[piratefan20]

does anyone know the rankings 7th grade pike co.

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Virgie - only starts 2 8th graders I think, the rest are 7th and 6th.

Feds Creek - 2 best players are 7th graders.

Johns Creek - first 7 players on A team are 7th graders and 1 6th grader.

Dorton - has Caudill coming back

[bball_fan]

Acctually, I would really like to know the 7th grade standings between the conferences because the 7th grade county tournament is at mullins and I would much rather seed the teams by performance then by what the A teams have done. So please, everyone let me know if you can what the rankings are. In the North, this is what I know of...

Belfry defeated Mullins twice
Pikeville defeated Mullins twice
Mullins defeated Johns Creek once, one game to go.
Mullins has also beaten Phelphs and Kimper.

I do not know about how any other 7th grade teams have done, North or South. Please let me know so we can seed these teams correctly at the tournament instead of going by A team rankings.

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Honestly, no way to seed it "correctly".

Johns Creek, Virgie, and Feds Creek are the 3 best 7th grade teams in Pike County but none of the 3 have played their 7th grade an entire 7th grade game.

Elkhorn City, Phelps, Belfry, Mullins, and Pikeville are right behind that group from the teams I have watched, I have not watched Millard and Dorton 7th grades.

[GHOST]

South should be 1. Feds Creek 2. Virgie 3. Dorton 4. EC 5. Milliard then North 1. Pikeville 2. Belfry 3. Johns Creek or Mullins point spread. 4. Johns Creek or Mullins again point spread. 5. Phelps 6. Kimper

[lovethesport5]

sounds like good year for everyone

[viking_mom]

What is the date for the 7th grade county tournament?

[DortonWildcat5]

South should be 1. Feds Creek 2. Virgie 3. Dorton 4. EC 5. Milliard then North 1. Pikeville 2. Belfry 3. Johns Creek or Mullins point spread. 4. Johns Creek or Mullins again point spread. 5. Phelps 6. Kimper

Elkhorn beat us both times in B team.

[bball_fan]

At this time, I'm not totally sure how Coach Kidd or Principle Burchfield are going to do the B team tournament. It would be hard to do it by standings now because certain teams like Virgie, Feds Creek and Johns Creek hold there most talented 7th graders out for A team. You could go by the records of the B team games anyway but then again, the two best teams in the county on B team could end up facing off against each other. From what I have gathered though from Coaches, the actual B team standings would be...

south
1 & 2.feds creek or virgie
3.elkhorn
4.dorton
5.millard

north
1.pikeville
2.belfry
3.mullins
4.johns creek
5.phelphs
6.kimper

It would be up for debate though what the standings would be if teams had played all players eligible for the B team games.

[TimTheToolManTaylor]

I dont think that you should play kids in the 7th grade tournament that doesn't play on the B team every night. The reason for this is to reward the kids that play all year but have nothing to play for at the end. If the kids who start A team get to play, that just contridicts everything said about the tournament. So like I say, you should only be allowed to play the kids that play B team the entire year. The ones that play A team will have already played a tournament. If they are allowed to play, they just knock the other kids out of playing a tournament. If that is the case then there is no need to even have one. I know in the north that Feds Creek should be one and Elkhorn City should be 2. Feds Creek beat EC twice but I'm not sure about the other teams they have played. I do know that Virgie and Mullins both split with EC. I talked with my buddy that coaches the C team at EC and he said that their B team has beat Pikeville twice, Dorton tiwce, Millard twice, Phleps twice, and John's Creek twice. They beat Belfry the only time they played he said. I think he said that they split with Virgie and Mullins but lost to Feds Creek both times. If that is true then EC should have a pretty good ranking.

[bball_fan]

Its going to be hard to set the rules for this tournament in stone because it was given the green light so late in the season. My personal opinion is kids should have to play in a certain amount of games during the regular B team season, with the only exception to this being injury return. I honestly do not know how many 7th grade superstars have played B team this year or not, but I think a lot will be learned from this tournament this year that will make it better in years to come. As for the standings, I think the B team tournament would be wide open going by the B team players who have played every night.

