15th region draw

trufan · 02-27-2011, 10:02 AM

OTH, first of all this is a friendly response to your posts. I am from Pike County and I agree with you about not liking the 3 team districts, however I dislike them for different reasons and I envy your district with more teams. You see, I am from the era when Pike County had two 5 team districts, yes 10 teams in Pike County and only 4 of them got to the region. I liked the competition, the rivalries that took place, it made for a better atmosphere to play in, now with consolodation, yes we get 4 teams in the region, but it has taken away so much away from Pike County basketball that you wouldn't want, so as much as you envy our 3 team districts, I for one envy your much more competitive district and the pride that was once in Pike county for winning a 59th or 60th district.

**OffTheHook** · 02-27-2011, 10:42 AM

trufan Wrote:OTH, first of all this is a friendly response to your posts. I am from Pike County and I agree with you about not liking the 3 team districts, however I dislike them for different reasons and I envy your district with more teams. You see, I am from the era when Pike County had two 5 team districts, yes 10 teams in Pike County and only 4 of them got to the region. I liked the competition, the rivalries that took place, it made for a better atmosphere to play in, now with consolodation, yes we get 4 teams in the region, but it has taken away so much away from Pike County basketball that you wouldn't want, so as much as you envy our 3 team districts, I for one envy your much more competitive district and the pride that was once in Pike county for winning a 59th or 60th district.

I don't envy the three teams Districts. Trust me on that. I just don't like the fact that it is continuously allowed, when a solution CAN be made. I am just speaking of it's unfairness to the rest of the Region for having to "earn" their way into the Region by actually having to win at least one game in a District Tourney.

**Recznik** · 02-27-2011, 10:57 AM

This looks great its balanced I see this IMO;

PC vs JC

PHS vs BLHS

championship game will be, BLHS vs JC....GOBIGBLUE:popcorn:

in the championship...

Ladycats vs Ladycards....GOLADYCATS!!!

trufan · 02-27-2011, 11:02 AM

OffTheHook Wrote:I don't envy the three teams Districts. Trust me on that. I just don't like the fact that it is continuously allowed, when a solution CAN be made. I am just speaking of it's unfairness to the rest of the Region for having to "earn" their way into the Region by actually having to win at least one game in a District Tourney.

If you truly want fairness, then how about just doing away with district tournaments, use the season games for seeding and allow everyone to play in the 15th region tournament. That way everyone has a fair shake at winning the whole thing and going to state. You have a great arguement, however, in the foreseeable future, nothing is going to change.

**OffTheHook** · 02-27-2011, 11:07 AM

trufan Wrote:If you truly want fairness, then how about just doing away with district tournaments, use the season games for seeding and allow everyone to play in the 15th region tournament. That way everyone has a fair shake at winning the whole thing and going to state. You have a great arguement, however, in the foreseeable future, nothing is going to change.

I can handle that idea...lol. Still do the District Tourney and then seed everyone after that. Nice! :Thumbs:

**15thRegionSlamaBamma** · 02-27-2011, 11:11 AM

The only feasable resolution to your argument OTH would be send BL to the 59th and SC to the 60th. Which the idea was passed around when the super district was dissovled and BL nor SC wanted to do so. Now if this was to happen I for one only see one of the 4 not making the regional tournament and that would have been Shelby Valley. I would agree that this is a possible resolution but untill the two teams mentioned above want to make this change i dont see it happening.

**OffTheHook** · 02-27-2011, 11:47 AM

I thought that the KHSAA determined who went where. They sure as heck do in football. They're always moving teams around there and the teams don't have any say so.
I know I'm kicking a dead horse. BUT, if enough people kick a dead horse at the same time...it will move....lol. I also think it's funny that "everyone" pretty much agrees. But, only one or two stop it. I thought majority ruled.

**15thRegionSlamaBamma** · 02-27-2011, 02:43 PM

OffTheHook Wrote:I thought that the KHSAA determined who went where. They sure as heck do in football. They're always moving teams around there and the teams don't have any say so.
I know I'm kicking a dead horse. BUT, if enough people kick a dead horse at the same time...it will move....lol. I also think it's funny that "everyone" pretty much agrees. But, only one or two stop it. I thought majority ruled.

The KHSAA does have the last say however, there is a proposal process as well. In addition they take a look at travel etc when looking at circumstances such as this. IMO if the economy was not in the shape it was it would be more feasable to go to the 4 team 59th and 60th. However, based on gas prices and travel at this time it is not feasable to send BL to ER once a year and vice versa. While I am aware SF seems way out there its actually closer than ER, same as Valley is correlation with Allen Central.

