[schsalum]

your exactly right they had a chance to go to the belfrey pike central district, phelps district and chose not to. which is crazy. that is a much easier district than jc, paintsville, mc, and then lc has won district 2 yrs in a row. The people in charge does not care whether sheldon clark has the best chance to win, its about who plays and what adminstrators are happy. Winning is not in important.

[TheRealVille]

IMO, it should look like this:

57th
Johnson Central
Paintsville
Sheldon Clark
Lawrence County

58th
Prestonsburg
Allen Central
Magoffin County
South Floyd

59th
Betsy Layne
Belfry
Pikeville
Pike Co. Central

60th
Shelby Valley
East Ridge
Phelps
Jenkins

Or just something like that.

I don't see moving Magoffin from the 57th, that would bust up a lot of good rivalries that go back many years. I say take LC out of the 57th. The 57th should have remained the way it was for years. I never could figure out why they moved LC into it, they should be in the 16th region.

[Has Been]

I still like:

57th

Lawrence County
Paintsville
Sheldon Clark
Johnson Central


58th

Prestonsburg
Allen Central
South Floyd
Magoffin


59th

Pikeville
Pike Central
Betsy Layne
Belfry

60th

East Ridge
Jenkins
Shelby Valley
Phelps

I'm not trying to be smart or anything, I'm honestly just curious of why you would take Phelps out of the 60th with Belfry and Pike Central?... Even if you break up the 58th it doesn't make sense to me to just swap Pikeville and Phelps for no reason....

[OffTheHook]

I knew this would be a good thread for discussion.
Something needs to be done though. To make it fair for the entire Region.

[More Cowbell]

WHY won't they realign the 15th Region?

Why not move Sheldon Clark to the 60th?

I've wondered this forever. I see no reason why the KHSAA hasn't had a realign. Of course, the free ride schools will disagree.

^ Of course.

Actually, the prospect of Sheldon Clark moving to another district was in heavy discussion a year or two ago. But it wasn't the "free ride schools" that blocked the move, it was Sheldon Clark themselves. So don't blame the Pike Co. schools for something that wasn't their fault.

[More Cowbell]

I do agree that the current setup is not fair. However, in order to make it happen, some schools need to be willing to move.

There are several ways to do this to make it more fair, but with 5 teams presently, someone needs to move out of the 57th regardless. And even though Lawrence has the least amount of history in the district, they are simply too far away to be in a district with Pike Co. teams, so moving LC is not an option. It also makes no sense to split up Paintsville and JC. So in my opinion, either Sheldon Clark or Magoffin needs to be the one to move.

I think the easiest move is SC to the 60th. That keeps the 58th intact as is, and puts 4 teams in both the 57th and 60th. The other option is to move Magoffin into the 58th (or SC for that matter), and send Betsy Layne into the 59th or 60th. Although it disrupts one more district, the end result is the same.

Finally, you are left with one remaining 3-team district in Pike Co. How to fix this? I suppose you could move Piarist into the 59th, but you never know if Piarist will participate fully in district, so that's not a great option. The best option is to pluck Jenkins from the 14th region and put them into the other district. By my count, the 14th region currently has 17 teams, so they could lose Jenkins and still have four 4-team districts.

My best scenario:

57th= Lawrence, Paintsville, Johnson, Magoffin
58th= P-Burg, South Floyd, Betsy Layne, Allen Central (w/ Piarist when participating)
59th= Pikeville, Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Jenkins
60th= Sheldon Clark, Belfry, Pike Central, Phelps

One other note: If we are realigning the 15th region, why not switch Pike Central and East Ridge? I've never seen the reasoning why Pikeville and PC, two schools located about 3 minutes from each other, aren't in the same district.

[Panther Thunder]

One other note: If we are realigning the 15th region, why not switch Pike Central and East Ridge? I've never seen the reasoning why Pikeville and PC, two schools located about 3 minutes from each other, aren't in the same district.

ER and SV are closer to Pikeville than Belfry and Phelps. And Belfry and Phelps are closer to PC than Pikeville. I guess you have to draw a line somewhere to keep the best interest of all schools involved.

[Real Badman]

I do agree that the current setup is not fair. However, in order to make it happen, some schools need to be willing to move.

There are several ways to do this to make it more fair, but with 5 teams presently, someone needs to move out of the 57th regardless. And even though Lawrence has the least amount of history in the district, they are simply too far away to be in a district with Pike Co. teams, so moving LC is not an option. It also makes no sense to split up Paintsville and JC. So in my opinion, either Sheldon Clark or Magoffin needs to be the one to move.

I think the easiest move is SC to the 60th. That keeps the 58th intact as is, and puts 4 teams in both the 57th and 60th. The other option is to move Magoffin into the 58th (or SC for that matter), and send Betsy Layne into the 59th or 60th. Although it disrupts one more district, the end result is the same.

