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11-23-2009, 08:46 AM
I don't think this topic has been started yet, but if so, just shut this one down.
Sounds like JC has a lot of folks returning next year. As I understand it, the only loss in the O back field is Dillon (although that is a huge loss. I thought he was JC's best all around player). Who else comes back on the O? Any O linemen?
Their D should again be solid with Jude, Hall and Bratton returning. Who else returns?
Realistically, is there any chance that Matney will develop a more dimensional O? Hopefully we can have a constructive conversation about his O. The running attack JC runs is very good. My "problem" if you will with it, is that it just is a liability when JC is down by a couple of scores late in the game. I know some JC folks will say that JC shouldn't put itself in a position that it is down a couple of scores late in the game, but that's not realistic when you are talking about winning state championships.
There will be times that JC will have to play teams equal to or better than it. As good as their running game is, they will find themselves in that position. If they hope to have a realistic chance of getting back in the game, then they have to be able to pass the ball effectively against good passing defenses.
Matney was forced to do so this year against Highlands and last year too. Both times the passing game simply was not there. If Matney sticks with his offensive philosophy, they will in my opinion only beat the teams they are better than, may lose to teams their equal if they make some mistakes, and won't beat teams better than them. If he and the JC fans are content with that, then so be it.
While I'm second guessing Matney (and forgive me for doing so, there just is a part of me that has so much respect for how hard the JC kids play the game and it pains me a bit to see coaching decisions that impair the kids' chances for greater success), does any one else besides me think that Matney wasted an opportunity to improve next year's team in the 4th quarter against Highlands? I think after Highlands scored their last touchdown early in the fourth quarter and started wholesale substitutions, the game was over. All that was undecided was the margin of victory or loss.
Would it have made sense to pull all the JC seniors off the field after Highlands scored to ice the game (call a time out and allow them to leave the field to a standing ovation from the JC fans, and my guess, many Highlands fans too) and put what Matney thinks at this point will be JC's starting O and D on the field to get them some experience for next year? With JC playing so many kids both ways, it's obvious (at least to me) that he needs to develop more depth if they are ever going to win a state championship. Playing back ups in the fourth quarter would have help do so I'd think.
Heck, I'd have used the opportunity to work on the passing game some. Sure there might have been some interceptions, but who cares at that point. A loss is a loss at this stage of the year and the margin of loss is irrelevant. Is the back up qb (number 15) a senior? If not, why not put him in the game at qb and have his pass the ball. He's considered to be the better passer as I understand. Move Hall to a running back spot (Dillon's) and see if that combo works for next year. Put the back up D players on the field and see how they perform against Highlands O. Perhaps with some experience, they can start next year and cut down some of the both way starters. I know Matney is a good coach and turned JC's football program around (thus deserving many accolades and compliments) but I wonder if he is one of those coaches that can only take a program so far.
I know JC has been eliminated from the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years now by two teams that went on to win state and one team that is a heavy favorite to do so this year. I get that. But what I wonder is if Matney developed better depth and if he ran a more diverse O, whether it could have been JC winning state some of those years. And when I say more diverse O, I'm not talking about passing the ball 70% of the time. Highlands only threw the ball 6 times on Friday, but did so much more effectively because they work on it a whole, whole lot. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think they could spend time working on passing in practices and in games without hurting their running game execution.
Please don't take this post as some one dogging Matney or JC. Not my intent. Just asking honest questions about things that I think could be done to make JC even better in 2010.
If JC fans don't want to get into my suggestions, at least go ahead and tell us what players are coming back and how you think they'll do next year.
Sounds like JC has a lot of folks returning next year. As I understand it, the only loss in the O back field is Dillon (although that is a huge loss. I thought he was JC's best all around player). Who else comes back on the O? Any O linemen?
Their D should again be solid with Jude, Hall and Bratton returning. Who else returns?
Realistically, is there any chance that Matney will develop a more dimensional O? Hopefully we can have a constructive conversation about his O. The running attack JC runs is very good. My "problem" if you will with it, is that it just is a liability when JC is down by a couple of scores late in the game. I know some JC folks will say that JC shouldn't put itself in a position that it is down a couple of scores late in the game, but that's not realistic when you are talking about winning state championships.
There will be times that JC will have to play teams equal to or better than it. As good as their running game is, they will find themselves in that position. If they hope to have a realistic chance of getting back in the game, then they have to be able to pass the ball effectively against good passing defenses.
Matney was forced to do so this year against Highlands and last year too. Both times the passing game simply was not there. If Matney sticks with his offensive philosophy, they will in my opinion only beat the teams they are better than, may lose to teams their equal if they make some mistakes, and won't beat teams better than them. If he and the JC fans are content with that, then so be it.