However, I do like the idea of getting rid of the district tournament and then take the 15 team region and making it one large tournament. In essense though with that each team would viable have to play a home and away series in a season (28 games) which is not a realistic idea. Or we could divide into an East and West. Where you play a home and away with the teams in each conference then play 4 out of conference opponents. Top 6 based on Conference record make the tournament. Bottom 4 play play-in-games (4-5 for each to play the top ranked team) others are seeded. Thus you would have 1-4 East 1-4 West. Just and idea though.

**OffTheHook** · 02-27-2011, 03:12 PM

15thRegionSlamaBamma Wrote:The KHSAA does have the last say however, there is a proposal process as well. In addition they take a look at travel etc when looking at circumstances such as this. IMO if the economy was not in the shape it was it would be more feasable to go to the 4 team 59th and 60th. However, based on gas prices and travel at this time it is not feasable to send BL to ER once a year and vice versa. While I am aware SF seems way out there its actually closer than ER, same as Valley is correlation with Allen Central.

However, I do like the idea of getting rid of the district tournament and then take the 15 team region and making it one large tournament. In essense though with that each team would viable have to play a home and away series in a season (28 games) which is not a realistic idea. Or we could divide into an East and West. Where you play a home and away with the teams in each conference then play 4 out of conference opponents. Top 6 based on Conference record make the tournament. Bottom 4 play play-in-games (4-5 for each to play the top ranked team) others are seeded. Thus you would have 1-4 East 1-4 West. Just and idea though.

Another pretty decent idea!
As for the traveling. They pretty much do that anyway.

**15thRegionSlamaBamma** · 02-27-2011, 03:19 PM

OffTheHook Wrote:Another pretty decent idea!
As for the traveling. They pretty much do that anyway.

While I understand that its still based on the fact is option A) Teams are forced option B) They stay in county and have the option to not travel (even though they more than likely will travel).

Nothing But The Kids · 02-27-2011, 06:33 PM

trufan Wrote:If you truly want fairness, then how about just doing away with district tournaments, use the season games for seeding and allow everyone to play in the 15th region tournament. That way everyone has a fair shake at winning the whole thing and going to state. You have a great arguement, however, in the foreseeable future, nothing is going to change.

I agree. Districts are not what they used to be. Let all teams play in the region.

Nothing But The Kids · 02-27-2011, 06:37 PM

OutsideLogic Wrote:Don't feel too sorry for the 58th, because they vote how Pike County wants them to vote on everything. The 57th is not fair with 5 teams and only two gets in but that is life. There have been proposal about teams being moved around but other districts don't want that to happen. Half the money from the regional tournament stays in Pike Co, why would they want to change that.

The 15th Region is a revenue sharing region. All schools receive money regardless if a school makes region.

**TheRealVille** · 02-27-2011, 06:43 PM

phil ivey Wrote:listen there is no complaint here..theres one place in this region to have the tournament and its the expo its by far the best venue it just happens to be in pike count and as far as the pike county teams being in the tournament they deserve to be there i mean who should get in? magoffin county? lawrence county? this is stupid the best 8 teams in the region imo are represented in the tournament

We beat Valley by 20. Valley is 10-17 on the season, compared to PV's 12-14. You still think they are one of the best 8 teams?

Grand Slam · 02-28-2011, 05:33 AM

I know how to solve this dilemma for the 5 teams in the 57th.....Win and you get in the tourney. This isn't a conference tourney lose and you still get in the NCAA..Man up and win or go home. ER and Phelps both lost and went home. If they win they get in nuff said.

**OffTheHook** · 02-28-2011, 08:42 AM

Grand Slam Wrote:I know how to solve this dilemma for the 5 teams in the 57th.....Win and you get in the tourney. This isn't a conference tourney lose and you still get in the NCAA..Man up and win or go home. ER and Phelps both lost and went home. If they win they get in nuff said.

We ALL know this and aren't complaining about it. Like I said we had our chance.
BUT, for your "nuff said" and "Win and you get in the tourney." This isn't true...Pikeville and Pike County Central got into the Tourney and they didn't have to win a game in their District Tourneys. They did, but didn't have to.
So re-read the thread and comprehend what is being said. And THEN give us a more intelligent answer. Cause this is a good debate.

BlueSky · 02-28-2011, 11:12 AM

at the Expo would be great fun with all the teams in the region. Seeding and lets have some fun for all.....

**OffTheHook** · 02-28-2011, 11:17 AM

^ I agree. They want to bring some revenue in....right there sounds like it would. And would be a GREAT week of basketball IMO. Crowds would be be MUCH bigger!

Play you first rounds on Sat. (Boys) and Sun. (Girls) or vise versa.

**TheRealVille** · 02-28-2011, 11:34 AM

Grand Slam Wrote:I know how to solve this dilemma for the 5 teams in the 57th.....Win and you get in the tourney. This isn't a conference tourney lose and you still get in the NCAA..Man up and win or go home. ER and Phelps both lost and went home. If they win they get in nuff said.

You think it might be a little easier to get in from a 3 team district, when they send 2 out of the 3?

