[baseball1974]

Would still, like to know, 74 , your team, or are you just a mouthier ?....

My team? I don't know if I have a specific team. After I retired and moved back to KY with my family I was asked to write a sports column. That led to doing it a lot more extensively covering games on radio, etc. So for ten years I covered mostly football and baseball and I retired from that last year. If you're asking where I went to school, I graduated from Paul Blazer a very long time ago.

[Dawgfan123]

THANk YoU, 74

[baseball1974]

As for bolded #1 Yep thats how we roll up here in Louisa. We set out from the get go to play dirty. The parents, coaches and school officials condone it and search out people who are willing to carry out our dastardly plan brahahahaha! As for bolded #2 what in the heck does that have to do with the football team and friday night. I don't even know what the heck you are even talking about because I don't even follow baseball? Last I checked we don't have any coaches from the baseball team on the football team. I got to see the game film and what got everything started in the Breathitt game and you did not and I don't blame a single bulldog player for anything they did because if someone did it to me then I would come out swinging also. Why don't you ask people who we have a long history of playing like........ Sheldon Clark, Russell, Raceland, Paintsville, Ashland, Boyd Co, Greenup Co and many others how dirty we are or just ask the teams this season up to the Breathitt game.

I can give you several football examples just from when I was doing a column? That's only what I heard about.

[EKUAlum05]

FWIW,

I can't recall any specific instance since Belfry and Lawrence have been playing regularly of a discipline issue, cheap shots, or dirty play from LC.

Breathitt County I can't say that.
Pike Central I can't say that.
Sheldon Clark I even can't say that.


But Lawrence there are no instances popping into my head. Same for Johnson Central.

[baseball1974]

FWIW,

I can't recall any specific instance since Belfry and Lawrence have been playing regularly of a discipline issue, cheap shots, or dirty play from LC.

Breathitt County I can't say that.
Pike Central I can't say that.
Sheldon Clark I even can't say that.


But Lawrence there are no instances popping into my head. Same for Johnson Central.

Just in the past four years you have Boyd, McCreary central Russell(no ejections but got out of hand), greenup(this may have been five or six years ago), and not too mention i just read about the fight when they played breathitt in 97'

I don't think even they would try belfry. That could get ugly.

[Westside]

I was not at the game and can't comment on what happened. I can say I have known Coach Cecil and his family for well over 30 years. I played under him and his two brothers and played along side of one of his brothers. They are one of the classiest families if not THE classiest families I have ever met.

[KyRock]

Who cares? Nobody even brought up JC. They have nothing to do with anything.

:zzz::yawn:

[bucslover68]

Any update on the ejections/suspensions?...WSAZ said that Cecil's suspension has been lifted, but the player's haven't.

[dawgbyte02]

Any update on the ejections/suspensions?...WSAZ said that Cecil's suspension has been lifted, but the player's haven't.

More to come. Film does not lie. It is what it is. Fighting is unacceptable, self defense is a natural reaction. Two choices, fight or flight.

[Spuds]

FWIW,

I can't recall any specific instance since Belfry and Lawrence have been playing regularly of a discipline issue, cheap shots, or dirty play from LC.

Breathitt County I can't say that.
Pike Central I can't say that.
Sheldon Clark I even can't say that.


But Lawrence there are no instances popping into my head. Same for Johnson Central.

How about Belfry and SC about 4 or 5 years ago?

[EKUAlum05]

How about Belfry and SC about 4 or 5 years ago?

That's why I specifically mentioned Sheldon Clark as one of the teams I couldn't say that for

[baseball1974]

More to come. Film does not lie. It is what it is. Fighting is unacceptable, self defense is a natural reaction. Two choices, fight or flight.

You're telling adolescent teenagers their only response is to fight or flight? So that automatically gives them the notion that walking away is a cowardly thing to do. No wonder. I hope they don't carry that same thinking into the work force?

[Do-double-gg]

You're telling adolescent teenagers their only response is to fight or flight? So that automatically gives them the notion that walking away is a cowardly thing to do. No wonder. I hope they don't carry that same thinking into the work force?

So your telling me that if someone stomped on your groin area or snuck behind your back and kicked you in the legs that you would have no reaction.
I will tell you right now if someone comes up behind me and kicks me in the legs they better duck immediately afterwards because I'm comeing with a haymaker! The main point is the Lawrence players did not start this, but if they did I would admit it and I would be ashamed, but I'm not ashamed of anything a Lawrence player or coach did in this event. If they were just trash talking or a little pushing and shoving then yes walk away, but a few of the things that went on in this game could be considered as assault in a court of law IMO.

[Do-double-gg]

Any update on the ejections/suspensions?...WSAZ said that Cecil's suspension has been lifted, but the player's haven't.

Good because he was doing nothing but getting his players off the field!

[hs athletics fan]

I will say this Lawrence did as much pestering as the Breathitt boys did. Now things got way out hand and it shoulda never came to that. If Lawrence's head coach was just getting his players off the field then he deserves no suspension at all, because Breathitt coaches went out there after their own. Good luck on the rest of the season Lawrence!!!

