[Demarcus ware]

nicker: oh my.

[TheRealThing]

What, no admission that you were wrong about Trump doing nothing to incite violence among his supporters? The clips that I posted were not intended to be comprehensive. Taunting protesters as they are escorted away from or dragged away from Trump events are a routine part of his rallies. Telling supporters to knock the crap out of protesters and promising to pay their legal expenses for doing so clearly crosses the line of civilized behavior.

You implied that Cruz was using his legal skills to avoid technically committing libel against Trump. Whether you like it or not, both Cruz and Rubio made valid points about the atmosphere that Trump's rhetoric creates at his events. That does not make the protesters' actions right, but it does make your assertion that Trump is blameless unsupported by facts and your implication that Cruz's statement flirted with libel wrong.

Also, I never described the protests as "spontaneous," so please stick to creating your own claims and I will compose mine. There is no doubt that at least some of the protests are being carefully planned and executed, but Trump's antics unnecessarily divert attention away from the protesters.

I will freely admit that Trump has incited the ire and the wrath of the establishment. It's the same old ploy, the Republican is going to take away your entitlements. Only this time, the collaborators are strange bedfellows, (Jorge Ramos and Rich Lowry?) and the victims are acting a lot more militant.

Otherwise, one would have to believe that protestors are like a country or a people unto themselves. And thus when they see other protestors get a dose of their own medicine at a Trump rally somewhere, they naturally are going to as a group, organize a more forceful effort. From whence would this protestor esprit de corps emanate? You did not use the word spontaneous, I agree. But for your argument to hold water it would have been inferred, in my view, and any scenario other than that of being spontaneous would render the whole thing theatric, manufactured and illegitimate.

So, were others who resent Trump's language actually pulling the protestor's strings? Consequently then, were those protestors motivated out of personal dispute, or are they useful idiots? Trump's critics may very often have a point, or a legitimate ax to grind as far as decorum and Emily Post. That does not give them the right to crack open Saul Alinsky's playbook, in my book.

And thank you for admitting that these protestors, are very likely plants. Put there to create havoc in an historic attempt to interdict what has always been heretofore, a fair and orderly political process.

No disrespect intended Hoot, and this is no thinly veiled slam against you, but I see people hiding behind some pretty despicable straw men here.

[WideRight05]

Not twisting your words at all. Just going by what you are saying. How do you know I don't condemn some of Trumps associates? You don't. You made an assumption and you were wrong. Just like thinking I care about polls. Wrong again. I care about results not polls. For someone not wasting their time you sure are doing a lot of it. It really is this simple to me, I support who I want too support and you support whomever you want. I said 6 months ago none of these candidates are worthy of being president, look it up if you so desire but over the course I made up my mind who I think will bring the economy back and who I think will take care of the immigration problem. I believe it will be Trump, you are free to believe whatever you like. I just get on here for fun because of all the whining. Also, I'm not ready for one term senators who hasn't really accomplished that much. If they had, they would be running on that. We've had that type of person for the last 7 years. Also just an FYI, when you want to insult me, using HC football won't do it, I haven't lived there for several years now.

Of course I have a clue but it's much more fun to see you whine and moan. You and wide right are so butt hurt today you need ointment. You guys are fun to get all worked up. Really you should join the Trump train, Cruz is now dead in the water. He took the wrong side last night after the protest. I thought he was supposed to be this big constitution defender but he takes the side of someone violating someone else's free speech. Can't trust a snake. Choo choo Hoot hear that train coming?? nicker:

You were very quick to call Ted Cruz out on a pastor he associated with. Why not hold Trump to the same standard? You still haven’t answered my question. I asked you to show me where Donald Trump has been consistent. Outside of immigration and a couple of economic areas he has been all over the place. You all Hoot Gibson out for whining, but which is worse? Someone who “whines” because their points are being contested with petty insults, or someone who makes themselves look like a cult follower that can only put together a talking point provided by their master?

I can agree with Trump on a few issues. For one, the problem with political correctness. He cam into this race and changed the entire tone by taking that and the media head-on. I can respect that because he helped play a key role in wiping out a couple of the establishment candidates like Jeb Bush that catered to that. The second, he took illegal immigration and changed it from an issue that Republicans with the exception of Cruz were scared to bring up to where many of the more moderate Republicans have tried to shift their centrist views further to the right on that issue.

