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12-28-2008, 11:16 PM
Congrats to the Tigers on their 2nd consecutive win of the season. These guys are very young and are only going to improve. I know it will be a long season, but even last years regional champs didn't start out with a very good record. I'm not saying this group will be that good in a year or two, but these guys are going to only get better.
Congrats and keep up the hard work!!
Congrats and keep up the hard work!!
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12-29-2008, 12:24 AM
Way to go Tigers! Good luck Friday at SC!
12-29-2008, 12:54 AM
This is the 3rd game I have watched the Tigers play and I have to say I am very impressed with this young group of kids. They were without one of their big men in this PIT and they still pulled it together and once again impressed me. I am not from Johnson Co. or have never been a Paintsville fan unless they won the 15th. But this little team has my attention. The smallest and youngest in the 15th and plays with more power and heart then any team I have ever seen. THUMBS UP to the young TIGERS you have a fan that will follow you from here on out. I have a love for the game and this bunch of kids do too!! I look forward to your future
12-29-2008, 06:36 AM
baller#21 Wrote:Pike Central is down this year. Haven't watched Paintsville play any but congratulations on the win
No the talent is there its just not being utilized in the correct way. By no means is this a only 2 win team thus far this season. They have the talent to be very succesful but untill things are changed with in their system they will continue to struggle and be sub par.
12-29-2008, 08:01 AM
15thRegionSlamaBamma Wrote:No the talent is there its just not being utilized in the correct way. By no means is this a only 2 win team thus far this season. They have the talent to be very succesful but untill things are changed with in their system they will continue to struggle and be sub par.
You and I aren't seeing the same team then. It looks to me like they have 2 basketball players-Thompson & McCoy and #23 isn't bad either. The rest have some athletic ability, but are definitely lacking in basketball skill and moxy/knowledge of the game. The difference I see from them and Paintsville is that Paintsville is much more disciplined and coachable. The coach from PCC is telling them the right things, they just don't/can't always do those things. And my gosh PCC, learn to play defense without fouling! Why foul when you are 13-14 down with as man y seconds to go? That's just dumb.
12-29-2008, 01:14 PM
A little suprised by this score, looks like Paintsville's Coach Ratliff is a solid replacment for Bill Mike, still hated seeing him go though.
12-29-2008, 05:48 PM
ukbadmammajamma Wrote:You and I aren't seeing the same team then. It looks to me like they have 2 basketball players-Thompson & McCoy and #23 isn't bad either. The rest have some athletic ability, but are definitely lacking in basketball skill and moxy/knowledge of the game. The difference I see from them and Paintsville is that Paintsville is much more disciplined and coachable. The coach from PCC is telling them the right things, they just don't/can't always do those things. And my gosh PCC, learn to play defense without fouling! Why foul when you are 13-14 down with as man y seconds to go? That's just dumb.
I can tell you now there is one kid on that team who is a freshman who sees NO time on the floor and is better then two guards who play the majority of the game. How do you not play a kid who in the past 3 JV games has put up over 30 points. I would rather have a freshman who is going to turn the ball over 4 or 5 times, and have him grow into a phenominal player to the likes of Shawn Scott which he has the potential. Rather than play a JR or SR the enitre game who take questionable shots, does not play good defense and does not run an offesnsive set. Phillip, David and I were all sitting together at this game. As we watched we were all talking about past teams of Pike Central. To be honest Phillip and David are the ones who pointed out the talent of this team. It all starts with how practices are conducted. A player with talent is not going to look very good when they are not taught anything. I would say with the old coaching staff, David Rowe and Phillip working together could lead this team to 14 winnable games. While right now they are looking at having the WORST record in school history. Its not all the players, alot of it has to come down to the coaching. Another question, in the third quarter Pike Central played defensivly a full court 2-2-1 first pass denial press. After the first pass the would drop into a contain trapping in the corners and it allowed them to cut the lead to 2 and eventually taking the lead. Then you take them out of the press and allow Paintsville to set up into a half court set. As you have seen and I have as well. Pike Central plays much better in an up-tempo game which is why they were able to come back in the 3rd. They have NO offensive production in the half court game. Mainly because they run Davids old offense and its not being ran right. Such as the 2 guard cutter and flex. IDK this team has talent and has potential but it is not showing due to something just not sure what that is right now.
