[OffensiveGuru]

I would say the shot callers are the ones that need to be shuffled. :eyeroll:

[SLHSCard]

There is not an experienced coach that would want to come to SL as an assistant since I don't see Welch leaving in my honest opinion. You guys are acting like some major hire is going to take place and some well known name is coming to london. I for one don't see it. If they wanted to change the offense they have a few assistants there that used to coach in the system. They may pick up a new assistant coach if one quits or something but nothing to really excite london.

I Just find it strange to hear that people from outside of london are the most concerned about trashing the program as they have no knowledge of the situation.

[OffensiveGuru]

@ SLHSCARD:

First of all, the system sucks! I am not trashing anyone, I am stating the obvious that the SL program needs an overhaul. Period! Do you have to live in or be from an area to have an opinion? I would bet that you are one of the assistant coaches who needs to be shuffled. Sure hope for the sake of the program it happens.
:ChairHit:

[Bolt]

The poblem is Welch continues to run a middle school offense. I have watched South several times over the past few years and have noticed that they are really predictable.
They have had some good athletes there as well which makes it worse on the kids.
I cant believe south brought him back for another year. I bet the rest of district 7 loved that.

[SLHSCard]

If the system sucked it would'nt be making the money it is across the nation. However that is a different topic, I don't coach at South but I and most of my family used to play there and we still follow closely as my kids will be Cards in the near future. You need to live in london or atleast follow the program to have a clue what is going on, otherwise you are just going by message boards and khsaa. Who are you hearing is coming to SL, if they are really good I hope it's true.

[SLHSCard]

It just doesn't make sense to me, south needs to make a move if they are. An overhaul can't wait until a month before the season to start. I'm just stating my opinion if Welch was going to be gone it would have happened by now.

[Bolt]

If the system sucked it would'nt be making the money it is across the nation. However that is a different topic, I don't coach at South but I and most of my family used to play there and we still follow closely as my kids will be Cards in the near future. You need to live in london or atleast follow the program to have a clue what is going on, otherwise you are just going by message boards and khsaa. Who are you hearing is coming to SL, if they are really good I hope it's true.

I do live in london, and while im not a South or North fan by any means, South should have made a change.
You can agree or disagree with keeping Welch but the guy is not a good coach at all.
Any coach could run the offense he does. When they lost irwin a few years back they lost everything. Had irwin had those teams he had running the offense he did in todays district and not against faster lex schools in the playoffs, he could have went a long way. Since then, chappell and welch have destroyed that program. I watched them play Corbin and Whitley this year and those teams are way ahead of South and South is a larger school than both, corbin by far and Whitley by a couple hundred. You cant tell me there arent more athletes in that school that could play if a coach would do some in school recruiting. Vaughn simplay wouldnt of had the numbers he did if welch didnt run a qb draw every single play.
The Ad should have thought about his situation more.

[former]

I am thinking some of option 1, Some of option 4 sinse basketball is there and number 5. Cause everyone knows MOST not ALL Laurel county natives are always in a pissing contest over about anything. Kind off like around here.

Funny how every time a team isnt good it is the coaches fault. have you ever heard of maybe a team doesnt have good players or athletes. I am sure both coaches try their hardest but maybe they do not have the players it takes to be good. Not sure what kind of support Laurel has for sports but I would think it would be good. Not every school has good players.

[HG_Bullfrogs]

I do not really think it is coaching because if it was then Laurel County schools would have about 30 failed coaches because none of them have succeeded a great deal. Both coaches have just been there for 2 years as head coach and while NL is building a program with the most wins it has had in a while in a two year span SL is also improving. SL may not be improving on the scoreboard but they have gotten significantly better on defense each of the last three years Welch has been there. There are positives but people just tend to look at the negatives.

Even the most successful NL and SL teams have not been that good, in 1994 the Jags won the district but had to go up against a top Lexington power. SL in 1999 lost to a Lexington power. They both have been in a district with big Lexington schools for so long it is just now starting to ease up a bit.

[Mountain Coach]

QUOTE=former;1156526]Funny how every time a team isnt good it is the coaches fault. have you ever heard of maybe a team doesnt have good players or athletes. I am sure both coaches try their hardest but maybe they do not have the players it takes to be good. Not sure what kind of support Laurel has for sports but I would think it would be good. Not every school has good players.[/QUOTE]
:novb:

[3wishes]

Honestly Former, I really dont even feel I need to respond to your comment, but if a school has 2000 kids, I really dont think they will be facing a non athlete situation.

NL has 1200 +/-
SL has 1100 +/-

That is 800/900 kids away from 2,000.

NL beat the Region Champion last year (2009), went into 2 OT with Harlan County, beat Knox Central, South Laurel, dismantled Clay County and a very hot Williamsburg team. They are doing what it takes, they lost a lot of upperclassment but played a lot of young kids last year mostly 9th and 11th graders.

[redstorm]

former
1-9, 0-10 Who's fault is it? 1-29 the past two years, that is amazing. The folks in Corbin are laughing everyday, because kids are transfer into there system.

[3wishes]

former
1-9, 0-10 Who's fault is it? 1-29 the past two years, that is amazing. The folks in Corbin are laughing everyday, because kids are transfer into there system.

Where are you getting your info? They haven't even played 30 games in 2 years.

SL was 4-7 and 0-10

4-17.

2009 they lost 2 games by about 5 total points.
Last season they were extremely close as well almost winning 3-5 games.

If you know of a transfer report it, since that is illegal for athletic purposes.