As for what we (Mullins) have done this year, the results that stand out in my mind are...

Lost to Belfry by between 5 to 8 @ Belfry
Lost to Belfry by I THINK less then 5 @ Home.
Lost to Pikeville bad @ Pikeville
Lost to Pikeville by 1 @ home. (We missed 3 lay ups in the last 10 seconds though, really feel we should have won this game but it was a great game)
Lost to Dorton by 5 to 8 points @ home.
Lost to Elkhorn by less then 5 @ home (We had a 10 point lead in the 3rd quarter though.)
Won against Elkhorn by 1 or 2 @ Elkhorn (Only had 7 players that night, was really proud of our boys.)
Swept Phelps (Believe both games was 20+ wins)
Swept Kimper
Won against Johns Creek by 25+ @ Mullins (5 a team starters played the first 3 minutes of the game, score was 1-0 Johns Creek when they left the game.)
Swept Millard

***I do not remember the out come against Feds Creek B team, I think we won but I could be wrong. I do not have the book in front of me and we played them in November. I have been told that Johnny and Cameron play some B team but I do remember 100 for sure they did not play against us because we had planned to run them to death in the B team game if they played.

In our case, our team got a lot better as the season went along thanks to a few transfers and a injury return, however one of my top 7 players quit during Christmas break, and one of my most talented players broke his arm against Belfry at home.

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Its a 7th grade tournament, so if your in 7th grade or below you get to play.

I'm not going to punish my 7th graders who have played a BRUTAL SCHEDULE including Johnson Central, Betsy Layne, Virgie, and Hazard(who are 4 of the top 7-8 8th grade teams in the state!!!!)

I have tried for the past 4 years while I was at Belfry to have this and the 6th grade tournaments, I've talked to 6 coaches and I'm very confident we are not going to add or change rules to benefit anyone.

1 Rule - 7th grade or below.

The seeding thing sucks and it is what it is but Johns Creek will show up and play anyone, anywhere, anytime. The same could be said for a lot of schools in the county.

[bball_fan]

As I said before, the way this tournament and the C team tournament is done this year will be a lot different next year because it is the first time having it and on such late notice. The only way you could do it this year would be have the clear cut rule of 7th grade and lower being eligible for the B team tournament and 6th and lower being eligible for the C team. From a coaches point of view, that is straight forward and clear cut.

The problem I fear that will come up this year with some teams, and please do not take this as me trying to scape goat certain teams into not playing certain players because this is not what my intentions are! But from a parent's point of view, how would you feel if your children played B team all year and got serious minutes but in the County Tournament they was replaced by players who are in the same grade but did not play on the B team throughout the season, because they was being saved for the A team game? I know from a coaches point of view, its a County Tournament so all bets are off as long as you can win within the rule book. From a parent's point of view though, this is not going to be the case.

My worry is throwing this together this quickly like we have is going to cause some issues with some parents. However, I have realized in two short years of coaching that you will have problems with parents no matter what. Luckily Mullins will not be in this situation this year but we will still play any team that steps on the court with us to the best of our ability.

This is just some concerns that need to be address next year before these tournaments are held!

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If your worried about parents, you won't coach very long........................

[bball_fan]

I agree with you for this year, just think in the future that more guide lines have got to be set for the regular season and the tournament.

[piratefan20]

Tournament should be seeded by win / lost records plain and simple. 1 plays 6, 2 plays 5, 3 plays 4. As for the 7th grade players that start 8th games hats off to them and there coaches for their hard work. Now as far as them being allowed to play in the 7th grade tournament thats a good ? but who has the answer. If anyone knows please post it.

[piratefan20]

I know they have north and south teams the best in the north should play the best in the south in the finals.

