign away your rights of freedom to your employer, then you live in a bubble that no longer allows you to be you. Dog was fired because of a private phone recording between he and his son was leaked to the media, and because of the comments that Dog made, he violated the terms of his employment. If you want to work for any type of entertainment or media outlet, you will be terminated for not being GRAY! Most every person who has been canned from a media type job has been because of giving a view that the company has told not to! You work for the media, you work 24/7!

Yeah, I know that's the way it is for politicians. Anything they say can be brought up against them in the court of public opinion.

[LOOKAYANNER]

Phil got caught in a setup by this GQ guy. He asked him a question knowing that if he did answer it he would answer a certain way due to his religious background. If I had been Phil I wouldn't have fallen into that trap. I would have said, "Nice try dude but not today. Next question."

[Ballers]

I don't care about him saying what he said.
Don't like the show, hate the show.
This is part of the reason the southern states have a bad name.

[SKINNYPIG]

I don't care about him saying what he said.
Don't like the show, hate the show.
This is part of the reason the southern states have a bad name.

Maybe some of us don't care who gives Southern states a "bad name". Just which states have the authority to give bad names to particular states and regions, and where/how did they get that authority? Just plain silly.

[panther nation]

I don't care about him saying what he said.
Don't like the show, hate the show.
This is part of the reason the southern states have a bad name.

:lame:

[RunItUpTheGut]

Funny. I thought it was the northern states with the bad names.

[Ballers]

I was referring to him acting like a redneck.

[Granny Bear]

^^
Oh, yeah...definitely red necked!! LOL

Jeff Foxworthy defines redneck as being "a glorious lack of sophistication".

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...p=features


This only strengthens my support of Phil Robertson.

[Ballers]

Might as well put him in the same boat Granny Bear.
They get paid to make fun of our heritage and where we are from.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
I thought you were from Canada nicker:

[zaga_fan]

Maybe some of us don't care who gives Southern states a "bad name". Just which states have the authority to give bad names to particular states and regions, and where/how did they get that authority? Just plain silly.

No one has the authority to officially name any state anything...
but that doesn't stop the south from unofficially being known as big-mouthed, closed-minded, uneducated redneck country.

I don't have a problem with Phil's stance on homosexuality - heck, I pretty much share the same one - but what got him in hot water was the way he went about it.

He can quote the Bible all day and not get in too much hot water (you'll get in some though. i.e. blessed when those persecute you for My name's sake) but when you say "c'mon guys, a vagina is more attractive than a man's anus" you're openly inviting trouble.

But sadly, we've all fell for this hook, line and sinker.
A&E "suspended" Phil for a few days while we took to the internet talking about it and now he's "back".
Take a guess at what is on A&E right now.
Duck Dynasty marathon...

[SKINNYPIG]

It's a sad day when saying that a vagina should more attractive to a man than a man's anus invites trouble. We're neck deep in trouble.

[SKINNYPIG]

As a man, while referring to men, saying/thinking/believing "a vagina is more attractive than a man's anus" makes me and my brothers here in the south big-mouthed, closed-minded, uneducated rednecks, then so be it.

Big mouthed I can somewhat go along with. What education did I miss that should have taught me that both a man's anus and a woman's vagina should be equally appealing to men? Which part of my mind is closed that causes me to NOT think both a man's anus and a woman's vagina should be equally appealing to men?

[zaga_fan]

As a man, while referring to men, saying/thinking/believing "a vagina is more attractive than a man's anus" makes me and my brothers here in the south big-mouthed, closed-minded, uneducated rednecks, then so be it.

Big mouthed I can somewhat go along with. What education did I miss that should have taught me that both a man's anus and a woman's vagina should be equally appealing to men? Which part of my mind is closed that causes me to NOT think both a man's anus and a woman's vagina should be equally appealing to men?

Believe me...
I am a fan of vaginas and repulsed by men's anuses...

but me sharing that opinion openly to a nationally published magazine wouldn't exactly be the smartest thing I've ever done. That's why it comes off as uneducated. Big-mouthed and closed-minded is a given.

[SKINNYPIG]

Believe me...
I am a fan of vaginas and repulsed by men's anuses...

but me sharing that opinion openly to a nationally published magazine wouldn't exactly be the smartest thing I've ever done. That's why it comes off as uneducated. Big-mouthed and closed-minded is a given.

I see and understand your point about how it "comes off" differently to some people. Personally, I like blunt, clear and concise answers when asking questions.

You would think that adults that subscribe to magazines (or any adult for that matter) could have a discussion about vaginas and anuses without being offended. Both the vagina and the anus are very important parts of the human anatomy.

You just said on a public forum that you are "repulsed by men's anuses". Watch out ZF, your status may be dropped a notch or two by BGR.