12-29-2008, 05:58 PM
Good Win For The Young Tiger!!!
12-29-2008, 07:39 PM
If you are a true lover of the game of basketball then you will really like to watch this scrappy group of tigers. How could anyone expect anything after losing so many great players. Watching them yesterday gave me some chills to see how hard they were playing. It was also very impressive to see how every player was hanging on every word their coach said. Call me crazy but if I was in the 57th I would be careful, very careful when playing this group at the end of the year. It was also very refreshing to see high school players say yes sir or no sir to their coach. Very hard not to be excited about their future.
12-29-2008, 09:21 PM
15thRegionSlamaBamma, it is so very easy to be a coach from the bleachers!! One thing for sure, you DO NOT win any games from the bleachers and you also DO NOT lose any games from the bleachers! I was also in the bleachers when Pike Central played Paintsville (the only game I have seen them play this year). I sat behind the Pike Central bench and I can tell you they were well coached. These players did not want to be told what to do, they did not listen, and they definitely did not do as they were told. It was like their body was there in the gym but their mind was some place else. They do have some players with talent, but you also have to have the desire to win and these boys do not have this. Sounds like you want to go back to the questionable "Good Ol Days", get over it, Time moves on!! Also sounds like you are from this school or at least you have some ties to it. Why are you and others trying to tear it down - why not support your school and team to make it better?
12-29-2008, 09:59 PM
Congrats Paintsville
12-29-2008, 10:35 PM
nice win for the Tigers, congrats!
12-29-2008, 11:47 PM
15thRegionSlamaBamma Wrote:I can tell you now there is one kid on that team who is a freshman who sees NO time on the floor and is better then two guards who play the majority of the game. How do you not play a kid who in the past 3 JV games has put up over 30 points. I would rather have a freshman who is going to turn the ball over 4 or 5 times, and have him grow into a phenominal player to the likes of Shawn Scott which he has the potential. Rather than play a JR or SR the enitre game who take questionable shots, does not play good defense and does not run an offesnsive set. Phillip, David and I were all sitting together at this game. As we watched we were all talking about past teams of Pike Central. To be honest Phillip and David are the ones who pointed out the talent of this team. It all starts with how practices are conducted. A player with talent is not going to look very good when they are not taught anything. I would say with the old coaching staff, David Rowe and Phillip working together could lead this team to 14 winnable games. While right now they are looking at having the WORST record in school history. Its not all the players, alot of it has to come down to the coaching. Another question, in the third quarter Pike Central played defensivly a full court 2-2-1 first pass denial press. After the first pass the would drop into a contain trapping in the corners and it allowed them to cut the lead to 2 and eventually taking the lead. Then you take them out of the press and allow Paintsville to set up into a half court set. As you have seen and I have as well. Pike Central plays much better in an up-tempo game which is why they were able to come back in the 3rd. They have NO offensive production in the half court game. Mainly because they run Davids old offense and its not being ran right. Such as the 2 guard cutter and flex. IDK this team has talent and has potential but it is not showing due to something just not sure what that is right now.