[Janitor_32]

Its going to be hard to set the rules for this tournament in stone because it was given the green light so late in the season. My personal opinion is kids should have to play in a certain amount of games during the regular B team season, with the only exception to this being injury return. I honestly do not know how many 7th grade superstars have played B team this year or not, but I think a lot will be learned from this tournament this year that will make it better in years to come. As for the standings, I think the B team tournament would be wide open going by the B team players who have played every night.

As for what we (Mullins) have done this year, the results that stand out in my mind are...

Lost to Belfry by between 5 to 8 @ Belfry
Lost to Belfry by I THINK less then 5 @ Home.
Lost to Pikeville bad @ Pikeville
Lost to Pikeville by 1 @ home. (We missed 3 lay ups in the last 10 seconds though, really feel we should have won this game but it was a great game)
Lost to Dorton by 5 to 8 points @ home.
Lost to Elkhorn by less then 5 @ home (We had a 10 point lead in the 3rd quarter though.)
Won against Elkhorn by 1 or 2 @ Elkhorn (Only had 7 players that night, was really proud of our boys.)
Swept Phelps (Believe both games was 20+ wins)
Swept Kimper
Won against Johns Creek by 25+ @ Mullins (5 a team starters played the first 3 minutes of the game, score was 1-0 Johns Creek when they left the game.)
Swept Millard

***I do not remember the out come against Feds Creek B team, I think we won but I could be wrong. I do not have the book in front of me and we played them in November. I have been told that Johnny and Cameron play some B team but I do remember 100 for sure they did not play against us because we had planned to run them to death in the B team game if they played.

In our case, our team got a lot better as the season went along thanks to a few transfers and a injury return, however one of my top 7 players quit during Christmas break, and one of my most talented players broke his arm against Belfry at home.

Just to clear everything up about Feds Creek. We defeated you by like 7-10 points I think @ mullins, but we still have one game to play at Feds Creek. I know that our "7th graders" should win this tourney because they are undefeated and 8th Graders lost one game to Pike Co. teams the other night at virgie. If my memory is correct the closes game we have had in Pike Co. was Pikeville like 5 points @ Pikeville. we have 6 of the top 7 players for our A team is 7th graders, so good luck to everyone and I guess we will see how the outcome goes.

[bball_fan]

Maybe Feds Creek did beat us at Mullins, I honestly do not remember much from that game because we have played so many games since then.

[TimTheToolManTaylor]

There is no use to even have one then. It is suppose to be for the kids who do not get to play in the A team games. If the ones who start and play A team get to play in this one, it just defeats the whole purpose of rewarding the other kids who don't. They still end up not having a tournament because they will end up being replaced by kids who have already had one. Let these kids play who have to sit on the bench and watch the A team play all year and in the the county tournament. That's just my opion though.

[vikingmom2009]

Yes Feds Creek did beat Mullins @ Mullins. Our 7th grade team is undefeated. Is this tourney for 7th graders only? I don't understand why this thread says #1&2 Feds Creek and Virgie....Feds Creek should be # 1 hands down. We best Virgie B-team twice. Our B-team has not lost a game, so why would there be any question as to what number we would be. There are alot of good B-teams in the county and this should make for a good tourney.

[bball_fan]

At least someone else on here is seeing the point I have been trying to make. 7th graders who start on and play on on the A team will get to play in the A team tournament. The kids who start B team and never get time in the A team games if they are even on the A team will be done wrong.

A rule Floyd county use to have that I believe would be good for Pike County is if you start on the A team as a 5th, 6th or 7th grader, you cannot play on B or C teams.

Its just a matter of being fair to all of these kids. Now if the kids started on B team and A team, then nothing will be said by anyone. If they play B team only for the tournament, there will be a lot of upset kids and parents.

As for my statements about Mullins beating Feds Creek B team, I was wrong. I said from the beginning that I was not sure but I thought we had won but we did not. It was a good game though.

[piratefan20]

All good comments on this thread but i wish the ones in charge of the tournament whould make a comment and post it. Then all ? would be anwsered. I love basketball when it is played right , coached right , refed right and yes that is alot to ask but man whould that be great.

