[mr.charlie hustle]

The decline of the Paintsville High School football program cannot be solely placed at the feet of their coach Jason Kinner.Coach Kinner came into the chief leadership of the program with little coaching and no head coaching experience. He took the helm of a historically verile program where once proudly played. Most young would jump at that opportunity and I am sure he did. Mr. Kinner was prematurely employed by a system with Economics and politics on it's mind.It was my understanding that a viable alternative was placed on the table prior to the 08 season. This option would have brought a short term coach to the program that had several years of experience and much knowledge of the game.A mentorship program for a few years was proposed and after a few years the change would have been made. Obviously this did not happen.
Coach Kinner's first season at Paintsville was 6-6 including two playoff games. Not great but acceptable under the circumstances. Following the 08 and before the 09 season, the coach was sidetracked to Fla. where he adopted the "Walter Mitty" spread. This must have been where the coach went Awry and the rest has been recent history. Coach Kinner must accept responsibility for the the progress of his teams. It would appear that the system that created this sinero would have the majority of culpability in the failure to produce. It would appear that just a few changes could have brought better results. For instance an 09 Pikeville staff fully expected to take one on the chin at a wet, muddy Memorial Field. Instead the infamous spread took it's toll. Coach Kinner as I have said before is a nice young man with a wonderful family. On this issue he may have to punt. What ever happens please don't blame the kids.

[FBALL]

The decline of Paintsville football has a direct correlation with the asscent of Hohnson Central. Paintsville used to get all of the talent in Johnson County. Now Central does. I think it is just that simple.

[SweetTea]

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The decline of Paintsville football has a direct correlation with the asscent of Hohnson Central. Paintsville used to get all of the talent in Johnson County. Now Central does. I think it is just that simple.

[Bob Seger]

The decline of Paintsville football has a direct correlation with the asscent of Hohnson Central. Paintsville used to get all of the talent in Johnson County. Now Central does. I think it is just that simple.

Uh Oh, you went and done it now.

Purely coinsidental FBALL. lol

[footballfan_95]

The tiger football program was in perfectly good hands under coach allen and having seen them play this year, they have talent but NO COACHING. it is a direct reflection of the school administration playing politics to get someone in who is not ready or has no business being a head coach. it happens all the time in eastern ky.

[Tiger27]

The decline of Paintsville football has a direct correlation with the asscent of Hohnson Central. Paintsville used to get all of the talent in Johnson County. Now Central does. I think it is just that simple.

No its not that "simple". Centrals success may be part of it but their is more to the equation then just their success. If Paintsville took all of the talent in johnson county they would have won state titles. Jc has always had talent but the coaching before musick and jim matney was terrible. Coaching hurt jc in the past and has hurt Paintsville recently. Jc's success has made city kids leave Paintsville and kept county kids from leaving the county. So I can agree with it being part of the problem but that's not hurt the program near as much as the school system has hurt itself with their decisions on coaching.

[Ram Fan04]

The decline of Paintsville football has a direct correlation with the asscent of Hohnson Central. Paintsville used to get all of the talent in Johnson County. Now Central does. I think it is just that simple.

Glad someone had the sack to say what I've thought for a few years now. And I hate to say it as well. Hopefully Paintsville gets back on track being in our district now. Because with an exception of the few years every now and then when Fairview brings in Huntington players Raceland may be head and shoulders above the rest. And I hate that! I grew up watching and playing against tough Paintsville teams and would like to see them get back on track like Lawrence County did. I think a weak schedule may benefit Paintsville. Tear down the structure and build it back up with some wins and confidence! At this point it doesn't do much good to play against teams like P'Burg and LC..

[russellpride]

Glad someone had the sack to say what I've thought for a few years now. And I hate to say it as well. Hopefully Paintsville gets back on track being in our district now. Because with an exception of the few years every now and then when Fairview brings in Huntington players Raceland may be head and shoulders above the rest. And I hate that! I grew up watching and playing against tough Paintsville teams and would like to see them get back on track like Lawrence County did. I think a weak schedule may benefit Paintsville. Tear down the structure and build it back up with some wins and confidence! At this point it doesn't do much good to play against teams like P'Burg and LC..

Fairview is solid program man wake up! Same could be said for Raceland having Greenup kids. Coach McPeek is a winner and does things right way. Fairview will be right there with Raceland year in and year out. It's all fair good luck to Paintsville.