[Do-double-gg]

I will say this Lawrence did as much pestering as the Breathitt boys did. Now things got way out hand and it shoulda never came to that. If Lawrence's head coach was just getting his players off the field then he deserves no suspension at all, because Breathitt coaches went out there after their own. Good luck on the rest of the season Lawrence!!!

Good luck to you guys also. I don't judge people from a few little incidents.
I have met some very good people from Breathitt county and their are some very good kids on your team. You will have a bad apple or two on every team and in every town and county and that is just the way it is. I'm sure we have some players on the Lawrence roster that arent the little saints we like to think also.:Thumbs:

[baseball1974]

So your telling me that if someone stomped on your groin area or snuck behind your back and kicked you in the legs that you would have no reaction.
I will tell you right now if someone comes up behind me and kicks me in the legs they better duck immediately afterwards because I'm comeing with a haymaker! The main point is the Lawrence players did not start this, but if they did I would admit it and I would be ashamed, but I'm not ashamed of anything a Lawrence player or coach did in this event. If they were just trash talking or a little pushing and shoving then yes walk away, but a few of the things that went on in this game could be considered as assault in a court of law IMO.

There is nothing that happens in a sporting event that can't walk away from unless someone attacks you and won't quit. You think breathitt didn't know that'd happen if they provoked Lawrence? Wasn't their coach playing during the last time you all fought with them? I'm sure he was aware

[Do-double-gg]

There is nothing that happens in a sporting event that can't walk away from unless someone attacks you and won't quit. You think breathitt didn't know that'd happen if they provoked Lawrence? Wasn't their coach playing during the last time you all fought with them? I'm sure he was aware

I have no idea what your talking about. The last time the two teams played was last year at Lawrence County and not a single fight because I was there.
If you are talking about in 97 then I have no idea what went on because about 200 to 250 people were on the field if not more. I was at that game also and all I know is that some random guy was escorted off the field by the police who had no affiliation with either team and I was told that a punch was thrown and that is about all I know, but I don't think any players were fighting or coaches and I know that not one player or coach was implicated in anything from either team. From what I was told it was just a drunk or high person who was just there for trouble from the start and he punched a Breathitt coach or fan but he had nothing to do with the team or staff. I don't know where you get your info, but the teams were not fighting in that game, it was just a very good game and probably the best I had ever seen. Even the guy who was at the game from WYMT News said it was the best high school game he had ever been to.

[Do-double-gg]

There may be some Lawrence people on here who know more about it and may know the guys name that was arrested, but I can promise you that he was no player or coach.

[Do-double-gg]

Ok I just found out from my nephew that the guys name was William Hail and he was no player or coach nor did he have anything to do with the school.

[dawgbyte02]

You're telling adolescent teenagers their only response is to fight or flight? So that automatically gives them the notion that walking away is a cowardly thing to do. No wonder. I hope they don't carry that same thinking into the work force?

You miss my point. All of us, when faced with danger, have a fight or flight response. It is human nature and medically documented. I personally do not ever believe there is any reason what so ever to fight. But it happens everyday. You cannot teach until you have a teachable moment. A child does not understand the meaning of hot until they get burned. Coach will use this to further instill good moral character in those individuals involved. Coach cares way more about helping young folks become productive citizens than winning any ballgame. We at Lawrence are fortunate to have a transformational coach such as him.

[baseball1974]

You miss my point. All of us, when faced with danger, have a fight or flight response. It is human nature and medically documented. I personally do not ever believe there is any reason what so ever to fight. But it happens everyday. You cannot teach until you have a teachable moment. A child does not understand the meaning of hot until they get burned. Coach will use this to further instill good moral character in those individuals involved. Coach cares way more about helping young folks become productive citizens than winning any ballgame. We at Lawrence are fortunate to have a transformational coach such as him.

I agree with that but that's not what you said. You said you didn't think they did anything wrong and its natural to react to that situation. Where I agree it is a natural reaction, I think high school, college and the pros all know their opponents. The players and coaches know which teams they can get a reaction out of and which they can't. Even though it is a natural reaction it is something that can be controlled with maturity and mental toughness. They knew they needed to take Lawrence out off their game if they had a chance of winning. As soon as you allow them to provoke you, you have taken the focus off of what your goal was. Even though you won it should have been much worse. It is a teachable moment and good coaches know how to work it to be a learning experience. All I'm wondering is given the history will that happen or will he move on to the next game? There has to be team consequences as well as the suspension or it will appear to the player that his coach has no issue with what happened, and it will happen again and again and that same mindset will follow them beyond graduation into adulthood.

[Cat Daddy]

I didn't attend the game, but I have spoken to people who were there, and according to them, both teams and players were at fault. With that being said, hopefully both teams can take something positive out of this game and move forward. As adults, we need to move on from this game and focus on the postitives, instead of the negatives. Being a down year, I was surprised on how well the bobcats competeted in this game, and the final score doesn't indicate how close this game was in the fourth quarter.

