[Flashman]

What can be done with the refs do make a lot of bad calls or lack of calls that ends up determining the outcome of a game?

[zebra'seyes]

Get your license and try to do better!

[cougarpride08]

That is one profession that I wouldn't have.

[Jumper Dad]

Flashman I don't know, that was the worst officiated game Friday I have seen in a while. Just as I'm sure you guys thought you got bad calls or no calls, the Somerset side was going crazy about missed calls and the refs not knowing when to rule a ball live on a punt.

I was also told by our radio guys that this crew was also doing one of the finals. It was supposedly the first time they had worked together.

[lawrencefan]

As long as they are fair.

[Flashman]

Get your license and try to do better!

Now that's a snippy remark. That really tells a lot about what kind of person you are. The Bible says in the Book of Proverbs it is devilish to have a "sharp tongue".

Anyways, there really are instances where refs have cheated kids out of games or at least cost them a win. For example, my senior year at Buckhorn High School we played Knott County in the 14th region boys basketball finals. Knott County made a last second three pointer that would have given them a one point vicotry and a trip to the Sweet Sixteen, but the ref said that the Knott County player's foot was on the line and they just got two points for the shot. As a result it put the game into overt time and Buckhorn won. Now obviuosly that is an instance where it worked out in my favor, but it does not always work out that way. Also, those boys from Knott County missed out on an opportunity of a lifetime as a result of that call.

I guess what I am saying is there anyone that monitors referees because let's be real about this...not everyone is honest and some people just do not have the skills. It would seem to me that if a ref continued to make bad calls or lack of calls in big games then there might be a problem.

[Jumper Dad]

Flashman, that young man is a Ref and a very good one at that. He wasn't working Friday but was in the stands watching the game. I'm sure he was speaking in general as everyone thinks the ref intentionally screw up or miss calls, but they are trying their best to get it right.

A guy I graduated with has been an official for years, a few years ago he had back surgery and could not ref that season. He spent the entire season going from game to game auditing officials. I'm sure there are still people that do that and turn in reports to the KSHAA

[MiddlesboroAlumni]

I hope this thread isn't referring to the Breathitt/Somerset game in some form or fashion? I could imagine it does. :biggrin:

[Ptp71]

It does effect the outcome of the game. I think a good idea is to get refes from out of the area so they couldn't side for the team they like. I know it can't happen because it would cost too much but they might make it a little better

[smashmouth]

I know about the only thing I could imagine that can be done is to get the game film together and send it into KHSAA to be reviewed. They can check these bad calls and go over them and hopefully do something about the crew!

[Jumper Dad]

Playoff crews, are from out of the area.

[Stardust]

Get your license and try to do better!

Best post on here! Great job!

[nky]

Get your license and try to do better!

every region in the state needs more people to be officials.
Stop complaining and become one and see how easy it is.

[cat86]

Playoff crews, are from out of the area.

BUT...that is not necessarily a good thing. In the Prestonsburg-Corbin game, 3 of the 4 originally scheduled officiating crew were FROM CORBIN. While they were "technically" out of the area, they were from the visiting team's home district. The crew got reassigned, and a different crew was brought in at the last minute. I'm not insinuating that anything improper would have occurred, but when you get to a regional championship level, due diligence should dictate that the officiating crew should be from NEITHER team's home district.

[cj2561]

It is like my coach told use, You are playing 15 guys. 11 from the other teams, and the refs. Don't do nothing to make them throw the flags.
It someone else said in one of there post, in the playoffs, the refs is out of the area. That is way they get pay more in the playoffs.

[Bluegrasscard]

Be up by more than 2 touchdowns toward the end of the game should work. If one call makes or break the game then the losing team wasn't all that much better than the winning team.

[neerfan]

Get your license and try to do better!

every region in the state needs more people to be officials.
Stop complaining and become one and see how easy it is.

It only cost you 50.00 and take an open book test. I can tell you now that anyone can do it and thats why there is so much complaining about them. Need to make it a little more challenging to get your liscense.

[Big Five-0-]

That is one profession that I wouldn't have.

Agree 100%

[oneijoe]

It only cost you 50.00 and take an open book test. I can tell you now that anyone can do it and thats why there is so much complaining about them. Need to make it a little more challenging to get your liscense.

Making it "more challenging" doesn't exactly jive with needing more, does it ?

That's the crux of the problem. Do we want more poorer quality officials, or less better quality ones ?

I suggest it's about as good as it can be with the $$ offered to do the job...

[cj2561]

Everone always talk bad about the refs, when they miss a call or something. If it is so easy, Then way don't all you guys get your refs liscense.

[lpd826]

Playoff crews, are from out of the area.

It should be a rule that in the playoffs that two crews are used on the filed at all times. There is no way that 4 or 5 guys can watch 22 players at the same time.

[neerfan]

Making it "more challenging" doesn't exactly jive with needing more, does it ?

That's the crux of the problem. Do we want more poorer quality officials, or less better quality ones ?

I suggest it's about as good as it can be with the $$ offered to do the job...

I have several friends that ref now and have been doing it for years and the money is not bad at all. I do not know were you get the idea that it does not pay well? And by making it more challenging you would get better quality people who are not doing just to get extra money. And at that point we would probably not be having these discussions about them. And then people would have to find something different to complain about.

[Flashman]

I was not referring to any particular game although it does bother me for players to feel like they were cheated. As far as the Breathitt vs Somerset game. I think Holcomb lost the game when he didn't go for it on 4th and 1.

