[Hoot Gibson]

Like I said, I have no problem with someone wanting to rank JC ahead of Belfry because of the win against Belfry, but as the old saying goes "that was last year". JC has become a powerhouse football team in recent years and should be the favorite in their district. But they lose more talent than alot want to give into. They are losing their Mr. Football in Jude, which will be hard to replace IMO. I do understand the whole Ashland is not a mountain team idea, but I was simply bringing out the entire picture. Yes, JC beat Belfry and IMO dominated the game, but by showing entire picture of how Belfry beat Ashland and Ashland dominating JC, showed that JC is not that far ahead of Belfry.

But I never said that JC should be ranked ahead of Belfry, so I am not sure what point your are trying to make by addressing your comments to me. All I said is that JC just finished a successful rebuilding year and should be included in anybody's top 10. There was no slight intended or made toward Belfry.

[Crossbones]

But I never said that JC should be ranked ahead of Belfry, so I am not sure what point your are trying to make by addressing your comments to me. All I said is that JC just finished a successful rebuilding year and should be included in anybody's top 10. There was no slight intended or made toward Belfry.

I never said that you did rank JC above Belfry. I said "someone". Shot, it would be hard not to after them beating Belfry straight up. The point of addressing you when I make a comment is because you stepped in and answered a post made to honestjchsfan and quoted me. So, I was simply repling to your post, no big deal. I did not take yours and anyone elses post as a slight toward Belfry. Just gettin in on the conversation.

[BellCoFaithful]

No HC fan including myself penciled us in for the state game, did some predict yes, but most of the predictions came from outside Harlan County, which built a bunch of pressure but there was not a bunch of fans picking us to go.
2 state titles, congrats. How long have you existed 50 years?

How long did it take you to win a region title?

It took us 3.

Oh you guys . I don't know how to put this without sounding rude, or obnoxious..but you wonder why the good folks of Bell County don't show you much respect. I'll tell you, because of stuff like this. Most of you HC fans, not all, I enjoy a few, I enjoy talking to some. But a hefty majority of you guys, since Harlan County merged 3 years ago, you've acted as if you should be handed respect because your HC and have the potential to be good. From the first time Bell played HC and whipped them all over the place all I heard was "it's just the first year, wait 2-3 years and Bell will be begging to be dropped from the schedule" We've waited. You gave us one good game..but flopped in the 4th quarter. In that one good game, a couple bone heads tarnished it for me by yelling at the kids. Act like You've been there before, give respect where it's due, and earn your own respect..don't expect it to be handed to you. You guys have a great team, you really do. But you wanna throw up 2 state titles in 50 years compared to your 1 region in 3? Guess what...2 state titles is better than 1 region. and the majority of those years, we had to contend with the likes of Highlands, Lex Cath, Boyle, tough as nails Ashland teams just to even hope to make it to state. HC ran into Highlands once and folded. Just to point out as well what I think Bobcat_Dad and Amped is getting at saying HC puts to much into the Bell game, You guys looked like you was gonna cruise into the state championship before Bell, then looked flat every week after the Bell game. Like an emotional hangover of sorts.

[HCFollower1]

This years game could possibly be closer than last years was. IMO!

[Hoot Gibson]

I never said that you did rank JC above Belfry. I said "someone". Shot, it would be hard not to after them beating Belfry straight up. The point of addressing you when I make a comment is because you stepped in and answered a post made to honestjchsfan and quoted me. So, I was simply repling to your post, no big deal. I did not take yours and anyone elses post as a slight toward Belfry. Just gettin in on the conversation.

No problem - but I replied to the points that you made in your post. You quoted me and replied to points that I never made. I just want to clarify what I did and did not say in my own posts.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I missed the part where someone from HCHS said the success of their season depended on the Bell game.

Noone has said that, but it sure looks like thats been the case the last 3 years...

[HDE]

How does it look like that?
Harlan County has won six playoff games over the past three years after the Bell losses. You'd have to go back to the 1980s to find that kind of success in the postseason in Harlan County.

[Amped 88]

How does it look like that?
Harlan County has won six playoff games over the past three years after the Bell losses. You'd have to go back to the 1980s to find that kind of success in the postseason in Harlan County.

It took three schools to get together to get it done also. And your point is? My point is that HC has put too much into beating Bell you could see it the night they rolled into Log Mtn. We will see you guys on Oct.

[HDE]

It took three schools getting together?
And Bell County won how many playoff games before consolidation?
I'm guessing they'd be behind Cumberland, Cawood, Evarts and Lynch.

[Amped 88]

It took three schools getting together?
And Bell County won how many playoff games before consolidation?
I'm guessing they'd be behind Cumberland, Cawood, Evarts and Lynch.

None but Bell County didn't have any schools that had football like the three that HC did. Good luck HC we wils lsee you guys in Oct. You all are still wishing you were like Bell.

[HDE]

The old Bell County High School had football forever. I didn't think they had ever made the playoffs.
Lone Jack had football for several years.