[Bob Seger]

Fairview is solid program man wake up! Same could be said for Raceland having Greenup kids. Coach McPeek is a winner and does things right way. Fairview will be right there with Raceland year in and year out. It's all fair good luck to Paintsville.

Yeah, I'm not getting that one. For the most part I would say in the last 10 years Fairview has been right up there with Raceland, and in several of those years they have had the better team.

[Ram Fan04]

I won't even reply to that because this thread is about Paintsville not Fairview.

[Ram Fan04]

Yeah, I'm not getting that one. For the most part I would say in the last 10 years Fairview has been right up there with Raceland, and in several of those years they have had the better team.

How many regional titles has Fairview been to?

[Bob Seger]

How many regional titles has Fairview been to?

Dont know and could care less. That does not refute the statement from myself and russellpride.:eyeroll:

[Ram Fan04]

If you say so.. But like I said above I don't want to ruin these guys thread about Paintsville. So I won't reply. I shouldn't have even taken the bait to begin with.

[russellpride]

Fairview is last ten years is number 4 ranked right there with Raceland for most wins in the area. Russell, Raceland, Johnson Central, and Fairview are right there together. That's hard to believe considering Fairview had no team in the late 1990's. I know this is about Paintsville but it's really about the upcoming district and I can bet Fairview will be winning some of those districts just competing with Raceland. Good luck to all teams.

[Bob Seger]

If you say so.. But like I said above I don't want to ruin these guys thread about Paintsville. So I won't reply. I shouldn't have even taken the bait to begin with.

Taken the bait??????

You're the one that stuck his foot in his mouth to begin with by making this "Paintsville thread" into a Fairview bashing thread. Look in the mirror on this one bub.

[Ram Fan04]

Fairview is last ten years is number 4 ranked right there with Raceland for most wins in the area. Russell, Raceland, Johnson Central, and Fairview are right there together. That's hard to believe considering Fairview had no team in the late 1990's. I know this is about Paintsville but it's really about the upcoming district and I can bet Fairview will be winning some of those districts just competing with Raceland. Good luck to all teams.

Where did you see this at. Not calling you out on it at all. Because it's probably true. I'd just honestly like to see it broke down if you have seen that somewhere. Would be an interesting read.

[Ram Fan04]

Taken the bait??????

You're the one that stuck his foot in his mouth to begin with by making this "Paintsville thread" into a Fairview bashing thread. Look in the mirror on this one bub.

I bashed Fairview? I just said the truth. I said the years they were without a transfer from Huntington Raceland would win. How is that bashing? Go back and look it's the truth. I wasn't even crying about it or saying anything negative about it. Transfers happen whether we like it or not. Just saying the truth. Do you want me to break it down by year for you?

[Tiger27]

You guys can base your opinion on thinking Paintsville used to steal talent from jc in football but that's not the case. Paintsville used to out coach them in football. Jc before bill musick had horrible coaches. Jc should have beat Paintsville almost every season in the past but they couldn't because their coaches were terrible and paintsvilles were alot better. Jc middle school teams used to whip Paintsville every year and then get to high school and the same kids would get whipped by phs. If jc would have had good coaches in the past a win in the apple bowl for Paintisville wouldnt have happened as often as it did in the past.

[Tiger27]

You guys can base your opinion on thinking Paintsville used to steal talent from jc in football but that's not the case. Paintsville used to out coach them in football. Jc before bill musick had horrible coaches. Jc should have beat Paintsville almost every season in the past but they couldn't because their coaches were terrible and paintsvilles were alot better. Jc middle school teams used to whip Paintsville every year and then get to high school and the same kids would get whipped by phs. If jc would have had good coaches in the past a win in the apple bowl for Paintisville wouldnt have happened as often as it did in the past.

[FBALL]

I'm kind of dating myself here but Johnson Central was in our district when I was in high school. We also played Paintsville. We beat both by the way. Sorry had to throw that in there. Paintsville was led by Joey Couch. They had Minix who kind of grew up around the Russell/Ashland area. They had some really talented teams for a 1A school. Johnson Central had some size but not near the talent.

The schools are about what? Maybe a mile apart. You bring up Coaching and that is part of the equation. Matney now and Music before him got the players to come to JC. I have no bias here. That's just the way I see it.

[mandan]

The tiger football program was in perfectly good hands under coach allen .........

