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12-31-2005, 05:24 AM
what do you all think. IMO i don't think they should because it is just cutting time for the high school boys that need to play.
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12-31-2005, 12:10 PM
I think if you are in middle school, you should only play middle school ball. A player that stands out in middle school could be taking the spot of a freshman on the freshman team that could use the extra time to develop. I also feel that only freshmen should be allowed on the freshman team, freshman and sophmore on the JV team. But any grade in high school should be allowed on the varsity team.
12-31-2005, 01:02 PM
If the KHSAA allows 7th & 8th graders to play high school basketball & if 3 7th graders & 2 8th graders make up my best five players, then thats who I'll play.
The reason being is because the object of the game is to win, not to develop players. A coach can't lose 12-15 games trying to get kids experience when he can play better ball players and lose less games. Thats ridiculous!
BTW......If you guys are referring to Elijah Justice from Dorton playing for the Shelby Valley Wildcats, then it just proves my point all the more. The kid can play and he proved it last night, IMO. Nothing spectacular, but really steady. He hit two big free throws, made a couple of nice passes, and had no turnovers during the part of the game I watched. I'm not a fan of Jason Booher, but this is a good move in my opinion.
The reason being is because the object of the game is to win, not to develop players. A coach can't lose 12-15 games trying to get kids experience when he can play better ball players and lose less games. Thats ridiculous!
BTW......If you guys are referring to Elijah Justice from Dorton playing for the Shelby Valley Wildcats, then it just proves my point all the more. The kid can play and he proved it last night, IMO. Nothing spectacular, but really steady. He hit two big free throws, made a couple of nice passes, and had no turnovers during the part of the game I watched. I'm not a fan of Jason Booher, but this is a good move in my opinion.
12-31-2005, 01:08 PM
"HappyGilmore" Wrote:If the KHSAA allows 7th & 8th graders to play high school basketball & if 3 7th graders & 2 8th graders make up my best five players, then thats who I'll play.
The reason being is because the object of the game is to win, not to develop players. A coach can't lose 12-15 games trying to get kids experience when he can play better ball players and lose less games. Thats ridiculous!
BTW......If you guys are referring to Elijah Justice from Dorton playing for the Shelby Valley Wildcats, then it just proves my point all the more. The kid can play and he proved it last night, IMO. Nothing spectacular, but really steady. He hit two big free throws, made a couple of nice passes, and had no turnovers during the part of the game I watched. I'm not a fan of Jason Booher, but this is a good move in my opinion.
Good Post!!
This isn't Junior Pro or Little League- you earn your spot and your playing time.
12-31-2005, 01:10 PM
Look at the girls game happens at 90% of the schools.
As a coach you play to win.
I know it hurts some feelings but look at this, if a team has 5 seniors and they are 1 and 11, wouldn't you move kids up to increase playing time, you play the game to win but you have to look at the big picture. If Im losing with seniors then why not lose with the younger kids, give them court time.
Richie Farmer looked pretty good as an 8th grader in rupp
As a coach you play to win.
I know it hurts some feelings but look at this, if a team has 5 seniors and they are 1 and 11, wouldn't you move kids up to increase playing time, you play the game to win but you have to look at the big picture. If Im losing with seniors then why not lose with the younger kids, give them court time.
Richie Farmer looked pretty good as an 8th grader in rupp
12-31-2005, 01:13 PM
I believe that it's fine to play high school ball, but I don't believe that the high school coach should ask a middle school player to quit playing middle school ball.
You should play the best, but I didn't agree with the statement that the object of the game is to win, not develop players.
As a coach, your only job objective isn't to JUST win ball games, it should be about wanting to make each and EVERY player on your team better. I'm not saying give them a starting position, but with experience comes skill.
As a player myself, I am a perfect example. When I started playing high school ball in the eighth grade, I wasn't all that great, but I still seen about a minute of playing time a game because my coach wanted the younger players to gain some varsity ball experience, and in the long run, it helped me out tremendously. I'm sorry, but you may not think a player is all that good, but if they sit on the bench how can they be???? Every player deserves the opportunity to play and prove what they CAN do.
You should play the best, but you shouldn't disregard the growth of the other players on the team. Ever had the saying, "winning isn't everything"?
You should play the best, but I didn't agree with the statement that the object of the game is to win, not develop players.
As a coach, your only job objective isn't to JUST win ball games, it should be about wanting to make each and EVERY player on your team better. I'm not saying give them a starting position, but with experience comes skill.
As a player myself, I am a perfect example. When I started playing high school ball in the eighth grade, I wasn't all that great, but I still seen about a minute of playing time a game because my coach wanted the younger players to gain some varsity ball experience, and in the long run, it helped me out tremendously. I'm sorry, but you may not think a player is all that good, but if they sit on the bench how can they be???? Every player deserves the opportunity to play and prove what they CAN do.