[bball_fan]

With the powers at be are the coaches, and everything has to be decided by the coaches. I believe most of us would be split on the choice about who is eligible for the B team tournament and who is not. I cannot speak for Mullins but I'm pretty certain that my points would be agreed on by powers at be at Mullins.

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You guys/girls crack me up......................

[vikingmom2009]

At least someone else on here is seeing the point I have been trying to make. 7th graders who start on and play on on the A team will get to play in the A team tournament. The kids who start B team and never get time in the A team games if they are even on the A team will be done wrong.

A rule Floyd county use to have that I believe would be good for Pike County is if you start on the A team as a 5th, 6th or 7th grader, you cannot play on B or C teams.

Its just a matter of being fair to all of these kids. Now if the kids started on B team and A team, then nothing will be said by anyone. If they play B team only for the tournament, there will be a lot of upset kids and parents.

As for my statements about Mullins beating Feds Creek B team, I was wrong. I said from the beginning that I was not sure but I thought we had won but we did not. It was a good game though.

Ok so from this post you are saying that in your opinion 7th graders who start A team should be ineligible which I think is wrong. A 7th grader is a 7th grader. However you wanna know what I think is wrong is when you have 7th graders who are supposed to be freshmen playing the 7th grade tourney. In my opinon I think that all true 7th graders should get to play the tourney regardless of what teams they start on. So, if that is going to be a rule then you need to get ages for all 7th graders and any holdbacks should not get to play either if you wanna make it FAIR as you say. Because in my opinion what you are trying to do is keep the good 7th graders out of the tourney. If you want to have a 7th grade tourney then have a 7th grade tourney!!!

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Ok so from this post you are saying that in your opinion 7th graders who start A team should be ineligible which I think is wrong. A 7th grader is a 7th grader. However you wanna know what I think is wrong is when you have 7th graders who are supposed to be freshmen playing the 7th grade tourney. In my opinon I think that all true 7th graders should get to play the tourney regardless of what teams they start on. So, if that is going to be a rule then you need to get ages for all 7th graders and any holdbacks should not get to play either if you wanna make it FAIR as you say. Because in my opinion what you are trying to do is keep the good 7th graders out of the tourney. If you want to have a 7th grade tourney then have a 7th grade tourney!!!

There are rules in place for the age.

You cannot turn 14 before Aug. 1st of your 7th grade year, 15 your 8th, etc., etc.......19 your 12th.

[bball_fan]

A rule just simply needs to be put in place so the kids who play B and C team during the regular season, are the kids who get to play during the tournament. 7th graders who do not play B team throughout the regular season, should not be eligible to play come tournament time. The finer points of the rule need to be talked about by the coaches after this tournament.

[piratefan20]

It sounds to me that the people that do not want the 7th graders that play on the 8th grade teams are afraid of getting beat. With that said it also sounds like the people that do want the 7th graders that play 8th grade games to play in the 7th grade tournament are afraid that they will lose with out them. So whatever the case maybe whats the best for all the kids and pike co. I just wanted to know the rankings

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It sounds to me that the people that do not want the 7th graders that play on the 8th grade teams are afraid of getting beat. With that said it also sounds like the people that do want the 7th graders that play 8th grade games to play in the 7th grade tournament are afraid that they will lose with out them. So whatever the case maybe whats the best for all the kids and pike co. I just wanted to know the rankings

Understood.

The rankings as I see it from watching kids play and talking to other coaches and using all 7th graders -

#1 - Feds Creek/Virgie

#3 - Johns Creek


#4 - Pikeville
#5 - Belfry/Dorton/Elkhorn City/Phelps


Feds Creek and Virgie are very good. Johns Creek is a work in progress. Pikeville has solid guards but no bigs.

Phelps is listed because they are a solid 7th grade team, but like Johns Creek/Virgie/Feds Creek, play their better 7th graders against A teams.

The winner of the 7th grade tourney will be 1 of the top 3.