jim matney

Sugar Bear · 11-04-2005, 12:13 PM

matney is wearing me out. from the time he was at sheldon clark I personaly have never seen the man make a class statement. in 00 up 42 to 0 on ashland he ran a reverse for a touchdown and took a knee on the 2 point conversion. then the next year 01 refused to come take his licks at putnam. only after the khsaa forced sheldon clark come play did thay. now this year he cant stop slandering ashland mud cleats the feild goal and in the paper today "6 inches of mud on the field" its not like the field was only wet under johnson centrals feet, he never stops. i know jc has a great group of young men, there class surprises me with a coach like matney. this is not about his ability to coach x and o its about character.

Golden Toothpick · 11-04-2005, 03:00 PM

:Sad04: Only met the man a few times, he seemed like a class fellow to me, very personable, and a really good coach!

former_cards_player02 · 11-04-2005, 03:03 PM

I know Jim Matney because he was my close at sheldon clark from 98 to 01, and hes a good coach, but way I look at it is, look what hes done hes turned teams around that sucked into power football teams. He may like to talk alot but name a coach that doesnt and i can name 10 that will.

**CatDawg** · 11-04-2005, 04:30 PM

Great coach but i think Sugar wants to know if you thank he has any class.

Sugar Bear · 11-04-2005, 05:17 PM

yes i know he's a great football coach. does he show the same lack of respect to the other teams he coaches against, or does he reserve this mentality for ashland? ive heard that he applied for the head coaching job at ashland in 99. and holds a grudge for not getting the job. this may explain why he takes every opportunity to slander us today.

Matney's Prodigey · 11-04-2005, 05:22 PM

Sugar have you ever played for Jim Matney? Ever been to his house? Have you ever met the man outside of being on opposing sides of a football field or wrestling mat? My guess is no and you are upset that he has a winning record against your Tomcats.
As far as being classless, the same 00 game you speak of Sheldon Clark has 3rd and nearly 30 and he calls a run to keep the clock going. Is it his fault we get the first down? No. On the touchdown reverse you speak of. It was that kids first rushing touchdown of his career. Your right Matney should apoligize for letting a kid that well deserved the score his chance to shine. Matney may not be the coach you want by not beating your precious kitty-cats by low margins, but he is classy. The man takes care of his kids which is much more classy than some of the things Hall did to players in his time at Ashland. Maybe you should worry about your own team and coaches before pointing fingers everywhere else. I do not know if Ashland wore mud cleats, I do know they won so why do you even worry about it? It is obvious you do not know Jim Matney or you would not make such crude and idiotic statements. The man does have a winning record (3-2) against the self-proclaimed football rich Ashland Paul Blazer High School.
I also remember after SC beat APB in 02 all the Ashland fans crying about the field conditions in Inez, so I guess turn-about is fair play.

Matney's Prodigey · 11-04-2005, 05:24 PM

Sugar Bear Wrote:yes i know he's a great football coach. does he show the same lack of respect to the other teams he coaches against, or does he reserve this mentality for ashland? ive heard that he applied for the head coaching job at ashland in 99. and holds a grudge for not getting the job. this may explain why he takes every opportunity to slander us today.

He was asked to interview and did, but upon completion of theinterview backed out due to his connection to Martin County. Rumor said he was the front runner for the job untill deciding it was not for him, but I can not say that was entirley true. I do know he withdrew on his own terms and has no reason to hold a grudge.

Sugar Bear · 11-04-2005, 05:36 PM

well 3 to 2 record is something to write home about, secondly I dont cry about running up the score, the points scored in football game are just that. if your going to do it- do it dont take a knee on the two point conversion. what goes around comes around.third, idiotic is a word that usual reflects the user of the word.fourth on larry hall u got me i didnt want him when he came here he also was a man of little class. last but not least (field conditions)you could barely call that coal bucket a football field

**Tomcat68** · 11-04-2005, 05:57 PM

Getting a little heated in here boys. Let's limit the personal, no evidence to support claims, but feel free to continue with factual provable evidence. I enjoy reading this. No need for the word ignorant, we all know that Matney is not, and the evidence both of you have brought to this thread shows that neither of you are either. As for the "field conditions" in Inez, I think it wasn't so much the actual field itself, as opposed to how the team was treated there. We were denied locker rooms in '02 and were asked to get dressed for the game on the side of the road as fans passed.

Matney's Prodigey · 11-04-2005, 06:13 PM

The dressing on the side of the road was a miscomunicaton. The only place large enough to hold a team the size of Ashland's was the gym. We gave word they would have to go across the road to get dressed. Our locker rooms at the field could just not accomidate a team of that size.
A coal bucket? The field is quite possibly one of the worst in the state, and at that time was probabley worse than it is now, but that has nothing to do with Jim Matney. You said he complained of mud cleats and field conditions, and I was simply showing that alot of other coaches complain about the field. Just because he complains of poor field conditions does not make him classless or nearly every football coach is classless was the only point I was trying to make with that statment.
The reasoning for the knee on the 2 point conversion was he didn't want to run up the score. He did want to reward one of his kids with his first rushing touchdown which I completley understand, and instead of scoring any more ponits he decided to take a knee on the conversion. If he wanted to run up the score he would have punched it in, but he didn't want to. He was only taking care of his kids. Surley you can see how that makes sense.