You were never a big establishment guy from what I remembered, but prior to Trump almost all of us had the same conclusions on Cruz. What changed? Cruz went from being the guy that many of us thought wouldn’t win, but almost all of us non-establishment guys were hoping would pull it out. He had a deep respect with many of us on this website because of how he took a stand against McConnell and the Republican establishment. Now all of a sudden he’s “lying Ted?” Much of what former Cruz supporters are slinging on him now are talking points from Donald Trump.

Remember in 2008 when Barack Obama ran how his supporters called anything and everything that didn’t agree with him racist? Do you think that was good for the country? Trump and his supporters are doing exactly what Barack Obama’s supporters did eight and four years ago. I realize the Republicans need to send a tough guy and not somebody that will cave in to the media or political correctness. I just think Trump takes it overboard.

Cruz has made his share of mistakes – him, Rubio, and Kasich aren’t innocent by any means. These are politicians, and at the end of the day they are out to cut each other’s throats in doing anything possible to get elected. For example, I do agree with TRT that Cruz has twisted some of Trump’s statements. Trump has also twisted Cruz’s statements – it goes both ways. As with Rubio and Kasich, they have done the same thing. It’s not right, but it’s something that happens with politics. I choose the most consistent candidate I can find when it comes to the issues. Cruz has consistently stood up to the establishment.

It also amazes me, an issue with how serious many of us on here take the issue of abortion. I do believe Donald Trump is pro-life with exceptions of rape, incest, and life of the mother as he has stated. But it hasn’t been much of a priority to him that we have murdered well over 50 million unborn babies since 1973. In addition, show me where he has prioritized electing conservative justices not just to the SCOTUS where all eyes are right now, but to the appeals courts and to some of the lower courts. That I think would be a major downfall. Trump is very likely to choose somebody with more of a centrist record to run for those courts, and if he plans on reforming immigration then he should be ready to defend that in court. Out of Ronald Reagan’s picks for SCOTUS justices, two of the three (Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy) ended up going to the center and sometimes to the left on issues.

I’m not going to lose sleep if Ted Cruz doesn’t win this. Our society has just gone too far with this nonsense to the point where it will be nearly impossible to turn it back now. I’m sick of the Republicans sending moderates, and that is exactly what they are sending with Trump.

I was just messing with you over the comment about Harlan County football. If I wanted to insult you I would mess with your intelligence since you haven’t shown any in this thread, but that would be mean. nicker:

[Hoot Gibson]

I will freely admit that Trump has incited the ire and the wrath of the establishment. It's the same old ploy, the Republican is going to take away your entitlements. Only this time, the collaborators are strange bedfellows, (Jorge Ramos and Rich Lowry?) and the victims are acting a lot more militant.

Otherwise, one would have to believe that protestors are like a country or a people unto themselves. And thus when they see other protestors get a dose of their own medicine at a Trump rally somewhere, they naturally are going to as a group, organize a more forceful effort. From whence would this protestor esprit de corps emanate? You did not use the word spontaneous, I agree. But for your argument to hold water it would have been inferred, in my view, and any scenario other than that of being spontaneous would render the whole thing theatric, manufactured and illegitimate.

So, were others who resent Trump's language actually pulling the protestor's strings? Consequently then, were those protestors motivated out of personal dispute, or are they useful idiots? Trump's critics may very often have a point, or a legitimate ax to grind as far as decorum and Emily Post. That does not give them the right to crack open Saul Alinsky's playbook, in my book.

And thank you for admitting that these protestors, are very likely plants. Put there to create havoc in an historic attempt to interdict what has always been heretofore, a fair and orderly political process.

No disrespect intended Hoot, and this is no thinly veiled slam against you, but I see people hiding behind some pretty despicable straw men here.

I saw no need to "admit" the obvious. Organized protests are a part of presidential campaigns. Some candidates handle the protests well and maintain as much safety and security for their supporters as possible and some do not. Trump obviously strives to exploit conflict between his supporters and protesters for personal political gain.

The fact that Trump is the Republican front runner makes his events bigger targets than other candidates' events, but I do not believe that Trump does anything to avoid or diffuse conflicts with protesters. Trump has a Secret Service detail protecting him from the consequences of his actions, but he places attendees of his events in harm's way.