While I'm second guessing Matney (and forgive me for doing so, there just is a part of me that has so much respect for how hard the JC kids play the game and it pains me a bit to see coaching decisions that impair the kids' chances for greater success), does any one else besides me think that Matney wasted an opportunity to improve next year's team in the 4th quarter against Highlands? I think after Highlands scored their last touchdown early in the fourth quarter and started wholesale substitutions, the game was over. All that was undecided was the margin of victory or loss.
Would it have made sense to pull all the JC seniors off the field after Highlands scored to ice the game (call a time out and allow them to leave the field to a standing ovation from the JC fans, and my guess, many Highlands fans too) and put what Matney thinks at this point will be JC's starting O and D on the field to get them some experience for next year? With JC playing so many kids both ways, it's obvious (at least to me) that he needs to develop more depth if they are ever going to win a state championship. Playing back ups in the fourth quarter would have help do so I'd think.
Heck, I'd have used the opportunity to work on the passing game some. Sure there might have been some interceptions, but who cares at that point. A loss is a loss at this stage of the year and the margin of loss is irrelevant. Is the back up qb (number 15) a senior? If not, why not put him in the game at qb and have his pass the ball. He's considered to be the better passer as I understand. Move Hall to a running back spot (Dillon's) and see if that combo works for next year. Put the back up D players on the field and see how they perform against Highlands O. Perhaps with some experience, they can start next year and cut down some of the both way starters. I know Matney is a good coach and turned JC's football program around (thus deserving many accolades and compliments) but I wonder if he is one of those coaches that can only take a program so far.
I know JC has been eliminated from the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years now by two teams that went on to win state and one team that is a heavy favorite to do so this year. I get that. But what I wonder is if Matney developed better depth and if he ran a more diverse O, whether it could have been JC winning state some of those years. And when I say more diverse O, I'm not talking about passing the ball 70% of the time. Highlands only threw the ball 6 times on Friday, but did so much more effectively because they work on it a whole, whole lot. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think they could spend time working on passing in practices and in games without hurting their running game execution.
Please don't take this post as some one dogging Matney or JC. Not my intent. Just asking honest questions about things that I think could be done to make JC even better in 2010.
If JC fans don't want to get into my suggestions, at least go ahead and tell us what players are coming back and how you think they'll do next year.
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11-23-2009, 04:10 PM
JC is a fairly young team. They have 7 seniors that graduate .
11-23-2009, 06:42 PM
2010=weak 1 2 and 3A schedule and then a spanking from a Northeren Ky. team! Ha, big fish in a LITTLE POND!
11-23-2009, 07:08 PM
J J Jude will be a monster running back. I think he is just a sophomore this year isn't he?
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11-23-2009, 08:31 PM
alum_knowitall Wrote:2010=weak 1 2 and 3A schedule and then a spanking from a Northeren Ky. team! Ha, big fish in a LITTLE POND!
I guess I should have asked posters to be constructive in their comments. :HitWall:
With only 7 seniors, I have to conclude that JC will be very, very good again next year. I know Dillon graduates. Will any other starters graduate? Any linemen?
11-23-2009, 08:32 PM
With the JC backs as good as they are (even better as next year approaches) it seems like it would help to get some quick screen or dump passes to get them out in the open. After the half, Highlands just moved some players around on defense and basically shut down the up the middle running game.
11-23-2009, 08:49 PM
That iffense is the reason they are so good idt anyone in their right mind thinks JC has near as much talent as highlands or Covcath but they execute the gameplan very effectively.When that offense is well disciplined which it is it is virtually unstoppable. It even gave mighty Highlands fits. If JC ran a traditional pro style or whtever you are implying they would lose the advantage that running a wishbone gives them.
11-24-2009, 12:42 AM
JC has 10 seniors and i think 6 were starters.
11-24-2009, 12:43 AM
JC also has some very talented freshmen coming in.
11-24-2009, 12:45 AM
ram-97 Wrote:Why then is highlands running from Boyle Co.
:lmao: YOU ARE KIDDING, RIGHT? :lmao:
11-24-2009, 01:28 AM
Blau Vogel Wrote::lmao: YOU ARE KIDDING, RIGHT? :lmao:
I'd LOVE to see a revival of that series!:rockon:
11-24-2009, 01:50 AM
Can you dig it? Wrote:I'd LOVE to see a revival of that series!:rockon:
Me too. It the Highlands running thing that cracked me up.
It is VERY rare for the Birds to play a lower classified team. (with the occasional exception of Beechwood)
11-24-2009, 04:04 AM
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Blau Vogel Wrote:Me too. It the Highlands running thing that cracked me up.
It is VERY rare for the Birds to play a lower classified team. (with the occasional exception of Beechwood)
If the rumors are true, won't Boyle and Highlands both be 4A schools in 2010? That 2004 game at Highlands was one of my all time favorites, and the opportunity to go to Boyle for a game has never worked out for me. (Been to Danville several times, but never Boyle.)