**Tomcat68** · 11-04-2005, 06:36 PM

The only problem with the gym was that the team tried to go there and the doors were locked. Ashland then contacted some sort of personel for Sheldon Clark and mentioned how they were supposed to use the gym to dress before the game and the personel Ashland spoke with said there was nobody there that could unlock the doors in a reasonable time frame. This forced Ashland to make due with dressing on the side of the road.

Matney's Prodigey · 11-04-2005, 06:59 PM

Like I said, it was a lack of communication by school officals, but you can hardley hold that against Jim Matney. He had to be prepared to make sure his team was ready. Someone at SC should hadtaken care of it tho, but hard to blame Matney IMO.

**CatDawg** · 11-04-2005, 07:18 PM

Agree its hard to blame anyone person for such a thing but Matney was the head of the football program and this was dealing with a football game so I to would blame the coach. Whether he was directly responsible or not it falls on his shoulders. Not saying that it was meant to be done just the fact that it happened. And this doesn't mean he has no class either just that he in my eyes would be the one I would hold responsible.

sportwhiz · 11-04-2005, 08:18 PM

I've known Coach Matney for about 15 years. We're not best friends or anything like that. I never played for him. But, I think the guy has a lot of class. I know every kid that has played for him loves him to death. I think JCHS is very lucky to have him.

**I was the greatest** · 11-04-2005, 09:11 PM

Sugar Bear Wrote:well 3 to 2 record is something to write home about, secondly I dont cry about running up the score, the points scored in football game are just that. if your going to do it- do it dont take a knee on the two point conversion. what goes around comes around.third, idiotic is a word that usual reflects the user of the word.fourth on larry hall u got me i didnt want him when he came here he also was a man of little class. last but not least (field conditions)you could barely call that coal bucket a football field

ok i have said this at least a hundreds of time matney's prodigy know anythng and everything about football so idiotic does not reflect the one who says it
mark my word he will be a head coach in eastern ky and will also hold winning records versus almost every team that he will oppose.
with that said matney is a good man very much a class act and thinks of everyone
and the coal bucket is the not the name the name is "The Rock" and anyone who has played there knows that is not just describing the field but that is describing what opposing teams hit when they step on the field against any sheldon clark team only these rocks hit back and hard!

Sincerly,
I was the Greatest
A.K.A Card 59

**crazytaxidriver** · 11-05-2005, 12:05 AM

I was the greatest Wrote:ok i have said this at least a hundreds of time matney's prodigy know anythng and everything about football so idiotic does not reflect the one who says it
mark my word he will be a head coach in eastern ky and will also hold winning records versus almost every team that he will oppose.
with that said matney is a good man very much a class act and thinks of everyone
and the coal bucket is the not the name the name is "The Rock" and anyone who has played there knows that is not just describing the field but that is describing what opposing teams hit when they step on the field against any sheldon clark team only these rocks hit back and hard!

Sincerly,
I was the Greatest
A.K.A Card 59

This thread wasn't asking whether or not Matney's Prodigy was goin to be a coach or not. And I don't think anyone knows anything and Everything about anything..

I do agree however that idiotic doesn't always reflect the person who says it...

But the thing is this thread was someone's opinion on a public figure.. There is no need for name calling though.. Most of us on here are adults. So let's try to act like it.

I have never met Coach Matney. But i agree that he should have helped make accomodations for the other team. If it was a simple mistake the so be it. Things happen.

As for the fields.. SC has quite possible the worst field i've ever seen.. I went to a fair there one time, and tripped on a rock and though i broke my freaking leg.. So I could just imagine how the people feel when they play football there. Once again that's not entirely the coach's fault but surely to god he could fight to get it fixed..

All coached to weird things sometimes.. But that's no reason to jump all over them and call them classless.. So let's keep this thread clean, and tasteful.. Everyone has an opinion, and since this site is free and based on opinions, don't get pissed off when someone disagrees with you..

and i'm not trying to call you out by quoting your post.. Just picked a few points in it..

Since i've never met the man, i haven't got an opinion on him.. But i do have one thing to say.. He is trying to do away with the apple bowl..IMO. that is stupid.. Paintsville isn't a very big town, and that is something that people look forward too.. I'm not sure what the overall record of each team is, but that's a rivalry game like none other, why would you want to do away with it?

Apparently he thinks that P'ville will never be able to compete with J.C. now.. and i think that is a load of shit..

**CatDawg** · 11-05-2005, 12:11 AM

I thank that about sums it up CTD.

**I was the greatest** · 11-05-2005, 12:19 AM

i don't know his reasoning for doing away with the apple bowl but he is probably just trying to get another team on the schedule that will help them prepare for later in the year

**I was the greatest** · 11-05-2005, 12:22 AM

and as for the comment about matneys prodigy i was taking up for one of my best friends
the comment about idiotic was a shot at him
i was just saying that he is anything but idiotic

**Tomcat68** · 11-05-2005, 12:31 AM

Your friend first called someone else idiotic though. That in itself is an idiotic move. The retaliation to it is also not the best thing to do, but both happened so let it go. It is clear that Matney has done many "shady" things that seem to occur when he plays Ashland. That is clear and simple fact and nobody is arguing that point and that was the point stated by the thread starter. Let's stick to that topic.

**I was the greatest** · 11-05-2005, 12:34 AM

there is just sometimes bad blood between teams
it happens and what goes around always comes around that is just the game but as long as they let it go till the next time and leave it on the field it is all good that is what makes rivalries

**CatDawg** · 11-05-2005, 12:37 AM

I think we all have made our feeling known on the subject and I can't see anything new that can really be added to either side to clear this question up. I think the thread as ran its course.