You should play the best, but you shouldn't disregard the growth of the other players on the team. Ever had the saying, "winning isn't everything"?
12-31-2005, 02:04 PM
I say play them. If they are that good get them in to the game.
12-31-2005, 02:06 PM
Mike Hall from SF didnt play middle school ball his 8th grade year, the coach made him choose and he chose to play High school...
But anyway I think they should
But anyway I think they should
12-31-2005, 02:12 PM
if they r good enough to play let'em play
12-31-2005, 02:12 PM
"HappyGilmore" Wrote:If the KHSAA allows 7th & 8th graders to play high school basketball & if 3 7th graders & 2 8th graders make up my best five players, then thats who I'll play.Nope, didnt mean anything about any player. I didnt even know that Valley played him at all. I just think it is basically the same thing as holding kids back. Let the middle school players play against middle school players there own age. But then again. Isnt Elijah supposed to be a freshman this year? But let the middle school players develop with the middle school. Why put a player with 5 and sometimes 6 more years of playing on the court and take away time from someone who only has 4 or less of playing time. Who knows, the player that is sitting as a freshman might turn out to be a very good player if he has the court time he supposed to have instead of losing it to a 8th grader....
The reason being is because the object of the game is to win, not to develop players. A coach can't lose 12-15 games trying to get kids experience when he can play better ball players and lose less games. Thats ridiculous!
BTW......If you guys are referring to Elijah Justice from Dorton playing for the Shelby Valley Wildcats, then it just proves my point all the more. The kid can play and he proved it last night, IMO. Nothing spectacular, but really steady. He hit two big free throws, made a couple of nice passes, and had no turnovers during the part of the game I watched. I'm not a fan of Jason Booher, but this is a good move in my opinion.
I know alot wont agree with this statement. But good coaches can change a season. Great coaches can change lives. Coaches shouldnt be looked upon by there win/loss records. But more to how young men are better people because they played for him and he made a difference in there life.
12-31-2005, 04:37 PM
"Basketballer" Wrote:Mike Hall from SF didnt play middle school ball his 8th grade year, the coach made him choose and he chose to play High school...
But anyway I think they should
The Middle school coach made him choose.
12-31-2005, 06:39 PM
Michael Jordan didnt make his varsity team as a freshman. Just think if his spot his sophmore year was taken by a 8th grader. If he wasnt developed as a player from his coaches, like was said earlier, then look at all the plays we as fans would have missed out on.
01-01-2006, 01:47 AM
"Doc Holliday" Wrote:The Middle school coach made him choose.Yep I remmeber that....And he choose to play for Henry
01-01-2006, 01:48 AM
"Shalayne" Wrote:Michael Hall was the 6th man on the highschool team his 8th grade year and he was more than capable of playin highschool ball! If they are good enough to play then they should play!I agree, He was good
01-01-2006, 02:43 AM
"BasketBallonlyfan" Wrote:Michael Jordan didnt make his varsity team as a freshman. Just think if his spot his sophmore year was taken by a 8th grader. If he wasnt developed as a player from his coaches, like was said earlier, then look at all the plays we as fans would have missed out on.
Good point, but if the 8th grader practices with the varsity and out hustles and out plays the high schoolers in practice then since they earned the spot they should play.
There is no possible way an 8th grader would have played over MJ i don't care if he was 20x better he wouldnt play over him y?
Because MJ worked his tail off gave it 120% everytime he steped on the floor
Daniel Harmons work ethic and heart kinda of reminds me of michael work ethic and heart
01-01-2006, 07:03 AM
What would have been the purpose of O.J. Mayo playing grade school ball?
01-01-2006, 10:33 AM
I am sorry, I just dont think it is right. I mean, kids only get 4 years to play high school ball. Let the middle school players take there 4 years when they are in high school. Dont let them take time away from someone with limited time to play anyways. The middle school players will get there high school time when they get in high school.
01-01-2006, 10:43 PM
Do you think Bobby Keith would have liked to here bballonly fan say "Do not let Richie Farmer play as an 8th grader because he is taking time from some your average players?" I am sorry but play the best players even if he is a 6th grader.If a young kid proves he can help then play him. Players like Vanhoose,Mike Hall,Heff Conley, Richie Farmer, and yes O.J. all played as middle schoolers and helped right away. If you are in HS and cannot beat out an 8th grader do not blame the 8th grader, suck it up and work to get better and help the team:Thumbs:
01-02-2006, 12:27 AM
if they are good enough play them
01-02-2006, 01:30 AM
Well I think that if they get to play when they are 8th graders then they should have to sit out one year in the high school years. Plus if they wanted to play they shouldn't hold players back!
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