You will never see Cruz or Rubio encouraging their supporters to "knock the crap" out of a protester, nor will you ever hear them offering to pay the legal costs for anybody who physically attacks a protester. Those are the actions of a candidate who has no respect for his supporters and no concern for their safety. Trump loves his supporters the way that wealthy Romans loved their best gladiators.

This country has become a laughingstock under Obama and now we're looking at a potential choice between a reckless clown and a felon to succeed him. I am angry at the Republican establishment but not angry enough to choose either of those two very bad choices.

[Hoot Gibson]

You were very quick to call Ted Cruz out on a pastor he associated with. Why not hold Trump to the same standard? You still haven’t answered my question. I asked you to show me where Donald Trump has been consistent. Outside of immigration and a couple of economic areas he has been all over the place. You all Hoot Gibson out for whining, but which is worse? Someone who “whines” because their points are being contested with petty insults, or someone who makes themselves look like a cult follower that can only put together a talking point provided by their master?

I can agree with Trump on a few issues. For one, the problem with political correctness. He cam into this race and changed the entire tone by taking that and the media head-on. I can respect that because he helped play a key role in wiping out a couple of the establishment candidates like Jeb Bush that catered to that. The second, he took illegal immigration and changed it from an issue that Republicans with the exception of Cruz were scared to bring up to where many of the more moderate Republicans have tried to shift their centrist views further to the right on that issue.

You were never a big establishment guy from what I remembered, but prior to Trump almost all of us had the same conclusions on Cruz. What changed? Cruz went from being the guy that many of us thought wouldn’t win, but almost all of us non-establishment guys were hoping would pull it out. He had a deep respect with many of us on this website because of how he took a stand against McConnell and the Republican establishment. Now all of a sudden he’s “lying Ted?” Much of what former Cruz supporters are slinging on him now are talking points from Donald Trump.

Remember in 2008 when Barack Obama ran how his supporters called anything and everything that didn’t agree with him racist? Do you think that was good for the country? Trump and his supporters are doing exactly what Barack Obama’s supporters did eight and four years ago. I realize the Republicans need to send a tough guy and not somebody that will cave in to the media or political correctness. I just think Trump takes it overboard.

Cruz has made his share of mistakes – him, Rubio, and Kasich aren’t innocent by any means. These are politicians, and at the end of the day they are out to cut each other’s throats in doing anything possible to get elected. For example, I do agree with TRT that Cruz has twisted some of Trump’s statements. Trump has also twisted Cruz’s statements – it goes both ways. As with Rubio and Kasich, they have done the same thing. It’s not right, but it’s something that happens with politics. I choose the most consistent candidate I can find when it comes to the issues. Cruz has consistently stood up to the establishment.

It also amazes me, an issue with how serious many of us on here take the issue of abortion. I do believe Donald Trump is pro-life with exceptions of rape, incest, and life of the mother as he has stated. But it hasn’t been much of a priority to him that we have murdered well over 50 million unborn babies since 1973. In addition, show me where he has prioritized electing conservative justices not just to the SCOTUS where all eyes are right now, but to the appeals courts and to some of the lower courts. That I think would be a major downfall. Trump is very likely to choose somebody with more of a centrist record to run for those courts, and if he plans on reforming immigration then he should be ready to defend that in court. Out of Ronald Reagan’s picks for SCOTUS justices, two of the three (Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy) ended up going to the center and sometimes to the left on issues.

I’m not going to lose sleep if Ted Cruz doesn’t win this. Our society has just gone too far with this nonsense to the point where it will be nearly impossible to turn it back now. I’m sick of the Republicans sending moderates, and that is exactly what they are sending with Trump.

I was just messing with you over the comment about Harlan County football. If I wanted to insult you I would mess with your intelligence since you haven’t shown any in this thread, but that would be mean. nicker:

:Thumbs: Very well said, WR5. Like you, I struggle to understand the animosity of Trump supporters toward Ted Cruz. I know that Trump is alienating a large part of the Republican Party with his dishonest and nasty attacks against, not just Cruz, but all of his political opponents. (Kasich has walked on eggshells during the campaign, so he has mostly avoided offending Trump and is the exception.)

Many will unite behind Trump if he is the Republican nominee, but I believe that millions of us will not. The Libertarian Party candidate will smash that party's record for votes if Trump is the nominee.