[KyRock]

Good luck to you guys also. I don't judge people from a few little incidents.
I have met some very good people from Breathitt county and their are some very good kids on your team. You will have a bad apple or two on every team and in every town and county and that is just the way it is. I'm sure we have some players on the Lawrence roster that arent the little saints we like to think also.:Thumbs:

hh: They All are Perfect Lil Angels! nicker::eyeroll:

[KyRock]

hh: They All are Perfect Lil Angels! nicker::eyeroll:

:poker face:

[Poseidon]

I didn't attend the game, but I have spoken to people who were there, and according to them, both teams and players were at fault. With that being said, hopefully both teams can take something positive out of this game and move forward. As adults, we need to move on from this game and focus on the postitives, instead of the negatives. Being a down year, I was surprised on how well the bobcats competeted in this game, and the final score doesn't indicate how close this game was in the fourth quarter.

Focus on positives I agree, but hold those involved accountable for their actions.

[dawg fan]

You would think at some point khsaa would look to the adults that were in charge of the game, the ones that allowed this stuff to go on until 4:30 min left in the game when the fight broke out, the adults who are there to officiate the game, enforce the rules, and above all protect the kids. A few falgs early in the, a coach told to set a player a series or two and none of this would have happen. Instead you have players getting their helments pulled off by the facemask and attacked with it. And not even a flag. Now tell me what is wrong with pitchure. We expect the kids to act like mature while the adults in charge of the game are acting like a**holes.

[dawgbyte02]

I agree with that but that's not what you said. You said you didn't think they did anything wrong and its natural to react to that situation. Where I agree it is a natural reaction, I think high school, college and the pros all know their opponents. The players and coaches know which teams they can get a reaction out of and which they can't. Even though it is a natural reaction it is something that can be controlled with maturity and mental toughness. They knew they needed to take Lawrence out off their game if they had a chance of winning. As soon as you allow them to provoke you, you have taken the focus off of what your goal was. Even though you won it should have been much worse. It is a teachable moment and good coaches know how to work it to be a learning experience. All I'm wondering is given the history will that happen or will he move on to the next game? There has to be team consequences as well as the suspension or it will appear to the player that his coach has no issue with what happened, and it will happen again and again and that same mindset will follow them beyond graduation into adulthood.

I do not believe the Breathitt coach instructed his player to jerk the helment off a LC player and start beating him with it to throw him off his game. And any player who violated team rules will be held responsible even if it means LC has to play all JV players the rest of the year. Coach absolutely will not tolerate and would never encourage any type of unsportsman like conduct even if he was playing for the championship of the universe. regardless of KHSAA sanctions coach will fairly and quickly deal with those that broke the rules. There have already been lineup changes as of yesterday.

[baseball1974]

I do not believe the Breathitt coach instructed his player to jerk the helment off a LC player and start beating him with it to throw him off his game. And any player who violated team rules will be held responsible even if it means LC has to play all JV players the rest of the year. Coach absolutely will not tolerate and would never encourage any type of unsportsman like conduct even if he was playing for the championship of the universe. regardless of KHSAA sanctions coach will fairly and quickly deal with those that broke the rules. There have already been lineup changes as of yesterday.

I doubt he'd have been that specific and he probably didn't except anyone to take it that far. When I was coaching we knew this with every opponent and you exploit it. Not to a point of fighting but throwing inside in baseball or a couple of hard double team blocks on a defensive end that can't hold his emotions is normal. It takes them out of their element and that's all they think about. Coaches also have to know their players are mature enough to walk away if they retaliate.

[dawgbyte02]

I doubt he'd have been that specific and he probably didn't except anyone to take it that far. When I was coaching we knew this with every opponent and you exploit it. Not to a point of fighting but throwing inside in baseball or a couple of hard double team blocks on a defensive end that can't hold his emotions is normal. It takes them out of their element and that's all they think about. Coaches also have to know their players are mature enough to walk away if they retaliate.

That's the difference from when you were coaching and Coach Cecil. He truly believes it is "how you play the game not whether you win or lose". You do not be the instigator, you play clean and within the rules at all times. You respect your opponent at all times. Coach has a system and those players who deviate from that are aware of policy. When infractions occur they are handled fairly and the whole team is aware of the results. This coach has a uniform for anyone that wants "belong" to a TEAM, but you have to get along to go along. Coach checks weekly GPA's and attendance, if not acceptable, YOU WILL NOT PLAY. This applies to every member of the TEAM. Coach looks at football as 7th period. The longest class of the day. And in 7th period he discusses geometry, angles of movement. He discusses physics, time and distance. He discusses statistics, 4th and 20. He discusses rule of law, holding, 10 yards. He discusses philosophy, everyone has a burden to carry. He discusses civics, how to best represent your community. He discusses physiology, taking care of your body for life. In between all that discussion he has a football practice. Amazing to watch. We will not know the results for 5 or 10 years but I have a feeling he will turn out the most productive teams in LC history no matter what their record is.