Finally, you are left with one remaining 3-team district in Pike Co. How to fix this? I suppose you could move Piarist into the 59th, but you never know if Piarist will participate fully in district, so that's not a great option. The best option is to pluck Jenkins from the 14th region and put them into the other district. By my count, the 14th region currently has 17 teams, so they could lose Jenkins and still have four 4-team districts.

My best scenario:

57th= Lawrence, Paintsville, Johnson, Magoffin
58th= P-Burg, South Floyd, Betsy Layne, Allen Central (w/ Piarist when participating)
59th= Pikeville, Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Jenkins
60th= Sheldon Clark, Belfry, Pike Central, Phelps

One other note: If we are realigning the 15th region, why not switch Pike Central and East Ridge? I've never seen the reasoning why Pikeville and PC, two schools located about 3 minutes from each other, aren't in the same district.

Because of the realigning it took after East Ridge was built.

[TheRealVille]

Actually, the prospect of Sheldon Clark moving to another district was in heavy discussion a year or two ago. But it wasn't the "free ride schools" that blocked the move, it was Sheldon Clark themselves. So don't blame the Pike Co. schools for something that wasn't their fault.

You've got my quote included in your quote some way or other, but I've never been for taking SC out of the 57th, I've wanted LC to be taken out. I do say that some Pike schools aren't fans of getting a four district lineup though, why would they be for something that eliminates a free ride to region. SC,JC,MG and PV should always remain together, it's been a great setup for years. I don't think you will find many in the 57th that would be for splitting them up.

[TheRealVille]

I do agree that the current setup is not fair. However, in order to make it happen, some schools need to be willing to move.

There are several ways to do this to make it more fair, but with 5 teams presently, someone needs to move out of the 57th regardless. And even though Lawrence has the least amount of history in the district, they are simply too far away to be in a district with Pike Co. teams, so moving LC is not an option. It also makes no sense to split up Paintsville and JC. So in my opinion, either Sheldon Clark or Magoffin needs to be the one to move.

I think the easiest move is SC to the 60th. That keeps the 58th intact as is, and puts 4 teams in both the 57th and 60th. The other option is to move Magoffin into the 58th (or SC for that matter), and send Betsy Layne into the 59th or 60th. Although it disrupts one more district, the end result is the same.

Finally, you are left with one remaining 3-team district in Pike Co. How to fix this? I suppose you could move Piarist into the 59th, but you never know if Piarist will participate fully in district, so that's not a great option. The best option is to pluck Jenkins from the 14th region and put them into the other district. By my count, the 14th region currently has 17 teams, so they could lose Jenkins and still have four 4-team districts.

My best scenario:

57th= Lawrence, Paintsville, Johnson, Magoffin
58th= P-Burg, South Floyd, Betsy Layne, Allen Central (w/ Piarist when participating)
59th= Pikeville, Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Jenkins
60th= Sheldon Clark, Belfry, Pike Central, Phelps

One other note: If we are realigning the 15th region, why not switch Pike Central and East Ridge? I've never seen the reasoning why Pikeville and PC, two schools located about 3 minutes from each other, aren't in the same district.

Yes, it is an option to move LC. Not to anywhere in the 15th though, LC needs to go to the 16th, that would be a perfect move for them. You are assuming that all the teams have to stay in the 15th.

57th= Paintsville, Johnson, Magoffin, Sheldon Clark
58th= P-Burg, South Floyd, Allen Central, Piarist
59th= Pikeville, Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Betsy Layne,
60th= Belfry, Pike Central, Phelps, Jenkins

[HORNET POWER]

Yes, it is an option to move LC. Not to anywhere in the 15th though, LC needs to go to the 16th, that would be a perfect move for them. You are assuming that all the teams have to stay in the 15th.

57th= Paintsville, Johnson, Magoffin, Sheldon Clark
58th= P-Burg, South Floyd, Allen Central, Piarist
59th= Pikeville, Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Betsy Layne,
60th= Belfry, Pike Central, Phelps, Jenkins

I'd switch Jenkins with East Ridge and call it good,ER is closer to the schools in the 60th and Jenkins is closer to the schools in the 59th

[TheRealVille]

I'd switch Jenkins with East Ridge and call it good,ER is closer to the schools in the 60th and Jenkins is closer to the schools in the 59th

Yes, another good thought.

[More Cowbell]

ER and SV are closer to Pikeville than Belfry and Phelps. And Belfry and Phelps are closer to PC than Pikeville. I guess you have to draw a line somewhere to keep the best interest of all schools involved.

I will agree that if you are going to split up Pikeville and PC, then that is the way to do it. But Pikeville, PC, and Valley should all be together IMO. The first two are 3-4 minutes away from each other, and SV is only about 10 minutes down the road from Pikeville.

But, it's not that big a deal. ER, SV, and Pikeville have sure had some interesting 59th district tournaments.