This whole thing is becoming funny. I can't believe someting like this gets so many people bent out of shape. The United States of The Offended.

[zaga_fan]

I see and understand your point about how it "comes off" differently to some people. Personally, I like blunt, clear and concise answers when asking questions.

You would think that adults that subscribe to magazines (or any adult for that matter) could have a discussion about vaginas and anuses without being offended. Both the vagina and the anus are very important parts of the human anatomy.

You just said on a public forum that you are "repulsed by men's anuses". Watch out ZF, your status may be dropped a notch or two by BGR.

This whole thing is becoming funny. I can't believe someting like this gets so many people bent out of shape. The United States of The Offended.

I just want to know why Phil Robertson thought it was a good idea to get interviewed by GQ...

He had to know that they were coming for him.

[TheRealThing]

^ Like I said. It's one thing to have the sexually depraved among us, allowing them to exist peacefully in a free land. It's quite another to pass laws giving their lifestyle credibility. That is the only thing that has changed. Men once condemned the homosexual lifestyle, citing the scriptures as their authority to take that position. Calling out the sin only, and not pointing any fingers or revealing the identities of any they suspected as being gay. The military called this live and let live concept Don't Ask Don't Tell. Seems reasonable enough to me.

That wasn't good enough for the so-called LGBT community. Nope, in their minds it was high time their sexual bents were validated and, by the very ones who had been condemning them. Using the crown jewel of American idealism, our system of courts, activist judges and even a president friendly to their cause, gave the LGBT an incredible boost, which is now standing on it's own feet. And, now that DADT has been repealed, how things have changed. All of a sudden, it's as if the notion that such acts are born of sin is totally antiquated. So, even though we have a majority of Americans who think homosexuality is wrong by God's standards, our own system of courts have mercilessly attacked God's law and the wishes of His own. Satan has therefore managed to circumvent God's law using the very bastion of morality, America, to do it. I mean, think about it, the USA is getting lectured by the likes of hardline communist Vladimir Putin for it's wide open stance on homosexuality. :yikes: One little repeal later and the victory, in liberal minds, is won. At some point liberals will be sending in the thought police to enforce this new morality, you can bet on it cause A&E just tried it and were obviously wrong about how the Dynasty folks would take it.

In other words, though these guys could never win the argument with God's people, which suggests the idea that homosexuality is really ok, they figured out a way to win anyway. We've been legislated into submission. And folks, legislation is enforceable 100% of the time. There is only one way to deal with things like this and it's exactly the manner in which Duck Dynasty chose to deal with A&E. To a man, they all stood up for the validity of God's Word. This whole deal about men running over God's law no matter the forum, is nothing more than the manifestations of rebellion. The rebellion started aeons ago, when Satan and those who rebelled with him were thrown down out of Heaven and continues to this day in the hearts of men. But, not all men. To some men, more important than all of the eloquent lies of men, is the truth of God.

But, all this goes to show the slings and arrows one will endure as the time of AntiChrist draws closer.

[nky]

by the way the 'suspension" has been lifted. He will be excluded from any of the filming

[RunItUpTheGut]

Phils back

I guess A&E seen the majority of there views were coming from this side.
Shows you money is all its ever about. Im sure the homosexuality communities are mad there friends at A&E left them nicker:

[TheRealThing]

by the way the 'suspension" has been lifted. He will be excluded from any of the filming

I hadn't see that in the articles I've seen about Phil. I did see this; "A&E has decided to resume filming Duck Dynasty later this spring with the entire Robertson family," it declared.

Since Robertson didn't miss any filming during his suspension, the so-caled hiatus had zero effect on the upcoming fifth season, The Hollywood Reporter noted."
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/duck-dy...z2omoMlEHh

A&E knows that everybody is prepared to walk if Phil is not restored fully. TV execs tried to come down on him in the name of social justice and I'd bet there wasn't one member of Duck Dynasty that didn't stand with him in solidarity. You can bet that once they got all seated around the table and the big meeting got started, there wasn't a lot of blinking going on by the Robertson family. Guys like this aren't going to let anybody blow a bunch of smoke up their drawers. Homosexuality is wrong. And, after adding the elaborate arguments to the contrary by modern liberals, IT'S STILL WRONG. I would take the red neck approach to morality any day. It's a much clearer train of thought.

Gut is right in my view. All it's ever about is the money and A&E basically started sawing the limb off they were sitting on, as soon as they supposedly canned Phil. Frankly, I believe there were two major miscalculations made. The outpouring of support from fans for one and the fact that the other family members placed their relationship with their father above the money A&E was paying them. People in the entertainment business never really get past their own imaginations and are very susceptible to the whimsical fantasies associated with liberalism. Up until reality hit, the higher ups at A&E probably had visions of medals hanging around their necks at some awards ceremony for their work in civil rights, LOL.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
I think NKY meant "included"