[TheRealThing]

I saw no need to "admit" the obvious. Organized protests are a part of presidential campaigns. Some candidates handle the protests well and maintain as much safety and security for their supporters as possible and some do not. Trump obviously strives to exploit conflict between his supporters and protesters for personal political gain.

The fact that Trump is the Republican front runner makes his events bigger targets than other candidates' events, but I do not believe that Trump does anything to avoid or diffuse conflicts with protesters. Trump has a Secret Service detail protecting him from the consequences of his actions, but he places attendees of his events in harm's way.

You will never see Cruz or Rubio encouraging their supporters to "knock the crap" out of a protester, nor will you ever hear them offering to pay the legal costs for anybody who physically attacks a protester. Those are the actions of a candidate who has no respect for his supporters and no concern for their safety. Trump loves his supporters the way that wealthy Romans loved their best gladiators.

This country has become a laughingstock under Obama and now we're looking at a potential choice between a reckless clown and a felon to succeed him. I am angry at the Republican establishment but not angry enough to choose either of those two very bad choices.

I've never seen organized violent protests the likes of Chicago. And you know there has not been a single case of a presidential candidate canceling a political rally because of violence, nor has violence ever characterized a rally in the same manner as we saw there.

Militant and menacing looking thugs were all over the place. That is intimidation and that is a crime against the citizens of this country. Why downplay it's significance?

One thing is certain, the common thread that bound those protestors, bore no faint similarity to a desire to peacefully express their right to Free Speech through demonstration. What they did was to limit the Free Speech assault and the threat of assault to stymie rights of Mr Trump and all of his supporters.

[Hoot Gibson]

I've never seen organized violent protests the likes of Chicago. And you know there has not been a single case of a presidential candidate canceling a political rally because of violence, nor has violence ever characterized a rally in the same manner as we saw there.

Militant and menacing looking thugs were all over the place. That is intimidation and that is a crime against the citizens of this country. Why downplay it's significance?

One thing is certain, the common thread that bound those protestors, bore no faint similarity to a desire to peacefully express their right to Free Speech through demonstration. What they did was to limit the Free Speech assault and the threat of assault to stymie rights of Mr Trump and all of his supporters.

I do not trust Donald Trump. Not even a little bit. I know that his angry rhetoric does not have a calming effect on his supporters and having authorities to quietly clear a venue of hecklers would be far more effective than endlessly whining about them.

Organized protests, including infiltration of indoor events is not unprecedented. Code Pink, Media Matters, the SEIU and other left wing groups have engaged in such activities for many years.

If you are expecting everybody to agree that no candidate has ever been victimized by protesters more that Donald Trump, then you are going to be disappointed. Other candidates have done a much better job at providing security for their campaign events. As long as Trump is safe from protesters, I really believe that he is happy to see protesters slip past security so that he can spend half his speeches directing the police to remove hecklers.

Since I ruled out ever voting for Trump, I really don't have much more interest in his campaign events than I have in Hillary's or Bernie's events. In my opinion, they are all liberal Democrats who would make a terrible president. If you think that is "downplaying" the protests against Trump, then you may be right.

If and when Trump locks up the nomination, my interest in politics will take a nosedive. I will just focus on keeping my head down and staying off his very lengthy enemies list.

[Motley]

I've never seen organized violent protests the likes of Chicago. And you know there has not been a single case of a presidential candidate canceling a political rally because of violence, nor has violence ever characterized a rally in the same manner as we saw there.

Militant and menacing looking thugs were all over the place. That is intimidation and that is a crime against the citizens of this country. Why downplay it's significance?

One thing is certain, the common thread that bound those protestors, bore no faint similarity to a desire to peacefully express their right to Free Speech through demonstration. What they did was to limit the Free Speech assault and the threat of assault to stymie rights of Mr Trump and all of his supporters.

Dramatic much? There's been protests of this sort all throughout history. I'm not sure of what violence you're talking about either besides the violence at every other Trump rally that has taken place. He may say he wants free speech, but then said that if it were up to him they'd be leaving on a stretcher. Why should the American people sit back and let him spew his hatred? Remember Newton's third law? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The more Trump divides this country, encourages violence at his rallies, endorses torture, speaks of throwing people out, and not allowing others in, and has his supporters pledge allegiance to him, people will fight back.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Ted Cruz realized in his school days he was the smartest guy in the room usually. He has been running for President since he was about 21. A certain "almost offensive" ambitiousness has possessed him his entire adult life. It is this quality, not his politics, that renders him "I hate that guy" by his colleagues.