Harlan County's football tradition of success goes back to the 1950s when Lynch started winning state championships.
Cumberland won numerous district titles and, I think, four regional titles and finished as state runner-up three times.
Evarts won four district titles and a regional championship in 1990.
Cawood won four district title and a regional championship in 1975.

Harlan County doesn't have to wish they were like anybody. They have a long tradition of football success that doesn't just go back to the 1990s.

[Amped 88]

Haven't had any since is what I am referring to. Since Bell has taken over there hasn't been any success for the Harlan Co teams. Just go back to writing your newspaper articles and Bell will be there in Oct. That will give you something to write about.

[HDE]

Give me something to write about? What does writing newspaper articles have to do with Mountain Football 2012?
No success for Harlan County? Harlan County won one regional title and two district championships in four years. You don't think that's a good start? Can you remember anyone starting better in southeastern Kentucky?

[BOBCAT-BLACK & GOLD]

Bell..

[HDE]

Bell what?

[goBIGblue82]

I will start out with a WAY EARLY mountain top 10 without much knowledge.
This is just a guesss as to what i seen last year and what we can expect this year.
Keep in mind, this is way early, and other people will know more about a lot of the teams than i do, so ill start out a top 10 and maybe we can all use our knowledge to try and garner up a top 10 preseason ranking.

1. Bell County (I know, Belfry was one point a way from a state championship over a team that shut Bell out. BUT, Belfry should look at this as a challenge to keep winning and wait until Bell falls, which is possible thiss year. Strictly going by mountain football, Bell hass only lost to 4 mountain teams since the 2000 season. Prestonsburg once, Corbin once, Whitley County once, and Rockcastle County a few times. Im surprised to see how Wayne Mills keeps that program running now that Bell is left with a few question marks. Davenport is gone, yet Polley returns as one of the most underrated players in the mountains. I dont think Bell will dominate mountain teams like they have in the past in 2012, but i fully expect them to be in the mix come next Novemeber.)

You need to do a better job with your statistical research. Bell County has only lost to 4 mountain teams since the 2000 season. But you are incorrect on the amount of times they have lost to these teams. They lost to Whitley once, P'Burg twice(0-2 against P'Burg), and Corbin three times(5-3 against Corbin since 2000). As far as losing to Rockcastle a few times, they have lost to Rock 8 times (an overall 10-8 record against them). They also lost to Boyd County which can be argued whether or not they are part of mountain football. So yeah I agree Bell County has been dominant against some of the weaker mountain teams over the last decade, but it's not like they have dominated all of the mountains. Just as Corbin they have been the benefactor of an easy schedule. BTW during this span they didn't have to play any great Belfry or Breathitt teams.

[99PIRATEFAN]

Where not talking about the past ten years where talking about this year and next year
what do you thank Bell was better then Harlan was they better than Belfry this year
how will these two teams stack up next year.

[fieldofdreams]

Where not talking about the past ten years where talking about this year and next year
what do you thank Bell was better then Harlan was they better than Belfry this year
how will these two teams stack up next year.

Ten years ago is a long time... I agree with you 99Piratefan

IMHO, Bell would have gotten their "BELL" rang twice this year had they played Belfry! Too much heart, determination, endurance, and flat out WANT TO for this Belfry team to quit!

I look forward to watching the Pirates next year. A LOT of the boys have taken it upon themselves to strive to make themselves strong, faster, and better. They are continuing to work out and have meeting amongst themselves. Very proud of those Pirates!

[99PIRATEFAN]

I am close friends with all these boys and they have been working
hard every day Sani has been working out every day so he will be
ready and he is pump it is going to be a good year good luck Pirates.

[RunItUpTheGut]

You need to do a better job with your statistical research. Bell County has only lost to 4 mountain teams since the 2000 season. But you are incorrect on the amount of times they have lost to these teams. They lost to Whitley once, P'Burg twice(0-2 against P'Burg), and Corbin three times(5-3 against Corbin since 2000). As far as losing to Rockcastle a few times, they have lost to Rock 8 times (an overall 10-8 record against them). They also lost to Boyd County which can be argued whether or not they are part of mountain football. So yeah I agree Bell County has been dominant against some of the weaker mountain teams over the last decade, but it's not like they have dominated all of the mountains. Just as Corbin they have been the benefactor of an easy schedule. BTW during this span they didn't have to play any great Belfry or Breathitt teams.

Oh shut up.
It was more of an effort than anyone else put up.
I believe everyone still got my point.
Yes Bell is still king of the mountain.
You blind ignorance and hatred for Bell that youve shown in the middie school forum makes you look even worse.

Quit trying to troll, you suck at it.

[goBIGblue82]

Oh shut up.
It was more of an effort than anyone else put up.
I believe everyone still got my point.
Yes Bell is still king of the mountain.
You blind ignorance and hatred for Bell that youve shown in the middie school forum makes you look even worse.

Quit trying to troll, you suck at it.