Coach Thompson tried playing the kid against Jenkins. He had a total of 11 turnovers of the quarter and a half he played. Ive watched a bunch of JV games and he might average 8-10 ppg. I was told the kid got his dad to ask the coach for him to play varsity. PC has an outstanding freshmen team. 2 good guards, a shooter, and that one new transfer who ive never seen before and can just about do it all. So he needs to be focusing on helping them out for when his upperclassmen time comes to be the real deal of the region. I went to the game vs. Pikeville and it appears to me that their a much better team than Pikeville. Losing in Overtime by 3 cause he didnt pass the ball in a fast break at the end of regulation. If Mark Thompson would practice the team right he could win some games. His lineup is strong and can shoot and dribble very very well. #15 Hobo McCoy can shoot, dribble, and penitrate well. #24 Michael Boyd Thompson can do the same, so can #22 Dieb Gross and #23 Jimmy Meade. Their #32 Center Dalton Meade could use some work but hes getting better. If they had a Devan Adams type center they could cream the whole state. Its a mirror reflection of Shelby Valley, just not as much height but all good guards. IMO Mark Thompson needs to make the boys practice right. Such as drills and live ball. The thing thats killing them the most is their defense. He should schedule Pikeville College to come practice with them and let the bears run their offense the whole time against man to man defense. Ive walked in and watched a practice before and all i saw was blue vs. white scrimmaging, running ALOT (which is good) and running plays. Of course the freshmen are on the sidelines doing nothing. I dont even know why he keeps them in there bored. Let them have their own practices, they dont need to be on the varsity level yet. Especially the ones that dont even play JV. If he'd add game situations, clear the gym of distractions, such as waiting cheerleaders and freshmen, and really work the boys the whole practice. Just not defensive slides, foul shots, running and scrimmaging. 2-10 = worst record PC has ever had. What im trying to say is that he has the perfect group of boys right in his hands and he needs to get their heads out of their butts and play some basketball. Cause if he doesnt it looks as if it will be rough until the Freshmen become Seniors. Pike Central also has one of the worst school spirit programs i have ever seen. They have about 15 kids come for the student section. It used be packed every game when they were good. Such as the night they set the record for orange painted bodies. I bet half the school doesnt even know its basketball season. I mean theres no announcements about the games i am told, and he hasnt even had 1 single pep rally this year. He might before district when its too late though...
12-30-2008, 02:26 AM
mullinstiger55 Wrote:Coach Thompson tried playing the kid against Jenkins. He had a total of 11 turnovers of the quarter and a half he played. Ive watched a bunch of JV games and he might average 8-10 ppg. I was told the kid got his dad to ask the coach for him to play varsity. PC has an outstanding freshmen team. 2 good guards, a shooter, and that one new transfer who ive never seen before and can just about do it all. So he needs to be focusing on helping them out for when his upperclassmen time comes to be the real deal of the region. I went to the game vs. Pikeville and it appears to me that their a much better team than Pikeville. Losing in Overtime by 3 cause he didnt pass the ball in a fast break at the end of regulation. If Mark Thompson would practice the team right he could win some games. His lineup is strong and can shoot and dribble very very well. #15 Hobo McCoy can shoot, dribble, and penitrate well. #24 Michael Boyd Thompson can do the same, so can #22 Dieb Gross and #23 Jimmy Meade. Their #32 Center Dalton Meade could use some work but hes getting better. If they had a Devan Adams type center they could cream the whole state. Its a mirror reflection of Shelby Valley, just not as much height but all good guards. IMO Mark Thompson needs to make the boys practice right. Such as drills and live ball. The thing thats killing them the most is their defense. He should schedule Pikeville College to come practice with them and let the bears run their offense the whole time against man to man defense. Ive walked in and watched a practice before and all i saw was blue vs. white scrimmaging, running ALOT (which is good) and running plays. Of course the freshmen are on the sidelines doing nothing. I dont even know why he keeps them in there bored. Let them have their own practices, they dont need to be on the varsity level yet. Especially the ones that dont even play JV. If he'd add game situations, clear the gym of distractions, such as waiting cheerleaders and freshmen, and really work the boys the whole practice. Just not defensive slides, foul shots, running and scrimmaging. 2-10 = worst record PC has ever had. What im trying to say is that he has the perfect group of boys right in his hands and he needs to get their heads out of their butts and play some basketball. Cause if he doesnt it looks as if it will be rough until the Freshmen become Seniors. Pike Central also has one of the worst school spirit programs i have ever seen. They have about 15 kids come for the student section. It used be packed every game when they were good. Such as the night they set the record for orange painted bodies. I bet half the school doesnt even know its basketball season. I mean theres no announcements about the games i am told, and he hasnt even had 1 single pep rally this year. He might before district when its too late though...
ok you make the argument of the kid not being very good by having 11 TOs when he played. However you have proven my point later on in your post. How can you expect a FRESHMAN with great talent get any better when he is not allowed to do anything.