Whatever happened to Coach Allen? Is he coaching anywhere?

[Hoot Gibson]

I'm kind of dating myself here but Johnson Central was in our district when I was in high school. We also played Paintsville. We beat both by the way. Sorry had to throw that in there. Paintsville was led by Joey Couch. They had Minix who kind of grew up around the Russell/Ashland area. They had some really talented teams for a 1A school. Johnson Central had some size but not near the talent.

The schools are about what? Maybe a mile apart. You bring up Coaching and that is part of the equation. Matney now and Music before him got the players to come to JC. I have no bias here. That's just the way I see it.

There is more natural talent in the Johnson County system than in the Paintsville system and there always has been. You just did not always see it displayed on the field because of years of poor coaching at all levels. There were some decent head coaches who had very short tenures before Bill Musick, but Musick put the program on the right track, not only at the high school level but also at the middle and elementary school levels.

Paintsville has had excellent football coaches throughout most of Johnson Central's existence they were able to put better football players on the field for many years but the potential has always been there for Johnson Central.

I have said it before but since Matney took over at JC, there is not longer the incentive for kids living in the county school district to attend Paintsville just to play football. Paintsville's success in basketball and other sports, along with the trend of kids to specialize in a single sport has also hurt the program, IMO. In Walter Brugh's day, the best athletes at Paintsville played football with very few exceptions and Brugh and his staff had the ability to shape that talent into some great football players.

[Tiger27]

Whatever happened to Coach Allen? Is he coaching anywhere?

He's an assistant at prestonsburg

[oneijoe]

Whatever happened to Coach Allen? Is he coaching anywhere?

He's Prestonsburg's offensive coordinator. The wide-open passing offense the Blackcats run is the brainchild of his and Coach D's.

As far as the subject matter of this thread... I think the previous 114 threads discussing it have covered it sufficiently. :HitWall:

[Tiger27]

He's Prestonsburg's offensive coordinator. The wide-open passing offense the Blackcats run is the brainchild of his and Coach D's.

As far as the subject matter of this thread... I think the previous 114 threads discussing it have covered it sufficiently. :HitWall:

LOL I think everyone in Johnson County and the surrounding counties knows that people want a change at paintsville. No point in saying anything anymore because from what Ive been told a change isnt being made so everyones just gonna have to live with it. When paintsville fired Allen they done pburg a favor because they gained to great assistants out of the deal. JTA and Chirico are great coaches. From now on im gonna start watching JC and pburg football games. :Thumbs:

[mr.charlie hustle]

He's Prestonsburg's offensive coordinator. The wide-open passing offense the Blackcats run is the brainchild of his and Coach D's.

As far as the subject matter of this thread... I think the previous 114 threads discussing it have covered it sufficiently. :HitWall:

I think you are probably correct Joe. Gosh 114 threads that says something right there!

[oneijoe]

I think you are probably correct Joe. Gosh 114 threads that says something right there!

well... I may have exaggerated a little. :biggrin:

[mr.charlie hustle]

well... I may have exaggerated a little. :biggrin:

Maybe :biggrin:

[Redneck]

The decline of Paintsville football has a direct correlation with the asscent of Hohnson Central. Paintsville used to get all of the talent in Johnson County. Now Central does. I think it is just that simple.

Wrong...

[Redneck]

There is more natural talent in the Johnson County system than in the Paintsville system and there always has been. You just did not always see it displayed on the field because of years of poor coaching at all levels. There were some decent head coaches who had very short tenures before Bill Musick, but Musick put the program on the right track, not only at the high school level but also at the middle and elementary school levels.

Paintsville has had excellent football coaches throughout most of Johnson Central's existence they were able to put better football players on the field for many years but the potential has always been there for Johnson Central.

I have said it before but since Matney took over at JC, there is not longer the incentive for kids living in the county school district to attend Paintsville just to play football. Paintsville's success in basketball and other sports, along with the trend of kids to specialize in a single sport has also hurt the program, IMO. In Walter Brugh's day, the best athletes at Paintsville played football with very few exceptions and Brugh and his staff had the ability to shape that talent into some great football players.

We've had this arguement before. So once again, since there has been SO MANY kids leave the county to play football at Paintsville, NAME THEM. And try to come up with other ones besides Hans, Wes, Blevins, and Subby, they were all on the same team. Come up with some more, since there has been so many and since that's the only reason Paintsville ever had good teams.