[More Cowbell]

You've got my quote included in your quote some way or other, but I've never been for taking SC out of the 57th, I've wanted LC to be taken out. I do say that some Pike schools aren't fans of getting a four district lineup though, why would they be for something that eliminates a free ride to region. SC,JC,MG and PV should always remain together, it's been a great setup for years. I don't think you will find many in the 57th that would be for splitting them up.

I had your quote in there because it seemed like you implied that the reason realignment hadn't taken place is due to the so-called "free ride schools". Meaning that the Pike Co. schools were the ones that prevented the move of SC into the 60th a couple years ago. From everything I was told, it was the SC folks who objected to the move.

By the way, I'm a fan of a Pike Co. school, and I think it's stupid to have a 3-team district. No one should get a free pass to region, but with a 3-team district there's no way around it. There needs to be four 4-team districts, and all would be fair.

[More Cowbell]

Yes, it is an option to move LC. Not to anywhere in the 15th though, LC needs to go to the 16th, that would be a perfect move for them. You are assuming that all the teams have to stay in the 15th.

57th= Paintsville, Johnson, Magoffin, Sheldon Clark
58th= P-Burg, South Floyd, Allen Central, Piarist
59th= Pikeville, Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Betsy Layne,
60th= Belfry, Pike Central, Phelps, Jenkins

That's a bad idea. Moving Lawrence out of the 15th won't solve anything. The 15th region needs MORE teams, not less. And taking LC out would mean we need to steal TWO more teams to make it work.

And yes, I'm not counting Piarist. Regardless of whether they're in the 58th, 59th, or 60th, if they are the fourth team in a district, that doesn't fly. Half the time they won't even be participating in district play (they aren't this year), so that in effect still leaves a 3-team district. Which means under your plan, the 15th still needs to pluck another team from some other region.

[BoondockSaint]

Yes, it is an option to move LC. Not to anywhere in the 15th though, LC needs to go to the 16th, that would be a perfect move for them. You are assuming that all the teams have to stay in the 15th.

57th= Paintsville, Johnson, Magoffin, Sheldon Clark
58th= P-Burg, South Floyd, Allen Central, Piarist
59th= Pikeville, Shelby Valley, East Ridge, Betsy Layne,
60th= Belfry, Pike Central, Phelps, Jenkins

Really, really??? Jenkins is closer to 3 schools in the 59th, as opposed to the 60th, and they're not in the 15th region to begin with.

Registered voters with this kind of logic...further proof IQ test should be a requirement.

[LClion4life]

So if Lawrence moving back to the 16th is the best option, would Fleming move to the 10th? Or Morgan to the 14th or 15th?

[Real Badman]

The last time the Region was reformed was 2002. At the time it looked like this:

57th
Johnson Central
Magoffin County
Sheldon Clark
Paintsville

58th
Prestonsburg
Betsy Layne
Allen Central
South Floyd

59th
Pikeville
Shelby Valley
Pike Central
Millard

60th
Feds Creek
Elkhorn City
Phelps
Belfry

[bball_fan]

KHSAA tries every way to keep the county schools together unless the county is big enough for more then one district. If you move Jenkins into the 15th, then Letcher County Central would be coming too but that makes sense! Because then Valley, East Ridge, Jenkins and LCC could be a district while Pikeville, Pike Central, Belfry and Phelps another, then you don't have to bother the rest of the region. Also, they are never going to move Betsy Layne out of the district with the rest of the Floyd County schools unless the totally tear that district apart.

[TheRealVille]

Really, really??? Jenkins is closer to 3 schools in the 59th, as opposed to the 60th, and they're not in the 15th region to begin with.

Registered voters with this kind of logic...further proof IQ test should be a requirement.

Did you take the time to read my post #42. If you had, you would see that this was brought to my attention, and I agreed. Was there any need for the smart remark at the end? I copied the 59th and 60th off of the poster above me, because I was just redoing the 57th and 58, and I have no idea which schools in 59 and 60 are closer to one than the other.

[TheRealVille]

Man Boondocksaint, you represent those 3 crosses you have in your avatar to the highest degree. Further proof Gandhi was a very smart man. I have an IQ of 120, btw.

[Benchwarmer]

Putting Jenkins in the 15th region? You would have a 3 team 53rd district in the 14th region. Knott Central, Letcher Central, and Cordia.

[TheRealVille]

57th

Paintsville

Johnson Central
Magoffin Co.
Lawrence Co.

58th
South Floyd
Allen Central
Prestonsburg
Betsy Layne

59th
Pikeville
Shelby Valley
East Ridge
Jenkins

60th
Phelps
Belfry
Pike Central
Sheldon Clark

That's the only thing that makes a sense. Any other scenario is just unrealistic. It would involve removing ER and/or LC. And in that case you have 3 with 3 and 1 with 4.

Give me a few weeks and I'll figure it out. :biggrin:

Best idea yet.