So the tape is reviewed in those situations and officials are judged accordingly. That sounds pretty fair to me. I was just wondering if these guys could actually get away with just doing anything they want. That's all. I personally think things always have a way of working their way out. If Breathitt didn't get the calls this year then maybe they will next year. I'm sure last year when they made it to the final game last season that along the way they got a favorable call or two....sometime you get them and sometimes you don't.

Breathitt should also be more concerned about their regular season record. I know that there were key injuries this year, but home field advantage can come in really handy in a regional championship.

[Blackcats2954]

Unless you have actually officiated you have no ideal what you are talking about. I coached middle school football for 14 years and thought I knew the rules. I am now a licensed official and I can assure you I had no clue what the rules were. They have rules clinics every year that is mandatory for all high school coaches to attend but all they discuss at the clinics is any rule changes from the previous year. Most high school coaches do not know the rules. I had an instance in a game this year where the coaches on one team wanted a chop block call on the offensive line from the other team because two offensive linemen were engaging his defensive lineman and one was above the waist and the other below the waist. I explained to him that if the contact is immediately off the line of scrimmage that it is not an illegal block. The whole coaching staff said I was wrong. It's in the rule book in black and white.

[stripes]

One thing that officials do, they work hard, they do their job and if coaches would concentrate more on coaching than yelling and trying to get an official to throw a bogus flag for whatever the reason, the staff may do a little better job in their job.

You can tell the teams, the great teams, coaches coach, kids play the game and the officials manage the game. Really, how many of you guys want to go to a game, or coach a game that last 3-4 hours? That is the kind of game you would get IF officials threw flags straight by the book. What I mean to say is that great officials have a philosophy that they manage a game based on advantage/disadvantage and point of attack ruling, safety etc. Your great officials are not going to call your little face mask or hand in the neutral zone, or your small grasp of the shirt, or your blocked in the side of the back etc. They're going to call fouls that are UGLY, the ones that stick out, the ones that are going to hurst someone such as clipping, block in the middle of the back, face mask, holding that is at the point of attack, hits out of bounds, taunting etc..... That is the seperation between good and great officials.

I understand we have officials that lack in this area but most of you are complaining about officials that call the great game, understand, someone is holding every single play, do you want that to be called?

If you truly have issues and want to officiate, please, knock the door down in Lexington, become an official, here's the link:
http://officials.khsaa.org/officialinterest.htm

Otherwise, if you attend a game this Friday, these officials calling are the great officials from their association they call from, they are your lawyers, teachers, coaches(from other sports) bankers, fathers, sons and they don't drive around the state to manage a football game to take from a child, a team, a coach or a community. They do it because they love the game, action, the sport or working with our youth.

[Maid of the Mts.]

I do not know what each person make's at their job. Do you get talk down to almost every time you do something by two different people, one saying you right and the other saying your wrong. Then the next time it is the other way around. You may be blessed out by both even at the same time. You may have 200-2000 people saying you are not doing your job right, while you are trying to make the two major people happy. Now you are going to have to drive 2-3 hour's to work, 2-3 hour's in the weather(rain,cold, and maybe snow) and now you have done your job a 2-3 hour drive home. Also don't forget you may be shot,stabed or beat-up by some body that thought you did little Johnny wrong. I don't know about the rest of you but at my job I think I would ground's for a lawsuit some where in this crazy post.

[Fiftyishfootballmom]

I think this thread is nuts. Our players make mistakes, our coaches make mistakes, so WHY IN THE WORLD DO WE EXPECT REFS TO BE PERFECT? Some refs are better than others, just like some coaches and teams are better than others. Just another lifes lesson; you deal with whatever controversary comes your way and you get better for it. If you have played a game that comes down to winning or losing with one call then I say you didn't do all you could do to secure the victory.

Obviously I have never been a ref for football but have been a ref for many years in other sports so I do have some inside knowledge of the system. Knowing some of the fans following football, if I were a ref, I would run like 'heck' as soon as the game was over!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zebra'seyes]

Sorry that I can't spell guys! I think people would be surprised about rules and what we call and don't call in general. We attend about 3 clinics a year plus all of our local meetings. This brings me to the money issue. I attend 1 meeting in london, 1 at simon kenton, and 1 local plus about 8 local meetings a year, then I pay KHSAA their dues and our assoc our dues, then I buy equipment all for $75 a Friday night----That is BIG MONEY! You can make money doing this but you have to do it by doing Little League, Middle School, Freshman, JV, and High School but mainly for the LOVE if the game. Also, I would encourage anyone to get involved, especially if they think they can do better!!!

[CAN'T GET RIGHT]

IMO there needs to be a rules clinic for fans. The things that are heard in the stands is sometimes crazy. The problem is the rules, and the game in general, has changed in the 40 years its been since you played. I don't say this in any disrespect, I'm nearly 15 years removed and there are several rules that have changed. If there was a better understanding of the rules on all ends the game would be more enjoyable to watch for everyone. And you may realize that that Zebra may be right! (however hard it would be to admitt it)

[Ten Pin Spare]

[quote=cj2561]It is like my coach told use, You are playing 15 guys. 11 from the other teams, and the refs. Don't do nothing to make them throw the flags.

I have heard somebody else use this fuzzy math before too CJ-3po.

There are 11 players and 5 referees which would equal 16, but I've heard people yell "We're playing 15 out there!"

I just wondered if they couldn't count or which ref they thought was on their side.

I'm not trying to be mean but I laughed when I read it because I've heard it more than once.