[TheRealThing]

Dramatic much? There's been protests of this sort all throughout history. I'm not sure of what violence you're talking about either besides the violence at every other Trump rally that has taken place. He may say he wants free speech, but then said that if it were up to him they'd be leaving on a stretcher. Why should the American people sit back and let him spew his hatred? Remember Newton's third law? For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The more Trump divides this country, encourages violence at his rallies, endorses torture, speaks of throwing people out, and not allowing others in, and has his supporters pledge allegiance to him, people will fight back.

Your Daddy already divided the country. But since you brought up Newton's Laws, it would appear that he like you, built his work to some degree, on the efforts of others. Newton's so-called first law is a shared honor with Galileo who is attributed for first recognizing the 'Law of Inertia.'

Newton's first law: "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it."

The external force in the present equation is Donald Trump. The object that is getting ready to get external force applied to it, at long last, is Hillary Rodham Clinton and no one deserves it more, unless one considers her boss. At any rate, what a breath of fresh air it will be to see her go down the old chute for the last time. :flush:

[TheRealThing]

Ted Cruz realized in his school days he was the smartest guy in the room usually. He has been running for President since he was about 21. A certain "almost offensive" ambitiousness has possessed him his entire adult life. It is this quality, not his politics, that renders him "I hate that guy" by his colleagues.

Very possibly.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Very possibly.

From his classmates at Princeton, to fellow law clerks, to his colleagues, Cruz has left behind loads of people who loathe him for his personality, not his politics. Just a little digging and one gets the sense he is most likely a complete dweeb.

[Demarcus ware]

You were very quick to call Ted Cruz out on a pastor he associated with. Why not hold Trump to the same standard? You still haven’t answered my question. I asked you to show me where Donald Trump has been consistent. Outside of immigration and a couple of economic areas he has been all over the place. You all Hoot Gibson out for whining, but which is worse? Someone who “whines” because their points are being contested with petty insults, or someone who makes themselves look like a cult follower that can only put together a talking point provided by their master?

I can agree with Trump on a few issues. For one, the problem with political correctness. He cam into this race and changed the entire tone by taking that and the media head-on. I can respect that because he helped play a key role in wiping out a couple of the establishment candidates like Jeb Bush that catered to that. The second, he took illegal immigration and changed it from an issue that Republicans with the exception of Cruz were scared to bring up to where many of the more moderate Republicans have tried to shift their centrist views further to the right on that issue.

You were never a big establishment guy from what I remembered, but prior to Trump almost all of us had the same conclusions on Cruz. What changed? Cruz went from being the guy that many of us thought wouldn’t win, but almost all of us non-establishment guys were hoping would pull it out. He had a deep respect with many of us on this website because of how he took a stand against McConnell and the Republican establishment. Now all of a sudden he’s “lying Ted?” Much of what former Cruz supporters are slinging on him now are talking points from Donald Trump.

Remember in 2008 when Barack Obama ran how his supporters called anything and everything that didn’t agree with him racist? Do you think that was good for the country? Trump and his supporters are doing exactly what Barack Obama’s supporters did eight and four years ago. I realize the Republicans need to send a tough guy and not somebody that will cave in to the media or political correctness. I just think Trump takes it overboard.

Cruz has made his share of mistakes – him, Rubio, and Kasich aren’t innocent by any means. These are politicians, and at the end of the day they are out to cut each other’s throats in doing anything possible to get elected. For example, I do agree with TRT that Cruz has twisted some of Trump’s statements. Trump has also twisted Cruz’s statements – it goes both ways. As with Rubio and Kasich, they have done the same thing. It’s not right, but it’s something that happens with politics. I choose the most consistent candidate I can find when it comes to the issues. Cruz has consistently stood up to the establishment.