I was just proving my point that you do no research before you post statistical information on this site. You act like you're giving factual information, however the majority of the time it is flawed info. I'm not a fan of Bell, yet I didn't dispute their dominance over the last few years. My only problem is with you and taking sports debates and turning them into personal pissing contests.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I was just proving my point that you do no research before you post statistical information on this site. You act like you're giving factual information, however the majority of the time it is flawed info. I'm not a fan of Bell, yet I didn't dispute their dominance over the last few years. My only problem is with you and taking sports debates and turning them into personal pissing contests.

It seems you have a recurring role of complete whining in every thread i see you in.
:Sad04:

[HG_Bullfrogs]

I was just proving my point that you do no research before you post statistical information on this site. You act like you're giving factual information, however the majority of the time it is flawed info. I'm not a fan of Bell, yet I didn't dispute their dominance over the last few years. My only problem is with you and taking sports debates and turning them into personal pissing contests.

Agreed, glad someone saw it also.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Agreed, glad someone saw it also.

It's not about that.
Its the fact that he took the time to troll around and actually went to khsaa.org (which i didnt) just to try to prove me wrong on something.
People with lifes dont spend hours looking for something to prove somebody wrong.

I was however right that only four teams had beaten them, sorry about the specifics. It was about the top ten, which until proven otherwise, i was right in putting Bell at number one.

His hatred for Bell (even though he doesnt admit it) shows in every thread that ive seen bell mentioned in where he also post. Im no Bell fan but i do have respect for them and am not afraid to admit there excellence over the last decade.

And before you ask big blue, no i will not go back and research for hours quoting post where you did that like you ask on every other single thread.

[goBIGblue82]

I was just proving my point that you do no research before you post statistical information on this site. You act like you're giving factual information, however the majority of the time it is flawed info. I'm not a fan of Bell, yet I didn't dispute their dominance over the last few years. My only problem is with you and taking sports debates and turning them into personal pissing contests.

It's not about that.
Its the fact that he took the time to troll around and actually went to khsaa.org (which i didnt) just to try to prove me wrong on something.
People with lifes dont spend hours looking for something to prove somebody wrong.

I was however right that only four teams had beaten them, sorry about the specifics. It was about the top ten, which until proven otherwise, i was right in putting Bell at number one.

His hatred for Bell (even though he doesnt admit it) shows in every thread that ive seen bell mentioned in where he also post. Im no Bell fan but i do have respect for them and am not afraid to admit there excellence over the last decade.

And before you ask big blue, no i will not go back and research for hours quoting post where you did that like you ask on every other single thread.

Are you Illiterate or just that ignorant? I said I wasn't a Bell fan, however I've admitted to their dominance over the last 7-8 years. I didn't have to try to prove you wrong as soon as I got on this forum to check out predictions for this upcoming season and read your post I knew the info was incorrect. It only took me 5 minutes to reinforce my knowledge by following up with KHSAA.org. People with lives don't turn sports debates into personal attacks of others.

[TigerBlues]

One thing that will be interesting this year will be the qb decision at Paintsville. With last year's qb having knee surgery, the Tigers will most likely be relying on a freshman to direct the offense and not the one that held the position in middle school. After watching BMR coach for years one thing I know is that he will put the people in place that gives them the best chance to win. Sure to ruffel Tiger fur when he names a linebacker from middle school to qb if last year's starter cannot go. BMR knows the edge and toughness the kid brings. Of course this is rumor now but we will see.

[3wishes]

One thing that will be interesting this year will be the qb decision at Paintsville. With last year's qb having knee surgery, the Tigers will most likely be relying on a freshman to direct the offense and not the one that held the position in middle school. After watching BMR coach for years one thing I know is that he will put the people in place that gives them the best chance to win. Sure to ruffel Tiger fur when he names a linebacker from middle school to qb if last year's starter cannot go. BMR knows the edge and toughness the kid brings. Of course this is rumor now but we will see.

^
Middle school kids cannot play high school.
Reference : Dennis Johnson Rule

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
Correct. you only have 4 years of eligibility in high school football.

I believe 8th graders can play freshman or jv ball and get away with it if there coach is slick.

[harlanfan0987]

I knew Harlan was really depleted in there second match against Wburg.
What all does Harlan bring back? I thought they had lost a lot more than they did. Did Saragus grdaute? Who will replace him?
I know Wburg returns pretty much everybody as well. They will even get 1 or 2 fresshmen that could see ome good minutes at the receiver position, which at Wburg is good to have and they could start subbing receiver after receiver in and it could be hard for some defenses to stop.

Saragas Did not Graduate. They return Saragas(9), Logan(15), Boggs(63), Jones(76),Overbay(44), Young(2), Williams(26), Atkins(47), Morris(32),Brock(55), Jones(29), Laws(62), Enlow(67).

I see Harlan stepping it up, they had an outstanding team last season, blew a chance of dethrowning hazard in their district match up due to injuries. If Harlan stays healthy, they will be very tough to beat.

[TigerBlues]

^
Middle school kids cannot play high school.
Reference : Dennis Johnson Rule

He will be coming in as a freshman. My bad