**TheRealVille** · 02-28-2011, 11:48 AM

Maybe if all the 57th fans start overloading the KHSAA with emails to Julian Tackett and Chad Collins, they might be more apt to make some moves.

Julian Tackett

[email]jtackett@khsaa.org[/email]

Chad Collins

[email]ccollins@khsaa.org[/email]

LCDawg · 02-28-2011, 11:51 AM

TheRealVille Wrote:Maybe if all the 57th fans start overloading the KHSAA with emails to Chad Collins, they might be more apt to make some moves.

Chad Collins

[email]ccollins@khsaa.org[/email]

Make sure and send another email asking to move Lawrence County back to the 16th while your at it! :biggrin:

**OffTheHook** · 02-28-2011, 12:40 PM

TheRealVille Wrote:Maybe if all the 57th fans start overloading the KHSAA with emails to Julian Tackett and Chad Collins, they might be more apt to make some moves.

Julian Tackett

[email=jtackett@khsaa.org]jtackett@khsaa.org[/email]

Chad Collins

[email=ccollins@khsaa.org]ccollins@khsaa.org[/email]

Well, my emails are sent....lol.:Thumbs:

Commanche · 02-28-2011, 01:32 PM

LCDawg Wrote:Make sure and send another email asking to move Lawrence County back to the 16th while your at it! :biggrin:

I will second that!! LOL Could we do it before baseball season.

**TheRealVille** · 02-28-2011, 02:23 PM

OffTheHook Wrote:Well, my emails are sent....lol.:Thumbs:

I sent mine also.

Joneslab · 02-28-2011, 05:17 PM

Consolidation has created the problems addressed in this thread. If the mythical Floyd County High consolidated school ever happens then major change will be needed in the 58th district and 15th region as a whole.

**Belfry0304** · 03-01-2011, 12:05 AM

LCDawg Wrote:Make sure and send another email asking to move Lawrence County back to the 16th while your at it! :biggrin:

One more season like this and I'll send an e-mail asking to send them to a middle school league!

Just kidding, the kids from Lawrence really improved as the season progressed, I think assuming graduation doesn't hit them too hard, they could be back to being an at least .500 team next year... at least I hope! Hate to see kids work hard and not win in return.

**OffTheHook** · 03-01-2011, 08:41 AM

LCDawg Wrote:Make sure and send another email asking to move Lawrence County back to the 16th while your at it! :biggrin:

Thought it was a crazy move myself. Seeing that the Boyd Co. District on has three teams in it.

MonsterMan · 03-01-2011, 10:00 AM

Correct me if I am wrong. The KHSAA rep is from Pike county and started this. If the rep was from the 57th there would be 4 teams in it and the rest of the Region would adjust, case closed.

LCDawg · 03-01-2011, 10:24 AM

Belfry0304 Wrote:One more season like this and I'll send an e-mail asking to send them to a middle school league!

Just kidding, the kids from Lawrence really improved as the season progressed, I think assuming graduation doesn't hit them too hard, they could be back to being an at least .500 team next year... at least I hope! Hate to see kids work hard and not win in return.

They should be fine next year... given that people come out and play. I just wish we were back in the 16th... where we belong. Been there since the inception of the Lawrence County School and a lot of good rivalries were developed during that time and then they up and move us to a district/region that puts us traveling no less than 30-45 minutes to any given game and creating a 3 team district in the 64th and a 5 team district in the 57th. Just makes NO sense to me whatsoever.

**OffTheHook** · 03-01-2011, 11:07 AM

MonsterMan Wrote:Correct me if I am wrong. The KHSAA rep is from Pike county and started this. If the rep was from the 57th there would be 4 teams in it and the rest of the Region would adjust, case closed.

Whatever.....I love how you guys get on here and think you have the perfect answer that's absolutely right and end it with "Case closed". That was a real thought out gibbersih answer. I really don't understand what you where saying 4 from the 57th or from Pike Co? No matter what you meant. 4 out of 5 or 6 isn't right.

MonsterMan · 03-01-2011, 01:52 PM

OffTheHook Wrote:Whatever.....I love how you guys get on here and think you have the perfect answer that's absolutely right and end it with "Case closed". That was a real thought out gibbersih answer. I really don't understand what you where saying 4 from the 57th or from Pike Co? No matter what you meant. 4 out of 5 or 6 isn't right.

The gibberish is the KHSAA Board member for our area is from Pike Co. He was there when Lawrence Co was added to the 57th. The three team Pike Co districts were established at the same time. We play the tournement at the Expo.

If you understand the gibberish above, is it too far a stretch to think if the Board Memeber was from Paintsville the 57th would be a four team district and the other districts would adjust regardless of how much sense or inconvience it made? This just did not happen, it was planned this way to favor the Pike Co teams. I call that clear, plain and simple.