As for the lower classification teams, I think they'd make an exception for NewCath if the opportunity presented itself again.:eyeroll::biggrin:
Sorry. I forgot that this was a Johnson Central thread. Didn't mean to jack it Highlands way.
11-24-2009, 11:58 AM
There are PLENTY of passing plays off of the full house backfield that JC could work on to STRETCH the field. That's the key. Screens and dump passes don't stretch the field. If JC can keep teams from putting 10 in the box, then the backs will have a MUCH better chance of breaking the long gainers. They also need to DEVELOP players to play in a two platoon system. HHS offensive linemen did not play any defense. Dale made a concerted effort to NOT play them on D. Many of those guys were FINE DEFENSIVE players but Dale wanted them fresh and concentrated them on offense only. Roller was the teams BEST tight end, yet he only played defense. Playing kids both ways, in the long run, is a detriment to the overall team. Besides...it gets more kids on the field and keeps the Ft. T parents off his back (LOL). It CAN be done at JC!
11-24-2009, 02:17 PM
#1EagleFan Wrote:JC has 10 seniors and i think 6 were starters.
Well I messed that up. I thought there were 7. :thanks:
11-24-2009, 06:42 PM
JC has 10 seniors......they lose Chris Hill:#8, TE/DB......Nate Dillion:#10, RB/DB....Jordan Pelfrey:#11, RB/DB.....Jordan Owens:#23, TE/LB......Nathan Curnell:#33, TE......Josh McCarty:#50, OL/DL.....Josh Lackey:#53, OL/C......Tim Fairchild:#54, OL/DL....Ryan Harlow:#56, OL/DL....Kirby Castle:#65, OL/DL.............that is all
11-24-2009, 06:47 PM
Can you dig it? Wrote:If the rumors are true, won't Boyle and Highlands both be 4A schools in 2010? That 2004 game at Highlands was one of my all time favorites, and the opportunity to go to Boyle for a game has never worked out for me. (Been to Danville several times, but never Boyle.)
As for the lower classification teams, I think they'd make an exception for NewCath if the opportunity presented itself again.:eyeroll::biggrin:
Sorry. I forgot that this was a Johnson Central thread. Didn't mean to jack it Highlands way.
I also thought that Ashland and JC was thinking about trying to go 4a? How truth is that about Highlands?
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11-25-2009, 12:04 AM
cougarpride08 Wrote:I also thought that Ashland and JC was thinking about trying to go 4a? How truth is that about Highlands?
It's entirely up to the KHSAA, so I can't say for sure. I've heard it from a lot of people who I consider trustworthy. Apparently that's how the numbers play out.
11-25-2009, 12:59 PM
When will they make a decision about it? Once they do they have realign a bunch of teams if they allow all three to go to 4a? What will that do for our region?
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11-25-2009, 01:46 PM
If Ashland left would that mean the possibility that JC would end up in the same district at Letcher County. Then Montgomeryand Woodford could take the place of Highlands and Cov Cath in the other district. Maybe Letcher, Perry and Harlan could come into the district with JC.
11-25-2009, 02:58 PM
The earliest this will happen is for the 2011 season. It is hard to say what the limits for each division will be at that time. I know that the goal is to keep each class as equally balanced as possible. I would say it is very likely that Highlands and CovCath will be in 4a. Highlands presently would be on the low end of 4a and CovCath is about in the middle. Even if Scott's enrollment does not fall to the 4a level, I could see a district of Holmes, CovCath, Highlands, Pendelton and or Grant County.
11-25-2009, 06:02 PM
When they how about Clay and the teams out of district 7? I don't know if this is off topic, but I think it would be better to put JC in district 7 rather than have them in Letcher. To me it makes sense. Will have to wait and see.
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11-26-2009, 02:21 AM
alum_knowitall Wrote:2010=weak 1 2 and 3A schedule and then a spanking from a Northeren Ky. team! Ha, big fish in a LITTLE POND!
"Northeren"? Where in Kentucky is that? It must be even "norther" than Ft. Thomas!
Seriously, this crap is getting old. Which team that used to beat us all the time that doesn't get to beat us anymore are YOU a fan of?
11-26-2009, 12:59 PM
JC fans I'm letting you guys go for this year. I've enjoyed talking a little smack to you before and after the game. But it's time to say it's over and shake hands. You are a gritty competitor which I'm sure will carry over in 2010. I will be on here next year calling you out again, but for now let's go have a cold one somewhere. Let's be thankful that our sons, nephews, friends, or whoever have provided us "know it alls" with so much excitement over the year and last Friday night. We are all truly blessed.
11-28-2009, 11:24 PM
True but a few freshmen did step up this year.
11-29-2009, 02:31 AM
JC should be a solid team next year!!
11-30-2009, 01:17 AM
Will Bell Co and Johnson Central play again in 2010 at Bell Co's field?
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