[Mountain Coach]

The problem is , they are going backwards. From what I seen talent wasnt the problem. I saw a 3 running back backfield... pound game, and a passing game that is so simple it wouldnt even work, Fly's or post , and they just heaved away for int's.They averaged completing 3 out of every 10 passes. Its simple the coaches they have arent bad coaches, but in my mind , dont fit what SL needs.

[former]

former
1-9, 0-10 Who's fault is it? 1-29 the past two years, that is amazing. The folks in Corbin are laughing everyday, because kids are transfer into there system.

It must be the coaches fault if they lost 10 extra games they didnt play.

[Mountain Coach]

yeah right .. lol

[former]

former
1-9, 0-10 Who's fault is it? 1-29 the past two years, that is amazing. The folks in Corbin are laughing everyday, because kids are transfer into there system.

doesnt whitley lose kids to other schools too (Letcher) due to system. does whitley lose kids to corbin or have they ever.

[Paul Crewe]

Sometimes kids go other places.......what I heard is a big number were leaving (8th graders). This doesn't happen everyday, if true.

[redstorm]

Yes we lose a kid to other places, but not like the 8th graders that has enrolled in the Corbin middle school. Sorry on the record, 19 games

[SLHSCard]

Well did any other school around the area start 8 sophomores and have a winning season? South was by far the youngest team in the area. Granted that games like LCC, North, Lincoln, Clay and Middlesboro could have went either way for SL this past year but the older more mature teams were able to win against the cards.

[cherokee]

Yes we lose a kid to other places, but not like the 8th graders that has enrolled in the Corbin middle school. Sorry on the record, 19 games

Those Patrick twins on the Corbin 8th grade football team came from Whitley last year and they are very good players still live in Whitley

Nathan Cole top basketball 8th grader and a tremendous wide reciever transfered to Knox Central

The Wilson twin girls started as Freshman on the Corbin varsity girls team this year and their little sister will join them next year as a starter all live in southern Whitley County

[False Hope]

I love the drama

[OffensiveGuru]

Alright, so what I am hearing about SL is:

1. The team was too young (sort of like the perpetually young UK squad...).

2. More young guys transferred to Corbin.

3. The System must be great because everybody bought it.

4. They couldn't complete more than 30% of their passes.

:popcorn: This is getting good.

[OffensiveGuru]

Oh yeah, and:

5. Any new coach must be a "name-brand" guy or else he doesn't have a clue.

6. I get all my info from message boards and KHSAA. (Yeah, right.)

7. Out of 1100 kids, there are no athletes.

8. It's all the coaches fault. (probably true)

[HG_Bullfrogs]

3. The System must be great because everybody bought it.

.

The system was never any good at South because they couldn't win then either. People wanted change of offense, well they got it. Now they don't like the new one either. South has been heavy pass in the 90s, heavy run two years ago and now they are balanced and no one is happy. That has to do with the parents. Not the coaches.

[former]

So if a team doesnt win every year then it is the coaches fault. Wow then there would never be any coaches becasue not everyone wins. Corbins last state title was 1982, is it the coaches fault. Should Jackson Co win all games or is the coach to blame. If a coach isnt trying yeah it is his fault, but if you just dont have horses you aint plowing a field. So I guess there are only 6 good coaches in the state. fire them if they dont repeat next year too.

[Mountain Coach]

People on this board have officially lost there mind. I dont think that SL coaches are bad. Yes apparentely you threw the ball in the 90's got your change and starting running heavy, and now its balanced. Well let me throw a little coaching at you, It doesnt matter if your balanced, it's when and what situation you run a particular play. I saw in a loss to Middlesboro on film SL had the ball 4 and 6 on there 30 and they try to run off tackle to the left, and it was stuffed in the backfIeld. Now where I come from balanced is good, but if you dont have the correct coaches to call plays it doesnt even matter if you are balanced and Your gonna lose. Thats all it comes down to. Can a particular coach make more of the right calls on a play, than making the wrong call. Thats the name of the GAME. If you have a coach , who runs more of the right plays at the right time, I would hold on to him forever. But in SL case I just dont know if thats true. Seems after going 0-10 and throwing 22 ints against 7 td's. They might be making the wrong calls on when and where to throw the ball. And if you dont have a qb , Then put a young QB in, take his lumps and get him exp.It probly would have been the same outcome, but this kid has 6 or 7 games exp on the next year. Same goes for the D .

[OffensiveGuru]

Good coaches take what they have to work with and find a way to win. Those with less coaching ability find a way to blame the kids or some other aspect of the program (parents, community, administration, facilities, schedule, you name it.) It is time for SL to put some people in place who know how to manipulate what they've got in order to get some wins and be respectable again.

@ HG Bullfrogs: The system remark on my last post was not in praise of the system. It was a reflection of what others were saying. In fact, the whole post was.

@ former: Yes, I believe if a coach can't win consistently, he should find a new profession. I am not talking about winning a state title. I am talking about posting a winning record a majority of the time. And yes, the coaches are to blame @ Jackson County. All the extremist comments on here just show a lack of knowledge on the subject.

[dogface34]

South did not start 8 sophomores, really only two got significant playing time on defense
and only had 3 or 4 play on offense.
The problem wasnt the talent they had the problem is the positions they had the talent playing.

[HAT51]

A lot of can't sing, a lot of us can't dance or play musical instruments. Evidently a lot of us can't coach football, but there is one thing everybody can do perfectly is get on here and criticize and not do crap.