It also amazes me, an issue with how serious many of us on here take the issue of abortion. I do believe Donald Trump is pro-life with exceptions of rape, incest, and life of the mother as he has stated. But it hasn’t been much of a priority to him that we have murdered well over 50 million unborn babies since 1973. In addition, show me where he has prioritized electing conservative justices not just to the SCOTUS where all eyes are right now, but to the appeals courts and to some of the lower courts. That I think would be a major downfall. Trump is very likely to choose somebody with more of a centrist record to run for those courts, and if he plans on reforming immigration then he should be ready to defend that in court. Out of Ronald Reagan’s picks for SCOTUS justices, two of the three (Sandra Day O’Connor and Anthony Kennedy) ended up going to the center and sometimes to the left on issues.

I’m not going to lose sleep if Ted Cruz doesn’t win this. Our society has just gone too far with this nonsense to the point where it will be nearly impossible to turn it back now. I’m sick of the Republicans sending moderates, and that is exactly what they are sending with Trump.

I was just messing with you over the comment about Harlan County football. If I wanted to insult you I would mess with your intelligence since you haven’t shown any in this thread, but that would be mean. nicker:

For a guy that keeps saying he won't waste any time talking to me, you sure wrote a book. Now, i have to say Wide Right i'm disappointed in you, you were at one time one of the best trollers on BGR and now you've fallen so far, you can't even tell you've been trolled. You talk about intelligence and yet you and Mr. Smarty Pants Hoot can't even figure out someone is ruffling your feathers. Yes, that's all i've been doing, and if you don't believe me, there are a few people on here that can tell you that's exactly what i was doing. So much for being the smart guys. Now, you are correct about me being against the establishment, i still am, I would vote for Cruz if he got the nod, the same as i would vote for Trump if he did. If it was stolen from either guy i would absolutely leave the party. The reason i've acted the way i have is this, Hoot runs all over this board whining about Trump this and Trump that, hell we know he has faults, you aren't telling us anything new, but so DOES Cruz which he refuses to acknowledge, that's why i pointed out the Pastor calling for the death of Gays while introducing Cruz at a rally. Don't hear Hoot or anyone posting about that do we? I'm all for calling politicians out on their faults, but when someone makes thread after thread about one, but refuses to call out the other it's something totally different. I told you exactly why i have chosen Trump over Cruz, i really only have two major concerns at the moment, yes i could list concerns all day but the two main one's i've had i believed Trump would be better suited for. If you or Hootie don't like it then that's really not my problem. I'll be gone for a day or so, but i did manage to put some stuff together today while traveling about Cruz and his many flops. That thread will make it in a day or so, but i have a feeling after tomorrow it won't really matter. Everyone have fun while i'm gone :Thumbs:

[RunItUpTheGut]

Ted Cruz realized in his school days he was the smartest guy in the room usually. He has been running for President since he was about 21. A certain "almost offensive" ambitiousness has possessed him his entire adult life. It is this quality, not his politics, that renders him "I hate that guy" by his colleagues.

That's a pretty good analogy. Makes perfect sense.

[WideRight05]

For a guy that keeps saying he won't waste any time talking to me, you sure wrote a book. Now, i have to say Wide Right i'm disappointed in you, you were at one time one of the best trollers on BGR and now you've fallen so far, you can't even tell you've been trolled. You talk about intelligence and yet you and Mr. Smarty Pants Hoot can't even figure out someone is ruffling your feathers. Yes, that's all i've been doing, and if you don't believe me, there are a few people on here that can tell you that's exactly what i was doing. So much for being the smart guys. Now, you are correct about me being against the establishment, i still am, I would vote for Cruz if he got the nod, the same as i would vote for Trump if he did. If it was stolen from either guy i would absolutely leave the party. The reason i've acted the way i have is this, Hoot runs all over this board whining about Trump this and Trump that, hell we know he has faults, you aren't telling us anything new, but so DOES Cruz which he refuses to acknowledge, that's why i pointed out the Pastor calling for the death of Gays while introducing Cruz at a rally. Don't hear Hoot or anyone posting about that do we? I'm all for calling politicians out on their faults, but when someone makes thread after thread about one, but refuses to call out the other it's something totally different. I told you exactly why i have chosen Trump over Cruz, i really only have two major concerns at the moment, yes i could list concerns all day but the two main one's i've had i believed Trump would be better suited for. If you or Hootie don't like it then that's really not my problem. I'll be gone for a day or so, but i did manage to put some stuff together today while traveling about Cruz and his many flops. That thread will make it in a day or so, but i have a feeling after tomorrow it won't really matter. Everyone have fun while i'm gone :Thumbs:

I was messing with you as well with some of my jokes. I'm more serious-minded when it comes to politics, but I think highly of Harlan County - I'm certainly not going to let Granny Bear and others down and actually mean what I'm saying on that. You didn't crack at my intelligence comment as I thought you would. Yes, that was trolling. Notice I just called out your intelligence in this thread. Not overall intelligence.