12-30-2008, 01:38 PM
15thRegionSlamaBamma Wrote:ok you make the argument of the kid not being very good by having 11 TOs when he played. However you have proven my point later on in your post. How can you expect a FRESHMAN with great talent get any better when he is not allowed to do anything.
He can get better by playing JV maybe. But when ur 15 and weigh 150 playing against seniors who weigh 215+, youd get out powerd down low especially. Im stopping right here cause its about PC and Paintsville. If we want to go talk about freshmen skills we should start another thread.
12-30-2008, 02:54 PM
mullinstiger55 Wrote:He can get better by playing JV maybe. But when ur 15 and weigh 150 playing against seniors who weigh 215+, youd get out powerd down low especially. Im stopping right here cause its about PC and Paintsville. If we want to go talk about freshmen skills we should start another thread.
the kids not a post player...
12-30-2008, 05:39 PM
15thRegionSlamaBamma Wrote:the kids not a post player...
It doesn't matter, if you are a point guard you drive to the basket quite often if im watching the correct sport. Last time i checked thats where the post players stay.
12-30-2008, 07:15 PM
Coach Ratliff and his youngsters are on the right track. Great job against PCC. I think they will give Sheldon Clark all they want Friday night. Everyone is proud of this entire group.
12-30-2008, 10:05 PM
Joker Wrote:It's kind of funny, when the Tigers are losing, there are not post for them. Now that they have won 2 games, there is lots to say. People, you need to be a fan winning or losing.
Not really man, I mean what do you want Tiger fans to do when the Tigers lose by 15 or 30 points, get on here and start a thread and say great game? The Tiger fans support their team, but when you lose, it's up to the opposing team's fans to start a thread, which most of the victors over Paintsville this season so far have not done.
This group of kids are in for a long year, but they are hard workers and they will be a team that no opponent should overlook in the 57th come tournament time. Keep working hard and it will come together Tigers!
12-30-2008, 11:05 PM
mullinstiger55 Wrote:It doesn't matter, if you are a point guard you drive to the basket quite often if im watching the correct sport. Last time i checked thats where the post players stay.
Also if you're making that argument then it is still not relevant, because McCoy and Jimmy are just as small as him if not smaller. Fact is he would be a threat if the would practice the freshman, and as a few have said Thompson does not allow them to do hardly anything. Not saying he needs to start or play a ton of minutes but use him and coach him to make better discissons you know.
12-30-2008, 11:29 PM
Congrats Tigers. Great game Josh Green. I bet you the eagles wish they had you.
12-31-2008, 12:54 AM
Buckeye's4Life Wrote:Congrats Tigers. Great game Josh Green. I bet you the eagles wish they had you.
True that. I listened to PIT and I bet the eagles wish they had both transfers back. Caldwell took over the Jenkins game and played well throughout, tough defensive player according to the radio. And Green, well, the stats speak for themselves. Why do us eagles always lose the good ones. From the sounds of tonights game we could have used them both.
12-31-2008, 01:53 AM
warner Wrote:True that. I listened to PIT and I bet the eagles wish they had both transfers back. Caldwell took over the Jenkins game and played well throughout, tough defensive player according to the radio. And Green, well, the stats speak for themselves. Why do us eagles always lose the good ones. From the sounds of tonights game we could have used them both.
I believe most of the team is transfers.
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