Now, as to the rest of this, though, I'm not speaking for Hoot Gibson, but I find it hard to imagine he would be so taken to Cruz that he doesn't see the fault in him. I believe all four candidates - Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, and Trump - that are remaining, have major faults that have disappointed in this campaign. Cruz and Rubio have been typical politicians who have engaged in the twisting of words, Trump has called names and twisted the meanings of others, and Kasich (also more of a moderate) is pretending to be some nice guy to try to separate himself from the others.

You still did not answer about the issue of consistency. All politicians, they lie, they steal, they cheat each other and will do anything just to get ahead. The one thing that Cruz has over the others is consistency in voting patterns, which after multiple tries you still haven't been able to prove Cruz being inconsistent or that Trump will be more consistent in how he sticks to what he believes in. Watch Trump try to defend the unborn, or watch him try to defend traditional marriage or another issue besides immigration. He is all over the place. With abortion he just says something to the tone of, "well, that's just it - I'm pro-life. I'm pro-life with the exception of rape, incest, and life of the mother. Same as Reagan." He never provides a line of defense on abortion or other issues besides immigration.

I do believe that Trump is as pro-life as he said - it's just a major concern though that it won't be of much importance to him. Thus, I wonder how highly it will be taken into consideration when he picks a judge for the SCOTUS or other courts. Remember that when you're electing a president, you're also electing judges. You're electing appeals court judges, you're electing federal judges. It's more important now than it was even years ago. Franklin Roosevelt, who was elected to a 4th term, only appointed a little over 200 judges. Reagan and Clinton both appointed almost 400 judges each during their two terms. Thus, you're electing many appointees for the court system - many of which aren't challenged too highly by the Senate.

If you want to stick with Trump, I'm not stopping you and neither is anyone else. You can brag till the cows come home about Trump defeating Ted Cruz, but it's not going to make much of a difference in the election and it's certainly not going to win my vote. It's not going to bother me because our society has gone too far downhill and whoever the president is won't be able to stop it. I always thought the Democrats were the ones who would prefer a candidate who is "cool" rather than competent, but apparently it's the same way with the Republicans now.

[Hoot Gibson]

For a guy that keeps saying he won't waste any time talking to me, you sure wrote a book. Now, i have to say Wide Right i'm disappointed in you, you were at one time one of the best trollers on BGR and now you've fallen so far, you can't even tell you've been trolled. You talk about intelligence and yet you and Mr. Smarty Pants Hoot can't even figure out someone is ruffling your feathers. Yes, that's all i've been doing, and if you don't believe me, there are a few people on here that can tell you that's exactly what i was doing. So much for being the smart guys. Now, you are correct about me being against the establishment, i still am, I would vote for Cruz if he got the nod, the same as i would vote for Trump if he did. If it was stolen from either guy i would absolutely leave the party. The reason i've acted the way i have is this, Hoot runs all over this board whining about Trump this and Trump that, hell we know he has faults, you aren't telling us anything new, but so DOES Cruz which he refuses to acknowledge, that's why i pointed out the Pastor calling for the death of Gays while introducing Cruz at a rally. Don't hear Hoot or anyone posting about that do we? I'm all for calling politicians out on their faults, but when someone makes thread after thread about one, but refuses to call out the other it's something totally different. I told you exactly why i have chosen Trump over Cruz, i really only have two major concerns at the moment, yes i could list concerns all day but the two main one's i've had i believed Trump would be better suited for. If you or Hootie don't like it then that's really not my problem. I'll be gone for a day or so, but i did manage to put some stuff together today while traveling about Cruz and his many flops. That thread will make it in a day or so, but i have a feeling after tomorrow it won't really matter. Everyone have fun while i'm gone :Thumbs:

I have to give you credit, Demarcus, you are a model Trump supporter. You are exactly the kind of guy that Trump likes to have filling the space around him. Well trained, obedient, and loyal - just the kind of citizen that any kind of authoritarian ruler would be proud to call his own.